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  • Durward Starman
    *******Well, the main anthroposophists I ve run into with loony conspiracy theories are here on the internet. If you re a parent in a Waldorf School and start
    Message 1 of 14 , Aug 2, 2007
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      *******Well, the main anthroposophists I've run into with loony conspiracy
      theories are here on the internet. If you're a parent in a Waldorf School
      and start going off the deep end with stuff like that, everyone will change
      the subject or leave you to argue with some drunks or something. ;->

      But it's certainly true that a lot of young people join bio-dynamic farms
      and similar things out of alienation and are often politically nut-jobs.

      I have never met an anti-Semitic anthroposophist, though. Quite the
      opposite, I've known many Jewish ones and others who made a special study of
      Judaism.

      Starman

      www.DrStarman.com





      >From: "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@...>
      >Reply-To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
      >To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [steiner] Re: Gulags for Anthros?
      >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:55:48 -0000
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >Mr. Mason wrote:
      >
      >
      >
      > > [The inner circle of New World Order] understand
      >
      > > that Anthroposophy is a serious obstacle to their
      >
      > > aims, however insignificant and muddled Anthropo-
      >
      > > sophists may appear to be on the physical plane.
      >
      > > [brackets mine]
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >I'll at least accept the possibility that you're seeing
      >something in the heart of Anthroposophists that I cannot see.
      >You're a bright person. Maybe you're right and Anthroposophy is
      >a world-force around the globe capable of intimidating the New World
      >Order. Where as I see a movement riddled with neurosis, I'm open to
      >the possibility that there is a silent majority out there that I
      >haven't encountered who have the spiritual wisdom to illuminate the
      >world. Maybe they're the ones capable of bringing a new vision of
      >Christ to the 21st century, as mainstream Christianity atrophies and
      >dies.
      >
      >
      >
      >That is the worst nightmare scenario of the New World Order---an
      >illuminated Christian Church, empowered by occultism, spiritualized by
      >God, saved by Jesus Christ, our Lord.
      >
      >
      >
      >When Anthroposophists are tired of dicking around with their asinine
      >conspiracy theories, their rabid anti-Semitism, and their sickening
      >hatred of the United States, wake me up and I'll pick up my sword.
      >Until then, you guys are on your own.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, Robert Mason <robertsmason_99@...>
      >wrote:
      > >
      > > To Mathew Morrell, who wrote:
      > >
      > > >>If they start censoring Steiner's lectures,
      > > don't fret. Start uploading his censored
      > > material onto the Internet---and those
      > > teachings, in turn, will become more available
      > > than they are now. In our time, the Internet is
      > > our greatest weapon against totalitarian
      > > control of ideas.<<
      > >
      > > Robert writes:
      > >
      > > Just about all of Steiner's writings and
      > > lectures are already on the Net in German, and
      > > a good deal of them in English at the eLib.
      > > But the would-be totalitarians are already
      > > exploring ways to shut down the Internet. So
      > > far, it seems, their main ploy has been to
      > > flood it with disinformation.
      > >
      > > Matthew wrote:
      > >
      > > >>. . . . Now, as far as "saving" Anthro from
      > > totalitarianism, that's kind of an oxymoron,
      > > isn't it? Maybe the Internet has warped my view
      > > of Anthroposophy as a whole, but I really don't
      > > see any major political conflicts arising
      > > anytime soon between the New World Order and
      > > Anthroposophy. Nor can I envision the average
      > > Anthroposophist being locked up in a re-
      > > education camp or a Gulag. In fact, I see the
      > > opposite occuring. The New World Order and the
      > > average Anthroposophist are in perfect
      > > agreement on so many issues (i.e. gun control,
      > > immigration, the Fairness Doctrine) that the
      > > two spheres almost seem to be an extension of
      > > one another. Anthroposophists should stop
      > > flattering themselves with the idea that
      > > they're radical intellectuals, when quite the
      > > opposite is true.<<
      > >
      > > Robert writes:
      > >
      > > That's an interesting perception of the
      > > "average" Anthro, and maybe you have more
      > > experience on which to base it than I have. I
      > > suppose to some extent, at least, it's true.
      > > Anthros are only people, and most people have
      > > the outlook that is normal in the society
      > > around them. When people come to Anthroposophy
      > > they usually bring some of the "normal"
      > > prejudices with them. It's an individual
      > > matter as to how much the encounter with
      > > Anthroposophy will make the Anthro into a
      > > "radical intellectual", to use your phrase.
      > >
      > > Nevertheless, Anthroposophy itself is very much
      > > at odds with the prevailing materialistic
      > > worldview, and those Powers That Be (those in
      > > the inner circles) know this fact very well,
      > > and they understand that Anthroposophy is a
      > > serious obstacle to their aims, however
      > > insignificant and muddled Anthroposophists may
      > > appear to be on the physical plane.
      > >
      > > Therefore, just having any connection with
      > > Anthroposophy might well put someone on the
      > > arrest list, or the extermination list.
      > > Picture this: The black-clad, ski-masked,
      > > body-armored SWAT team is kicking in the door,
      > > shooting the dog, and hauling the startled,
      > > unarmed Anthro into the paddy wagon. Do you
      > > suppose it would do him any good to protest,
      > > "No, no; I believe in open borders. I'm for
      > > gun control. I love the U.N., I really do." --
      > > ?Hm?? Do you think that the steroid-pumped
      > > HiGs would relent and release the "terrorist"?
      > > Or do you suppose that the magistrate, if there
      > > be any magistrates or *habeus corpus* left in
      > > the NWO, would appreciate the PC-ness of the
      > > "average Anthro" and let him go on his merry
      > > way?
      > >
      > > Maybe, maybe . . . . But maybe not. If the NWO
      > > comes down, is it gonna come down as hard as
      > > the Power That Be would like it to, or would
      > > there be some restraint? That's kinda the
      > > question I was asking, and asking whether
      > > traditional American respect for freedom would
      > > yet impose that restraint more than in Europe.
      > > But I don't much doubt that the Powers That Be
      > > would like to exterminate anyone who has any
      > > real appreciation of Anthroposophy.
      > >
      > > I appreciate your take on the "average" Anthro;
      > > I wonder whether anyone has taken a poll?
      > >
      > > Robert Mason
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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      >____________
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    • christopherraymond_bio
      Thanks Mathew. You know Canada has a Charter of Rights which grants less freedom than the Constitution. When I refer here to freedom, it is temporal freedom
      Message 2 of 14 , Aug 4, 2007
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        Thanks Mathew. You know Canada has a Charter of Rights which grants
        less freedom than the Constitution. When I refer here to freedom, it
        is temporal freedom and not 'true freedom' but basic regulation on
        what powers the government can act upon. So we can say that the
        Constitution is allowing the US government less authority than does
        the Canadian Charter of Rights. But today Canadians actually
        appear to have more freedom than do Americans. Europeans will not
        travel into America today and this must reflect something more than
        "Socialist" or "Republican", or "Libertarian", or even the
        Constitution.

        I recall Dr. Steiner making it clear how St. Germain opposed the
        French Revolution and how he felt that changes were not to be forced
        upon people through violence. I was born a rebel but my obligations
        are needed elsewhere, so i have done exactly what you said and I am
        behaving myself.

        I haven't read too much on Dr. Steiner's view of politics, business,
        banking or even spiritual socialism but I find that many socialists
        are acting like better 'free-market' business people than so-called
        republicans today. For example, the medi-care system is Canada is in
        shambles and our drugs are overpriced. And people attribute this to
        it being a socialist nation and having too much government
        involvement. However, when I compare it to the average cost of drugs
        sold in America, I wonder how those Republicans can be calling
        themselves anything other than "fascists"? For when business and
        government merge, to me this is a cartel, or fascism. Yet they still
        call themselves "Republicans" and know nothing of free-enterprise.
        When a so-called socialist sits down with me and discusses
        things, many Canadians are calling themselves this, they're often
        acting as better Republicans, such that the lines begin to blur and
        all that remains is their ability to understand "right and wrong" and
        not titles.

        Chris

        --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@...> wrote:
        >

        >
        > A lot of good thoughts there, Chris. You're a true rebel.
        >
        > I am myself a "light" socialist, and so therefore we might
        > differ in some areas concerning taxes and Constitutional law. But at
        > least it's good to find somebody in Anthroposophy who approaches
        > these issues from the standpoint of love, not hate, for America-Canada,
        > and that you're the type of person who would rather avoid violence
        > than create it un-necessarily. Both of us would rather see the
        > Reformation fought on the mental plane, through open debate and free
        > discussion rather than on the streets of our cities where we know who
        > the victor will be.
        >
        > The French Revolution was fought on the streets by peasants with pitch
        > forks, and it won them Napoleon. On a massive scale the working man
        > usurped the Romanov Russian Empire, and their blood gave them Lenin,
        > Trotsky and finally Stalin, who obliterated them all. The German beer
        > hall meetings of the 1920s led to Hitler. In each instance, good
        > intentions were hoped for by well-meaning people, but tyranny was all
        > that followed.
        >
        > For our Reformation to succeed it must not allow itself to be pulled
        > into the dark, turbid waters where nearly every revolution ends. Our
        > Reformation must imbue itself with clear thinking, direct motives, and
        > foresight to overcome the huge obstacles that lie ahead. Our revolution
        > must be fought from above, with Michael's divine assistance---or
        > else it is doomed to create ever-greater dimensions of tyranny.
        >
        > Therefore be a good boy, keep paying your taxes, stay out of jail, and
        > leave radical government reformations to the Christ impulse working
        > through our Time Spirit. He'll right the ship in ways that you or I
        > can't possibly imagine, if we work by His will, not by ours.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "christopherraymond_bio"
        > <christopherraymond_bio@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Dear Mathew,
        > >
        > > Dr. Steiner said there was a Conspiracy against the Holy Spirit and
        > > Christ. I believe that in order to have this come about, it is a
        > > required fact that some "spill over" into the material world as
        > > Conspiracies will appear. And I appreciate Robert's link on the
        > > revisionist history also, because even though I tend to keep these
        > > matters separate from spiritual ideas and concepts, they are often
        > > closely linked together.
        > >
        > > For example, I know this 'new' member of the Anthroposophical Movement
        > > who considered NOT paying income tax several years ago. He is aware
        > > that under International Admiralty Maritime Law or "Roman Cannot Law",
        > > or "law of the open waters", that contract provisions are in place
        > > that force "Citizens" to pay income tax. However under Common Law or
        > > Civil Law, which is based upon the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
        > > of America, or the Canadian Charter of Rights, there is NO LAW
        > > requiring one to pay income tax. To this VERY day, No-one can show
        > > YOU the law.
        > >
        > > Common law and Civil Law, which is really the "law of the land" is
        > > nearly the same in both Canada and in the "united states of America".
        > > Notice that the "UNITED STATES" is today spelled in 'CAPPS' as a
        > > corporation and this is not known to most people why that is so.
        > > However, to become a "non-citizen" and to return yourself to a
        > > sovereign American or Canadian, is not something that many people are
        > > knowledgeable enough to do. This has also much to do with why on the
        > > bottom of your birth certificate it now says, Canadian Bank Note, or
        > > Treasury Bond, in very tiny print. Even a soldier, or a GI, (as in
        > > GI-JOE) is short for "General Issue" or a "Bank Note". That is why,
        > > it was once optional to fill out an income tax form. Now it is
        > > illegal to file for an amount less than what the government assumes
        > > you made for that period on your income tax return. Keep in mind also,
        > > that not one penny of Income Tax goes toward paying off any debt, or
        > > to the poor, or even to the government! The Income Tax we pay goes
        > > straight into the hands of the type of dictators who the Founding
        > > Fathers opposed during the Revolution. They opposed it with blood. I
        > > do not want to see a Restoration occur in America; even the words of
        > > Edgar Cayce, were about protecting the Constitution of America and
        > > what happened in Germany will not happen in America.
        > >
        > > I recall the words of President George Washington regarding the
        > > colonists having gladly paid a few more pennies tax on tea but to be
        > > forced to pay an un-apportioned tax on your labor, and a tax without
        > > representation, is tyranny. It is a tax that Kings place upon
        > > servants and NOT free men.
        > >
        > > That person is me. I decided to look into this matter further and
        > > upon much reflection, I've decided I will keep paying income tax for
        > > now because the government is so corrupt and evil today, that they are
        > > not even following the very rules that they themselves put in place
        > > and used to follow. I could go on for days into more detail here but
        > > the point is, if they had a Trojan Horse in the days of Troy, or a
        > > back door, then how can we ignore having a decent firewall?
        > >
        > > Chris
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Mathew Morrell" tma4cbt@ wrote:
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Mr. Mason wrote:
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > [The inner circle of New World Order] understand
        > > >
        > > > > that Anthroposophy is a serious obstacle to their
        > > >
        > > > > aims, however insignificant and muddled Anthropo-
        > > >
        > > > > sophists may appear to be on the physical plane.
        > > >
        > > > > [brackets mine]
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > I'll at least accept the possibility that you're seeing
        > > > something in the heart of Anthroposophists that I cannot see.
        > > > You're a bright person. Maybe you're right and Anthroposophy is
        > > > a world-force around the globe capable of intimidating the New World
        > > > Order. Where as I see a movement riddled with neurosis, I'm open to
        > > > the possibility that there is a silent majority out there that I
        > > > haven't encountered who have the spiritual wisdom to illuminate the
        > > > world. Maybe they're the ones capable of bringing a new vision of
        > > > Christ to the 21st century, as mainstream Christianity atrophies and
        > > > dies.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > That is the worst nightmare scenario of the New World Order---an
        > > > illuminated Christian Church, empowered by occultism, spiritualized
        > by
        > > > God, saved by Jesus Christ, our Lord.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > When Anthroposophists are tired of dicking around with their asinine
        > > > conspiracy theories, their rabid anti-Semitism, and their sickening
        > > > hatred of the United States, wake me up and I'll pick up my sword.
        > > > Until then, you guys are on your own.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, Robert Mason <robertsmason_99@>
        > > > wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > To Mathew Morrell, who wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > >>If they start censoring Steiner's lectures,
        > > > > don't fret. Start uploading his censored
        > > > > material onto the Internet---and those
        > > > > teachings, in turn, will become more available
        > > > > than they are now. In our time, the Internet is
        > > > > our greatest weapon against totalitarian
        > > > > control of ideas.<<
        > > > >
        > > > > Robert writes:
        > > > >
        > > > > Just about all of Steiner's writings and
        > > > > lectures are already on the Net in German, and
        > > > > a good deal of them in English at the eLib.
        > > > > But the would-be totalitarians are already
        > > > > exploring ways to shut down the Internet. So
        > > > > far, it seems, their main ploy has been to
        > > > > flood it with disinformation.
        > > > >
        > > > > Matthew wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > >>. . . . Now, as far as "saving" Anthro from
        > > > > totalitarianism, that's kind of an oxymoron,
        > > > > isn't it? Maybe the Internet has warped my view
        > > > > of Anthroposophy as a whole, but I really don't
        > > > > see any major political conflicts arising
        > > > > anytime soon between the New World Order and
        > > > > Anthroposophy. Nor can I envision the average
        > > > > Anthroposophist being locked up in a re-
        > > > > education camp or a Gulag. In fact, I see the
        > > > > opposite occuring. The New World Order and the
        > > > > average Anthroposophist are in perfect
        > > > > agreement on so many issues (i.e. gun control,
        > > > > immigration, the Fairness Doctrine) that the
        > > > > two spheres almost seem to be an extension of
        > > > > one another. Anthroposophists should stop
        > > > > flattering themselves with the idea that
        > > > > they're radical intellectuals, when quite the
        > > > > opposite is true.<<
        > > > >
        > > > > Robert writes:
        > > > >
        > > > > That's an interesting perception of the
        > > > > "average" Anthro, and maybe you have more
        > > > > experience on which to base it than I have. I
        > > > > suppose to some extent, at least, it's true.
        > > > > Anthros are only people, and most people have
        > > > > the outlook that is normal in the society
        > > > > around them. When people come to Anthroposophy
        > > > > they usually bring some of the "normal"
        > > > > prejudices with them. It's an individual
        > > > > matter as to how much the encounter with
        > > > > Anthroposophy will make the Anthro into a
        > > > > "radical intellectual", to use your phrase.
        > > > >
        > > > > Nevertheless, Anthroposophy itself is very much
        > > > > at odds with the prevailing materialistic
        > > > > worldview, and those Powers That Be (those in
        > > > > the inner circles) know this fact very well,
        > > > > and they understand that Anthroposophy is a
        > > > > serious obstacle to their aims, however
        > > > > insignificant and muddled Anthroposophists may
        > > > > appear to be on the physical plane.
        > > > >
        > > > > Therefore, just having any connection with
        > > > > Anthroposophy might well put someone on the
        > > > > arrest list, or the extermination list.
        > > > > Picture this: The black-clad, ski-masked,
        > > > > body-armored SWAT team is kicking in the door,
        > > > > shooting the dog, and hauling the startled,
        > > > > unarmed Anthro into the paddy wagon. Do you
        > > > > suppose it would do him any good to protest,
        > > > > "No, no; I believe in open borders. I'm for
        > > > > gun control. I love the U.N., I really do." --
        > > > > ?Hm?? Do you think that the steroid-pumped
        > > > > HiGs would relent and release the "terrorist"?
        > > > > Or do you suppose that the magistrate, if there
        > > > > be any magistrates or *habeus corpus* left in
        > > > > the NWO, would appreciate the PC-ness of the
        > > > > "average Anthro" and let him go on his merry
        > > > > way?
        > > > >
        > > > > Maybe, maybe . . . . But maybe not. If the NWO
        > > > > comes down, is it gonna come down as hard as
        > > > > the Power That Be would like it to, or would
        > > > > there be some restraint? That's kinda the
        > > > > question I was asking, and asking whether
        > > > > traditional American respect for freedom would
        > > > > yet impose that restraint more than in Europe.
        > > > > But I don't much doubt that the Powers That Be
        > > > > would like to exterminate anyone who has any
        > > > > real appreciation of Anthroposophy.
        > > > >
        > > > > I appreciate your take on the "average" Anthro;
        > > > > I wonder whether anyone has taken a poll?
        > > > >
        > > > > Robert Mason
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > >
        > >
        >
        ________________________________________________________________________\
        > \
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        > > > Yahoo! FareChase.
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        > > >
        > >
        >
      • Mathew Morrell
        Generally speaking, political discussions are tolerated here, but not necessarily welcome. So few, if any, have resulted in anything positive or inspiring.
        Message 3 of 14 , Aug 4, 2007
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          Generally speaking, political discussions are tolerated here, but not
          necessarily welcome. So few, if any, have resulted in anything
          positive or inspiring. Mostly, political discussions have diverted
          from our central aim to delve into Rudolph Steiner's vision of
          spiritual science--- not to provide a forum to endlessly exercise our
          personal demons. Politics never seizes to drive wedges between
          people who would otherwise be friends.

          It is our semi-restriction on politics (especially America bashing)
          that makes this forum unique from every other Rudolph Steiner forum
          on the Internet. Our forum is also the least popular.

          Just to avoid any misconceptions in the future, let me add that I'm
          not really a Socialist, per se. I consider myself a "light"
          socialist, meaning I believe in strong, socialistic programs (like
          Social Security and FAFSA) that benefit society as a whole without
          making the people dependent on big government. In fact, most
          members here would consider me a "right winger".




          --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "christopherraymond_bio"
          <christopherraymond_bio@...> wrote:
          >
          > Thanks Mathew. You know Canada has a Charter of Rights which grants
          > less freedom than the Constitution. When I refer here to freedom,
          it
          > is temporal freedom and not 'true freedom' but basic regulation on
          > what powers the government can act upon. So we can say that the
          > Constitution is allowing the US government less authority than does
          > the Canadian Charter of Rights. But today Canadians actually
          > appear to have more freedom than do Americans. Europeans will not
          > travel into America today and this must reflect something more than
          > "Socialist" or "Republican", or "Libertarian", or even the
          > Constitution.
          >
          > I recall Dr. Steiner making it clear how St. Germain opposed the
          > French Revolution and how he felt that changes were not to be forced
          > upon people through violence. I was born a rebel but my obligations
          > are needed elsewhere, so i have done exactly what you said and I am
          > behaving myself.
          >
          > I haven't read too much on Dr. Steiner's view of politics, business,
          > banking or even spiritual socialism but I find that many socialists
          > are acting like better 'free-market' business people than so-called
          > republicans today. For example, the medi-care system is Canada is
          in
          > shambles and our drugs are overpriced. And people attribute this to
          > it being a socialist nation and having too much government
          > involvement. However, when I compare it to the average cost of
          drugs
          > sold in America, I wonder how those Republicans can be calling
          > themselves anything other than "fascists"? For when business and
          > government merge, to me this is a cartel, or fascism. Yet they
          still
          > call themselves "Republicans" and know nothing of free-enterprise.
          > When a so-called socialist sits down with me and discusses
          > things, many Canadians are calling themselves this, they're often
          > acting as better Republicans, such that the lines begin to blur and
          > all that remains is their ability to understand "right and wrong"
          and
          > not titles.
          >
          > Chris
          >
          > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@> wrote:
          > >
          >
          > >
          > > A lot of good thoughts there, Chris. You're a true rebel.
          > >
          > > I am myself a "light" socialist, and so therefore we might
          > > differ in some areas concerning taxes and Constitutional law.
          But at
          > > least it's good to find somebody in Anthroposophy who approaches
          > > these issues from the standpoint of love, not hate, for America-
          Canada,
          > > and that you're the type of person who would rather avoid violence
          > > than create it un-necessarily. Both of us would rather see the
          > > Reformation fought on the mental plane, through open debate and
          free
          > > discussion rather than on the streets of our cities where we know
          who
          > > the victor will be.
          > >
          > > The French Revolution was fought on the streets by peasants with
          pitch
          > > forks, and it won them Napoleon. On a massive scale the working
          man
          > > usurped the Romanov Russian Empire, and their blood gave them
          Lenin,
          > > Trotsky and finally Stalin, who obliterated them all. The German
          beer
          > > hall meetings of the 1920s led to Hitler. In each instance, good
          > > intentions were hoped for by well-meaning people, but tyranny was
          all
          > > that followed.
          > >
          > > For our Reformation to succeed it must not allow itself to be
          pulled
          > > into the dark, turbid waters where nearly every revolution
          ends. Our
          > > Reformation must imbue itself with clear thinking, direct
          motives, and
          > > foresight to overcome the huge obstacles that lie ahead. Our
          revolution
          > > must be fought from above, with Michael's divine assistance---or
          > > else it is doomed to create ever-greater dimensions of tyranny.
          > >
          > > Therefore be a good boy, keep paying your taxes, stay out of
          jail, and
          > > leave radical government reformations to the Christ impulse
          working
          > > through our Time Spirit. He'll right the ship in ways that you
          or I
          > > can't possibly imagine, if we work by His will, not by ours.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "christopherraymond_bio"
          > > <christopherraymond_bio@> wrote:
          > > >
          > > > Dear Mathew,
          > > >
          > > > Dr. Steiner said there was a Conspiracy against the Holy Spirit
          and
          > > > Christ. I believe that in order to have this come about, it is a
          > > > required fact that some "spill over" into the material world as
          > > > Conspiracies will appear. And I appreciate Robert's link on the
          > > > revisionist history also, because even though I tend to keep
          these
          > > > matters separate from spiritual ideas and concepts, they are
          often
          > > > closely linked together.
          > > >
          > > > For example, I know this 'new' member of the Anthroposophical
          Movement
          > > > who considered NOT paying income tax several years ago. He is
          aware
          > > > that under International Admiralty Maritime Law or "Roman
          Cannot Law",
          > > > or "law of the open waters", that contract provisions are in
          place
          > > > that force "Citizens" to pay income tax. However under Common
          Law or
          > > > Civil Law, which is based upon the Bill of Rights and the
          Constitution
          > > > of America, or the Canadian Charter of Rights, there is NO LAW
          > > > requiring one to pay income tax. To this VERY day, No-one can
          show
          > > > YOU the law.
          > > >
          > > > Common law and Civil Law, which is really the "law of the land"
          is
          > > > nearly the same in both Canada and in the "united states of
          America".
          > > > Notice that the "UNITED STATES" is today spelled in 'CAPPS' as a
          > > > corporation and this is not known to most people why that is so.
          > > > However, to become a "non-citizen" and to return yourself to a
          > > > sovereign American or Canadian, is not something that many
          people are
          > > > knowledgeable enough to do. This has also much to do with why
          on the
          > > > bottom of your birth certificate it now says, Canadian Bank
          Note, or
          > > > Treasury Bond, in very tiny print. Even a soldier, or a GI, (as
          in
          > > > GI-JOE) is short for "General Issue" or a "Bank Note". That is
          why,
          > > > it was once optional to fill out an income tax form. Now it is
          > > > illegal to file for an amount less than what the government
          assumes
          > > > you made for that period on your income tax return. Keep in
          mind also,
          > > > that not one penny of Income Tax goes toward paying off any
          debt, or
          > > > to the poor, or even to the government! The Income Tax we pay
          goes
          > > > straight into the hands of the type of dictators who the
          Founding
          > > > Fathers opposed during the Revolution. They opposed it with
          blood. I
          > > > do not want to see a Restoration occur in America; even the
          words of
          > > > Edgar Cayce, were about protecting the Constitution of America
          and
          > > > what happened in Germany will not happen in America.
          > > >
          > > > I recall the words of President George Washington regarding the
          > > > colonists having gladly paid a few more pennies tax on tea but
          to be
          > > > forced to pay an un-apportioned tax on your labor, and a tax
          without
          > > > representation, is tyranny. It is a tax that Kings place upon
          > > > servants and NOT free men.
          > > >
          > > > That person is me. I decided to look into this matter further
          and
          > > > upon much reflection, I've decided I will keep paying income
          tax for
          > > > now because the government is so corrupt and evil today, that
          they are
          > > > not even following the very rules that they themselves put in
          place
          > > > and used to follow. I could go on for days into more detail
          here but
          > > > the point is, if they had a Trojan Horse in the days of Troy,
          or a
          > > > back door, then how can we ignore having a decent firewall?
          > > >
          > > > Chris
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Mathew Morrell" tma4cbt@ wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Mr. Mason wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > > [The inner circle of New World Order] understand
          > > > >
          > > > > > that Anthroposophy is a serious obstacle to their
          > > > >
          > > > > > aims, however insignificant and muddled Anthropo-
          > > > >
          > > > > > sophists may appear to be on the physical plane.
          > > > >
          > > > > > [brackets mine]
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > I'll at least accept the possibility that you're seeing
          > > > > something in the heart of Anthroposophists that I cannot see.
          > > > > You're a bright person. Maybe you're right and Anthroposophy
          is
          > > > > a world-force around the globe capable of intimidating the
          New World
          > > > > Order. Where as I see a movement riddled with neurosis, I'm
          open to
          > > > > the possibility that there is a silent majority out there
          that I
          > > > > haven't encountered who have the spiritual wisdom to
          illuminate the
          > > > > world. Maybe they're the ones capable of bringing a new
          vision of
          > > > > Christ to the 21st century, as mainstream Christianity
          atrophies and
          > > > > dies.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > That is the worst nightmare scenario of the New World Order---
          an
          > > > > illuminated Christian Church, empowered by occultism,
          spiritualized
          > > by
          > > > > God, saved by Jesus Christ, our Lord.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > When Anthroposophists are tired of dicking around with their
          asinine
          > > > > conspiracy theories, their rabid anti-Semitism, and their
          sickening
          > > > > hatred of the United States, wake me up and I'll pick up my
          sword.
          > > > > Until then, you guys are on your own.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, Robert Mason
          <robertsmason_99@>
          > > > > wrote:
          > > > > >
          > > > > > To Mathew Morrell, who wrote:
          > > > > >
          > > > > > >>If they start censoring Steiner's lectures,
          > > > > > don't fret. Start uploading his censored
          > > > > > material onto the Internet---and those
          > > > > > teachings, in turn, will become more available
          > > > > > than they are now. In our time, the Internet is
          > > > > > our greatest weapon against totalitarian
          > > > > > control of ideas.<<
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Robert writes:
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Just about all of Steiner's writings and
          > > > > > lectures are already on the Net in German, and
          > > > > > a good deal of them in English at the eLib.
          > > > > > But the would-be totalitarians are already
          > > > > > exploring ways to shut down the Internet. So
          > > > > > far, it seems, their main ploy has been to
          > > > > > flood it with disinformation.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Matthew wrote:
          > > > > >
          > > > > > >>. . . . Now, as far as "saving" Anthro from
          > > > > > totalitarianism, that's kind of an oxymoron,
          > > > > > isn't it? Maybe the Internet has warped my view
          > > > > > of Anthroposophy as a whole, but I really don't
          > > > > > see any major political conflicts arising
          > > > > > anytime soon between the New World Order and
          > > > > > Anthroposophy. Nor can I envision the average
          > > > > > Anthroposophist being locked up in a re-
          > > > > > education camp or a Gulag. In fact, I see the
          > > > > > opposite occuring. The New World Order and the
          > > > > > average Anthroposophist are in perfect
          > > > > > agreement on so many issues (i.e. gun control,
          > > > > > immigration, the Fairness Doctrine) that the
          > > > > > two spheres almost seem to be an extension of
          > > > > > one another. Anthroposophists should stop
          > > > > > flattering themselves with the idea that
          > > > > > they're radical intellectuals, when quite the
          > > > > > opposite is true.<<
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Robert writes:
          > > > > >
          > > > > > That's an interesting perception of the
          > > > > > "average" Anthro, and maybe you have more
          > > > > > experience on which to base it than I have. I
          > > > > > suppose to some extent, at least, it's true.
          > > > > > Anthros are only people, and most people have
          > > > > > the outlook that is normal in the society
          > > > > > around them. When people come to Anthroposophy
          > > > > > they usually bring some of the "normal"
          > > > > > prejudices with them. It's an individual
          > > > > > matter as to how much the encounter with
          > > > > > Anthroposophy will make the Anthro into a
          > > > > > "radical intellectual", to use your phrase.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Nevertheless, Anthroposophy itself is very much
          > > > > > at odds with the prevailing materialistic
          > > > > > worldview, and those Powers That Be (those in
          > > > > > the inner circles) know this fact very well,
          > > > > > and they understand that Anthroposophy is a
          > > > > > serious obstacle to their aims, however
          > > > > > insignificant and muddled Anthroposophists may
          > > > > > appear to be on the physical plane.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Therefore, just having any connection with
          > > > > > Anthroposophy might well put someone on the
          > > > > > arrest list, or the extermination list.
          > > > > > Picture this: The black-clad, ski-masked,
          > > > > > body-armored SWAT team is kicking in the door,
          > > > > > shooting the dog, and hauling the startled,
          > > > > > unarmed Anthro into the paddy wagon. Do you
          > > > > > suppose it would do him any good to protest,
          > > > > > "No, no; I believe in open borders. I'm for
          > > > > > gun control. I love the U.N., I really do." --
          > > > > > ?Hm?? Do you think that the steroid-pumped
          > > > > > HiGs would relent and release the "terrorist"?
          > > > > > Or do you suppose that the magistrate, if there
          > > > > > be any magistrates or *habeus corpus* left in
          > > > > > the NWO, would appreciate the PC-ness of the
          > > > > > "average Anthro" and let him go on his merry
          > > > > > way?
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Maybe, maybe . . . . But maybe not. If the NWO
          > > > > > comes down, is it gonna come down as hard as
          > > > > > the Power That Be would like it to, or would
          > > > > > there be some restraint? That's kinda the
          > > > > > question I was asking, and asking whether
          > > > > > traditional American respect for freedom would
          > > > > > yet impose that restraint more than in Europe.
          > > > > > But I don't much doubt that the Powers That Be
          > > > > > would like to exterminate anyone who has any
          > > > > > real appreciation of Anthroposophy.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > I appreciate your take on the "average" Anthro;
          > > > > > I wonder whether anyone has taken a poll?
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Robert Mason
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > >
          > > >
          > >
          >
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          Agreed Mathew. Politics mix with Anthroposophy, as does oil and water. The America bashing is annoying and too prevalent, almost a trend lately. ... not ...
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            Agreed Mathew. Politics mix with Anthroposophy, as does oil and
            water. The America bashing is annoying and too prevalent, almost a
            trend lately.

            --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@...> wrote:
            >
            > Generally speaking, political discussions are tolerated here, but
            not
            > necessarily welcome. So few, if any, have resulted in anything
            > positive or inspiring. Mostly, political discussions have diverted
            > from our central aim to delve into Rudolph Steiner's vision of
            > spiritual science--- not to provide a forum to endlessly exercise
            our
            > personal demons. Politics never seizes to drive wedges between
            > people who would otherwise be friends.
            >
            > It is our semi-restriction on politics (especially America bashing)
            > that makes this forum unique from every other Rudolph Steiner forum
            > on the Internet. Our forum is also the least popular.
            >
            > Just to avoid any misconceptions in the future, let me add that I'm
            > not really a Socialist, per se. I consider myself a "light"
            > socialist, meaning I believe in strong, socialistic programs (like
            > Social Security and FAFSA) that benefit society as a whole without
            > making the people dependent on big government. In fact, most
            > members here would consider me a "right winger".
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "christopherraymond_bio"
            > <christopherraymond_bio@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Thanks Mathew. You know Canada has a Charter of Rights which
            grants
            > > less freedom than the Constitution. When I refer here to
            freedom,
            > it
            > > is temporal freedom and not 'true freedom' but basic regulation on
            > > what powers the government can act upon. So we can say that the
            > > Constitution is allowing the US government less authority than
            does
            > > the Canadian Charter of Rights. But today Canadians actually
            > > appear to have more freedom than do Americans. Europeans will not
            > > travel into America today and this must reflect something more
            than
            > > "Socialist" or "Republican", or "Libertarian", or even the
            > > Constitution.
            > >
            > > I recall Dr. Steiner making it clear how St. Germain opposed the
            > > French Revolution and how he felt that changes were not to be
            forced
            > > upon people through violence. I was born a rebel but my
            obligations
            > > are needed elsewhere, so i have done exactly what you said and I
            am
            > > behaving myself.
            > >
            > > I haven't read too much on Dr. Steiner's view of politics,
            business,
            > > banking or even spiritual socialism but I find that many
            socialists
            > > are acting like better 'free-market' business people than so-
            called
            > > republicans today. For example, the medi-care system is Canada
            is
            > in
            > > shambles and our drugs are overpriced. And people attribute this
            to
            > > it being a socialist nation and having too much government
            > > involvement. However, when I compare it to the average cost of
            > drugs
            > > sold in America, I wonder how those Republicans can be calling
            > > themselves anything other than "fascists"? For when business and
            > > government merge, to me this is a cartel, or fascism. Yet they
            > still
            > > call themselves "Republicans" and know nothing of free-
            enterprise.
            > > When a so-called socialist sits down with me and discusses
            > > things, many Canadians are calling themselves this, they're often
            > > acting as better Republicans, such that the lines begin to blur
            and
            > > all that remains is their ability to understand "right and wrong"
            > and
            > > not titles.
            > >
            > > Chris
            > >
            > > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@> wrote:
            > > >
            > >
            > > >
            > > > A lot of good thoughts there, Chris. You're a true rebel.
            > > >
            > > > I am myself a "light" socialist, and so therefore we might
            > > > differ in some areas concerning taxes and Constitutional law.
            > But at
            > > > least it's good to find somebody in Anthroposophy who approaches
            > > > these issues from the standpoint of love, not hate, for America-
            > Canada,
            > > > and that you're the type of person who would rather avoid
            violence
            > > > than create it un-necessarily. Both of us would rather see the
            > > > Reformation fought on the mental plane, through open debate and
            > free
            > > > discussion rather than on the streets of our cities where we
            know
            > who
            > > > the victor will be.
            > > >
            > > > The French Revolution was fought on the streets by peasants
            with
            > pitch
            > > > forks, and it won them Napoleon. On a massive scale the
            working
            > man
            > > > usurped the Romanov Russian Empire, and their blood gave them
            > Lenin,
            > > > Trotsky and finally Stalin, who obliterated them all. The
            German
            > beer
            > > > hall meetings of the 1920s led to Hitler. In each instance,
            good
            > > > intentions were hoped for by well-meaning people, but tyranny
            was
            > all
            > > > that followed.
            > > >
            > > > For our Reformation to succeed it must not allow itself to be
            > pulled
            > > > into the dark, turbid waters where nearly every revolution
            > ends. Our
            > > > Reformation must imbue itself with clear thinking, direct
            > motives, and
            > > > foresight to overcome the huge obstacles that lie ahead. Our
            > revolution
            > > > must be fought from above, with Michael's divine assistance---or
            > > > else it is doomed to create ever-greater dimensions of tyranny.
            > > >
            > > > Therefore be a good boy, keep paying your taxes, stay out of
            > jail, and
            > > > leave radical government reformations to the Christ impulse
            > working
            > > > through our Time Spirit. He'll right the ship in ways that you
            > or I
            > > > can't possibly imagine, if we work by His will, not by ours.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "christopherraymond_bio"
            > > > <christopherraymond_bio@> wrote:
            > > > >
            > > > > Dear Mathew,
            > > > >
            > > > > Dr. Steiner said there was a Conspiracy against the Holy
            Spirit
            > and
            > > > > Christ. I believe that in order to have this come about, it
            is a
            > > > > required fact that some "spill over" into the material world
            as
            > > > > Conspiracies will appear. And I appreciate Robert's link on
            the
            > > > > revisionist history also, because even though I tend to keep
            > these
            > > > > matters separate from spiritual ideas and concepts, they are
            > often
            > > > > closely linked together.
            > > > >
            > > > > For example, I know this 'new' member of the Anthroposophical
            > Movement
            > > > > who considered NOT paying income tax several years ago. He is
            > aware
            > > > > that under International Admiralty Maritime Law or "Roman
            > Cannot Law",
            > > > > or "law of the open waters", that contract provisions are in
            > place
            > > > > that force "Citizens" to pay income tax. However under Common
            > Law or
            > > > > Civil Law, which is based upon the Bill of Rights and the
            > Constitution
            > > > > of America, or the Canadian Charter of Rights, there is NO LAW
            > > > > requiring one to pay income tax. To this VERY day, No-one can
            > show
            > > > > YOU the law.
            > > > >
            > > > > Common law and Civil Law, which is really the "law of the
            land"
            > is
            > > > > nearly the same in both Canada and in the "united states of
            > America".
            > > > > Notice that the "UNITED STATES" is today spelled in 'CAPPS'
            as a
            > > > > corporation and this is not known to most people why that is
            so.
            > > > > However, to become a "non-citizen" and to return yourself to a
            > > > > sovereign American or Canadian, is not something that many
            > people are
            > > > > knowledgeable enough to do. This has also much to do with why
            > on the
            > > > > bottom of your birth certificate it now says, Canadian Bank
            > Note, or
            > > > > Treasury Bond, in very tiny print. Even a soldier, or a GI,
            (as
            > in
            > > > > GI-JOE) is short for "General Issue" or a "Bank Note". That
            is
            > why,
            > > > > it was once optional to fill out an income tax form. Now it is
            > > > > illegal to file for an amount less than what the government
            > assumes
            > > > > you made for that period on your income tax return. Keep in
            > mind also,
            > > > > that not one penny of Income Tax goes toward paying off any
            > debt, or
            > > > > to the poor, or even to the government! The Income Tax we pay
            > goes
            > > > > straight into the hands of the type of dictators who the
            > Founding
            > > > > Fathers opposed during the Revolution. They opposed it with
            > blood. I
            > > > > do not want to see a Restoration occur in America; even the
            > words of
            > > > > Edgar Cayce, were about protecting the Constitution of
            America
            > and
            > > > > what happened in Germany will not happen in America.
            > > > >
            > > > > I recall the words of President George Washington regarding
            the
            > > > > colonists having gladly paid a few more pennies tax on tea
            but
            > to be
            > > > > forced to pay an un-apportioned tax on your labor, and a tax
            > without
            > > > > representation, is tyranny. It is a tax that Kings place upon
            > > > > servants and NOT free men.
            > > > >
            > > > > That person is me. I decided to look into this matter further
            > and
            > > > > upon much reflection, I've decided I will keep paying income
            > tax for
            > > > > now because the government is so corrupt and evil today, that
            > they are
            > > > > not even following the very rules that they themselves put in
            > place
            > > > > and used to follow. I could go on for days into more detail
            > here but
            > > > > the point is, if they had a Trojan Horse in the days of Troy,
            > or a
            > > > > back door, then how can we ignore having a decent firewall?
            > > > >
            > > > > Chris
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Mathew Morrell" tma4cbt@
            wrote:
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Mr. Mason wrote:
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > [The inner circle of New World Order] understand
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > that Anthroposophy is a serious obstacle to their
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > aims, however insignificant and muddled Anthropo-
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > sophists may appear to be on the physical plane.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > [brackets mine]
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > I'll at least accept the possibility that you're seeing
            > > > > > something in the heart of Anthroposophists that I cannot
            see.
            > > > > > You're a bright person. Maybe you're right and
            Anthroposophy
            > is
            > > > > > a world-force around the globe capable of intimidating the
            > New World
            > > > > > Order. Where as I see a movement riddled with neurosis, I'm
            > open to
            > > > > > the possibility that there is a silent majority out there
            > that I
            > > > > > haven't encountered who have the spiritual wisdom to
            > illuminate the
            > > > > > world. Maybe they're the ones capable of bringing a new
            > vision of
            > > > > > Christ to the 21st century, as mainstream Christianity
            > atrophies and
            > > > > > dies.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > That is the worst nightmare scenario of the New World Order-
            --
            > an
            > > > > > illuminated Christian Church, empowered by occultism,
            > spiritualized
            > > > by
            > > > > > God, saved by Jesus Christ, our Lord.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > When Anthroposophists are tired of dicking around with
            their
            > asinine
            > > > > > conspiracy theories, their rabid anti-Semitism, and their
            > sickening
            > > > > > hatred of the United States, wake me up and I'll pick up my
            > sword.
            > > > > > Until then, you guys are on your own.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, Robert Mason
            > <robertsmason_99@>
            > > > > > wrote:
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > To Mathew Morrell, who wrote:
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > >>If they start censoring Steiner's lectures,
            > > > > > > don't fret. Start uploading his censored
            > > > > > > material onto the Internet---and those
            > > > > > > teachings, in turn, will become more available
            > > > > > > than they are now. In our time, the Internet is
            > > > > > > our greatest weapon against totalitarian
            > > > > > > control of ideas.<<
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Robert writes:
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Just about all of Steiner's writings and
            > > > > > > lectures are already on the Net in German, and
            > > > > > > a good deal of them in English at the eLib.
            > > > > > > But the would-be totalitarians are already
            > > > > > > exploring ways to shut down the Internet. So
            > > > > > > far, it seems, their main ploy has been to
            > > > > > > flood it with disinformation.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Matthew wrote:
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > >>. . . . Now, as far as "saving" Anthro from
            > > > > > > totalitarianism, that's kind of an oxymoron,
            > > > > > > isn't it? Maybe the Internet has warped my view
            > > > > > > of Anthroposophy as a whole, but I really don't
            > > > > > > see any major political conflicts arising
            > > > > > > anytime soon between the New World Order and
            > > > > > > Anthroposophy. Nor can I envision the average
            > > > > > > Anthroposophist being locked up in a re-
            > > > > > > education camp or a Gulag. In fact, I see the
            > > > > > > opposite occuring. The New World Order and the
            > > > > > > average Anthroposophist are in perfect
            > > > > > > agreement on so many issues (i.e. gun control,
            > > > > > > immigration, the Fairness Doctrine) that the
            > > > > > > two spheres almost seem to be an extension of
            > > > > > > one another. Anthroposophists should stop
            > > > > > > flattering themselves with the idea that
            > > > > > > they're radical intellectuals, when quite the
            > > > > > > opposite is true.<<
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Robert writes:
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > That's an interesting perception of the
            > > > > > > "average" Anthro, and maybe you have more
            > > > > > > experience on which to base it than I have. I
            > > > > > > suppose to some extent, at least, it's true.
            > > > > > > Anthros are only people, and most people have
            > > > > > > the outlook that is normal in the society
            > > > > > > around them. When people come to Anthroposophy
            > > > > > > they usually bring some of the "normal"
            > > > > > > prejudices with them. It's an individual
            > > > > > > matter as to how much the encounter with
            > > > > > > Anthroposophy will make the Anthro into a
            > > > > > > "radical intellectual", to use your phrase.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Nevertheless, Anthroposophy itself is very much
            > > > > > > at odds with the prevailing materialistic
            > > > > > > worldview, and those Powers That Be (those in
            > > > > > > the inner circles) know this fact very well,
            > > > > > > and they understand that Anthroposophy is a
            > > > > > > serious obstacle to their aims, however
            > > > > > > insignificant and muddled Anthroposophists may
            > > > > > > appear to be on the physical plane.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Therefore, just having any connection with
            > > > > > > Anthroposophy might well put someone on the
            > > > > > > arrest list, or the extermination list.
            > > > > > > Picture this: The black-clad, ski-masked,
            > > > > > > body-armored SWAT team is kicking in the door,
            > > > > > > shooting the dog, and hauling the startled,
            > > > > > > unarmed Anthro into the paddy wagon. Do you
            > > > > > > suppose it would do him any good to protest,
            > > > > > > "No, no; I believe in open borders. I'm for
            > > > > > > gun control. I love the U.N., I really do." --
            > > > > > > ?Hm?? Do you think that the steroid-pumped
            > > > > > > HiGs would relent and release the "terrorist"?
            > > > > > > Or do you suppose that the magistrate, if there
            > > > > > > be any magistrates or *habeus corpus* left in
            > > > > > > the NWO, would appreciate the PC-ness of the
            > > > > > > "average Anthro" and let him go on his merry
            > > > > > > way?
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Maybe, maybe . . . . But maybe not. If the NWO
            > > > > > > comes down, is it gonna come down as hard as
            > > > > > > the Power That Be would like it to, or would
            > > > > > > there be some restraint? That's kinda the
            > > > > > > question I was asking, and asking whether
            > > > > > > traditional American respect for freedom would
            > > > > > > yet impose that restraint more than in Europe.
            > > > > > > But I don't much doubt that the Powers That Be
            > > > > > > would like to exterminate anyone who has any
            > > > > > > real appreciation of Anthroposophy.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > I appreciate your take on the "average" Anthro;
            > > > > > > I wonder whether anyone has taken a poll?
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Robert Mason
            > > > > > >
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