RE: [steiner] RE: RS re true internationalism
- *******Well, I have no idea what the 'WC' is, who an anthroposophical 'Judas' is, and I'm willing to bet no one else in this list does. It illustrates what I mean by not cross-posting: sounds like any healthy approach to the science of the spirit has been poisoned in some places on the internet by strange fixed opinions. You'd have to explain what the devil they (and you) are talking about for anyone sane to follow, since none of that has any relation to the study of Steiner, the practice of anthroposophy in the arts, schools, etc.
Look, we're a tiny movement that most people could care less about. If we can be made to seem like a wierdo cult, people might listen --- but then they'd say, "Well what have these people done?" "Start schools, farms with their kooky ideas." "Yawn." I don't think anyone's going to succeed in enflaming public opinion against us easily. If people hadn't sought government money for Waldorf schools we wouldn't have anyone ranting about us maybe being a cult. But one of the 6 preparatory exercises is courage, not listening to fear. Responding to slander is important, but not letting evil people determine your attitude.
>>It's not really worth paying attention to exceptas a symptom of the 'politics of personal
destruction' practiced these days ----don't debate
a person's ideas, imply they're a 'Nazi', a
'racist', etc. and that will dispose of them to
the ignorant--- but when Steiner is slandered, we
as anthroposophists are required to respond.
There's lots more that could be quoted to refute
this libel, but I wanted to make it clear there
aren't lots of people talking about this
accusation, it's the creation of a few with an
axe to grind.<<
I was alluding mainly to the “talk” in the Yahoo
groups such as the WC, much of which has spilled
over into the Anthro groups, thanks in part to
Tom. But I was also alluding to the wider world,
both cyberspace and meatspace. I gather, again
from Tom in part, that there is plenty of such
talk over in Europe, especially Germany. And, as
you probably know, in much of Europe, especially
Germany, accusations of “racism” can have serious
And I think it would be a mistake to assume that
all the people doing that “talking” don’t “know”
or haven’t “studied” Steiner, in the ordinary
sense. Some of the people over in the WC have
obviously read a lot of Steiner, probably more
than have most Anthros. I look in over there once
in a while, and I keep seeing Steiner-saids that I
hadn’t seen before. And now we have our self-
proclaimed Anthro “Judas”, who seems to know his
way around in Anthro circles in the US, and
apparently also in Europe..
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- To Starman, who wrote:
>>Well, I have no idea what the 'WC' is . . ..<<
Gee, I thought everyone on the Anthro Net knew
about the WC. That means the "Waldorf Critics"
e-list (a.k.a. *The Hole*, *The Snake Nest*):
It's an e-arm of PLANS ("People for Legal and
Non-sectarian Schools"), an anti-Waldorf (and
anti-Anthro) group based in the California Bay
Area, but active in a much wider area. They
make trouble for Waldorf schools in this
country, and their like-minded affiliates
(formal or informal) in Europe do pretty much
the same over there.
>>. . . . who an anthroposophical 'Judas' is,and I'm willing to bet no one else in this list
But someone else here does indeed. I was
thinking maybe he would rise to the bait and
own up, but apparently he's not . . . so . . .
I was referring to Tom Mellett (a.k.a. *Father
Tom, Judas Priest*), an fringe participant with
the WC and like e-endeavors in Germany. (He is
fluent in German.) I quote him from another
Yahoo Anthro e-list (public archives):
"In other words, before you have resurrection,
ya gotta have death. Now what I see dying is
not the MOVEMENT of anthroposophy, but the
Society, all the external forms that
anthroposphy has taken since Steiner died ---
those that are beholden to the old forms. . . .
That's what has to die and if it refuses to
die, then the next best thing is to betray it.
Hence my augmented title of Father Tom Judas
Priest. If ya can't kill it, then betray it!"
>>Look, we're a tiny movement that most peoplecould care less about. If we can be made to
seem like a wierdo cult, people might listen --
- but then they'd say, "Well what have these
people done?" "Start schools, farms with their
kooky ideas." "Yawn." I don't think anyone's
going to succeed in enflaming public opinion
The WC and PLANS are making a pretty good run
at it. And probably more so are their cohorts
in some parts of Europe, where Anthroposophy is
more known, and where there are more legal
weapons to use against it. Tom could tell you
a lot more about what's going on over there.
>>If people hadn't sought government money forWaldorf schools we wouldn't have anyone ranting
about us maybe being a cult.<<
I'm not very familiar with the ongoing
practical side of Waldorf, but I'm aware that
there is a division of opinion about seeking
gov't funds. The purists say, "No, no, never;
Steiner said . . . ." But the compromisers try
to adapt to the reality that most people simply
can't afford private education are their
children are trapped in the public schools.
And in some countries "private education" as we
have it in the US is not legally possible.
But whatever the Waldorf movement does or
doesn't do, we can be assured that
Anthroposophy will have active and dedicated