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Re: Alleged Steiner Rosicrucian "Transmission"

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  • Mathew Morrell
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      ** Aren't Masons the ones that ride around in little cars during
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      --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "fratermaui" <fratermaui@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > Dear List
      >
      > I received quite a bashing here when I said that Steiner created a
      > masonic lodge and that it still continued to operate. People here
      > either didnt want to know, said Steiner was never a member or
      worked
      > any such lodge and called me a liar. Now while I did make several
      > mistakes concerning some details I´ve since compared the oral
      > teachings of our lodge with those that still exist in Germany and
      > others and have formed a better picture of what happened through
      the
      > transmission of his masonic rituals to us. It was Theodore Ruess
      that
      > gave Steiner the authority to work the masonic rite, however
      Steiner
      > took no authority from him and changed the ritauls, for example the
      > second degree contains Lucifer and Ahriman. Now while I havent read
      > this book here it is given for those who simply told me to get lost
      > and said that no such rituals from Stiener ever existed. This book
      > proves that wrong and also in the reveiws shows that lodges in both
      > Germany and New Zealand still exist and another in Sweden.
      >
      > See http://www.amazon.com/Freemasonry-Ritual-Work-Documents-
      Cognitive-
      > Ritual/dp/0880106123 to find out more about Steiners Masonic school
      >
      > in LVX Frater Maui
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, DoctorStarman@ wrote:
      > >
      > > In a message dated 5/8/2005 11:20:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
      > > fraterm@ writes:
      > >
      > > > No Pierre, we are quite aware of Steiner’s take on secret
      > orders and the
      > > > such as after he left the order he did indeed reject the
      society
      > and would have
      > > > nothing to do with it and Pat Z should have some references to
      > that. Again
      > > > its only given for historical reference, I’m not sure if the
      > title Supreme
      > > > Magus is correct as they had another name for it also (ie
      another
      > language) but
      > > > SM is the standard to describe the head of an order. Waite left
      > too many
      > > > references to Steiner being in this society for a time and he
      was
      > in just about
      > > > every society during his era and knew everyone’s going on’s
      > quite well. The
      > > > order that Steiner chaired when Felkin arrived was also an
      > umbrella group, it
      > > > will again drive you nuts to hear that the Theosophical society
      > came under
      > > > its wings as well....
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      > > *******To assert that Madame Blavatsky's Theosophical Society,
      > which fought
      > > pitched battles with all Masonic-type groups for the same reason
      as
      > Steiner,
      > > that she believed that everything must be revealed openly----and
      > for which
      > > practice of revealing their secrets, Blavatsky herself suffered a
      > lot----shows even
      > > less understanding of it than of the Anthroposophical Society on
      > your part.
      > >
      > > There was no order Steiner was a head of which he later
      > rejected; he was
      > > a loner in the late 1890s in Berlin except for the many literary
      > figures he
      > > associated with. Neither he nor any of his biographers have ever
      > said anything
      > > about any Order. He described a SPIRITUAL being tutoring him at
      > this time, whom
      > > he called the Master.
      > >
      > > Once more, if you are interested in the study of Steiner and
      his
      > > anthroposophy you are welcome here. You are not, when you talk
      > about some stuff which
      > > is completely foreign to him and assert it was his source,
      implying
      > superior
      > > knowledge, which might account for not having heard one single
      > question from
      > > you. That would seem to indicate you just want to spam this list
      > with ads for
      > > your own list, which you are promoting by the aid of definite
      > falsehoods about
      > > Steiner. Stop these baseless assertions and show some interest in
      > what we're
      > > about or you will be removed.
      > >
      > > -starman
      > >
      > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > In LVX Samuel
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > From: steiner@yahoogroups.com [mailto:steiner@yahoogroups.com]
      On
      > Behalf Of
      > > > Pierre Gringoire
      > > > Sent: Monday, 9 May 2005 7:57 AM
      > > > To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Subject: Re: [steiner] Re: Alleged Steiner
      > Rosicrucian "Transmission"
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > I must say that I am in complete agreement with Sheila and Dr.
      > Starman. The
      > > > following is highly questionable:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > "In 1897 Rudolf Steiner travelled to Berlin to become Supreme
      > Magus over the
      > > > Grand Lodge there."
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > It is quite possible that the person using the
      pseudonym 'Frater
      > Maui' or
      > > > 'Samuel' is unaware of the contentious nature of these
      remarks.
      > If so, he
      > > > displays an ignorance of both Steiner and the circumstances of
      > his life. It
      > > > would be highly surprising if any genuine Rosicrucian Order
      would
      > fail to inform
      > > > its members exactly why such remarks are controversial. The
      > exact motive
      > > > behind this 'revelation' is as yet unclear.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Pierre Gringiore
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > > www.DrStarman.com
      > >
      >
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