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  • galanolwe
    Somewhere I read that Steiner believed we would evolve beyond what we are now to a demi-angelic-like being, and that this evolution would not be in the usual,
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      Somewhere I read that Steiner believed we would evolve beyond what we are now to a demi-angelic-like being, and that this evolution would not be in the usual, gradual Darwinian sense, but much quicker. I'm looking for that discussion by Steiner.

      --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "carol" <organicethics@...> wrote:
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      > Olwe wrote: "... So, again, which Steiner should I read to
      > understand his sentient evolution theories?"
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      > Hi Olwe, the terminology you employed is a little 'out of line' with
      > what Steiner used – I'm guessing through your use of the term
      > 'sentient evolution theory' you are meaning a human
      > historical/evolutionary decoding which relies to a certain extent on
      > image 'reality' and which is generally characterized by being both
      > 'felt' at the same time as 'understood'.
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      > The human ability to decode historic facts in the above described manner
      > is not exactly called 'sentient' in Anthroposophical terminology.
      > 'Sentient' normally presupposes that a certain amount of
      > 'sentimentality' and that these both remain exclusive to what's called
      > the 'astral body' or 'feeling body' if you will.
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      > A living individual who strives to consciously balance both 'feeling'
      > and 'cognition' in their personal view of the world ( ex.
      > well-balanced sentient and intellectual perceiving ) would equally
      > reveal of him/her self a deeply-set 'will' to view the world through
      > something of a distinctly 'new lens' which, in itself, strives towards
      > a higher form of personal/soul objectivity.
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      > This phenomena is 'witness' to the fact that the 'consciousness soul'
      > is making it's headways into actual world becoming.
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      > Olwe, is it possible that you might be looking for a 'consciousness
      > soul' depiction of 'aspects' to world evolution ?
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      > At the Rudolf Steiner Archives web site, I typed in "world
      > evolution world becoming" a put it through a search.
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      > PS. don't expect to obtain results to the notion of 'theory'...
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      > In the volume: Occult Science – An outline , there are 7 chapters
      > reserved for discussion on:
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      > V Man and the Evolution of the World
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      > http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA013/English/RSP1969/GA013_index.html
      > <http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA013/English/RSP1969/GA013_index.html>
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      >
      > Hope this helps out a little, Olwe.
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      > Summer greetings, carol.
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      > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "galanolwe" <galanolwe@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Okay, I'm getting back to you ... although the Links section was a bit
      > confusing. My motivation to learn about Steiner was a hunch I had about
      > Tolkien's writings. I had a Cliff Notes understanding of Steiner and I
      > had the hunch that Tolkien must have been exposed to Steiner. Lo and
      > behold, one of his Inklings friends was a Steiner-Anhaenger and preached
      > the Steiner gospel to him and Lewis, Williams. Specifically, I feel that
      > his description of Elves is somehow on track with what I understand
      > about Steiner's thoughts on human evolution, that is, that we are not
      > necessarily held to just the "usual" evolution, which takes hundreds of
      > thousands, millions of years.
      > >
      > > Did Steiner believe that all life is evolving towards higher
      > sentience/state-of-being? I believe it is. My theory is based on the
      > fact that examples of curiosity are rampant throughout the animal world.
      > That is to say, animals exhibit curiosity beyond any normal
      > biology-Darwinian explanation. To me curiosity is the gateway to higher
      > sentience and agape.
      > >
      > > So, again, which Steiner should I read to understand his sentient
      > evolution theories?
      > >
      > > Olwe
      > > Grand Marais, MN
      > >
      > > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, Durward Starman DrStarman@ wrote:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > *******Welcome to our group. Perhaps next post you could tell us
      > your name? ;-)
      > > >
      > > > How to start into anthroposophy is a big topic because there
      > are so many ways to begin. Many people are first drawn to the Waldorf
      > Schools, and then find anthroposophy from that; or the anthroposophic
      > medicine, or the arts like Eurythmy, or through the new form of
      > astrology we practice, called "astrosophy", etc. But what anthroposophy
      > is, is a scientific approach to developing clairvoyance or psychic
      > ability, and it was spread by Dr. Steiner through carefully-written
      > books, which serve as tools of initiation, replacing the "guru" who used
      > to personally guide one. He gave thousands of lectures (most of the
      > "books" you seee listed with Steiner as author are actually transcripts
      > of groups of lectures), and personally worked with hundreds of people,
      > who had read his books first. You can find a document written by me
      > outlining what's in the basic books in the Files section of our group.
      > Among them are Theosophy, Knowledge of the Higher Worlds, Cosmic Memory
      > and An Outline of Occult Science. In the last two books he describes the
      > past and future of the earth and mankind, and indeed depicts how we once
      > were in a state of consciousness like the present-day animal, and will
      > one day advance to that of the angels and further. The angelic beings,
      > in fact, passed through a human stage already, and the animals will pass
      > through one in the future.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Starman
      > > >
      > > > www.DrStarman.com
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      > > >
      > > > To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
      > > > From: galanolwe@
      > > > Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:11:36 +0000
      > > > Subject: [steiner] Newbie Questions
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      > > >
      > > > Hello, just joined, first post...
      > > >
      > > > What would be a good first read to understand R. Steiner and
      > Anthroposophy? Also, I've heard that Steiner believed the human would
      > evolve into a more angel- or (Tolkien) Elf-like state of higher
      > sentience. Have I heard correctly?
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