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  • carynlouise
    Hi Dr Starman, trust you are well. Thanks, as always, for the Soul Calendar. Looking at the night sky it never ceases to amaze me the brightness of Venus -
    Message 1 of 17 , May 8, 2007
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      Hi Dr Starman, trust you are well. Thanks, as always, for the Soul
      Calendar. Looking at the night sky it never ceases to amaze me the
      brightness of Venus - I'm not sure how it looks like from your side
      but from my side it is enormously bright - phew! Also spotting
      Saturn straight above (unfortunately haven't got a telescope) but I
      take it to be the distant orange looking star directly above. I
      think I can also see Jupiter on the western horizon, also orange
      looking - quite near as well, just below Orion's belt. Starry starry
      night .. :)

      Happy Birthday Taurus!

      Taurus – The Bull

      Taurus, the Bull, the only earth sign that is also a fixed sign,
      tells of the energies of the earth and man's use of, and often
      bondage to, earthly things and forces. A fruitful energy, which may
      express itself for good or ill, manifests in this second sign of the
      Zodiac. Its vice is inertia – peace at any price. Its virtue is a
      successful, practical achievement bringing concrete results. The
      Taurean feels much at home on the earth. The evolved Taurean
      inwardly realizes that as the earth fructifies seeds and brings
      plants to maturity, so the earthly body must become enclothed by the
      higher, spiritual, heavenly man. He realizes that the earthly body
      has office and existence as a temple of God.

      The Bull is indicative not only of great strength, but also of
      extraordinary digestive powers. Metabolism is the mode of Taurus. A
      marvelous expression of metabolism is found in the bovine species
      which chews the cud, digesting, redigesting, assimilating, and
      transmuting food into other forces. Similarly, must facts, ideas,
      and experiences long be chewed upon, as cud, by Taurean souls, before
      they are assimilated and resolved into new truth.

      Taurus represents the primordial desire-force that must be
      transformed into the priceless possession of the perfected man doing
      the will of the Father. In Taurus, man's desires must be transmuted
      into spiritualised will. The physical must be used as the vehicle in
      refining and raising the soul's quality. Indicating this verity,
      there is, in addition to the symbol of the Bull, the picture of a
      coiled serpent. Its folded coils reveal the latent, concentrated
      energy and stored-up occult powers, held in silent, ready reserve, as
      in a granary of peculiar power, gained in the harvests of many
      earthly lives. The source of these powers is the soul, and their
      force of manifestation is contingent upon love and purity.

      Taurus is seen then as a soul-source of power. Here is a magazine of
      mighty moods, a reservoir as it were, of concealed, confined,
      emotional force held in the bond of one great, intense feeling, which
      is often released in that peculiar occult quality of prayer and
      praise, which is true song. This sign rules the vocal cords and
      gives expression to the voice, for the life of the larynx manifests
      in Taurus, as well as the power of productive, physical labour, the
      means of making money and gaining by means of material concerns and
      the products of the earth.

      Occult forces are held here in storage, kept latent against the time,
      or the life, when they will be needed and become active for other
      earthly expressions of the Christed Ego. Just as the constellation
      of Taurus is the greatest in the Zodiac, so too is the sign the
      mighty reservoir for all of the faculties man has gained throughout
      his various lives on earth. In this sign is the secret source of
      storage. But, only those moving on the higher level of Christ-life
      can tap this vast storehouse of occult supply. The service of this
      intense sign is to sound out the senses and to build higher octaves
      of soul quality. With deliberation Taurus takes hold of the physical
      forces in man and, through earthly work, concretely manifests and
      creates in such wise as to generate, from the Spirit within, a
      heightened power of soul as a distillate.

      Insofar as physical forces are concerned, no sign exhibits greater
      stolidity and solidity than Taurus. It rules finances and
      foundations handling funds, and it gives the ability to earn and to
      disburse money. More than any other sign, Taurus not only gives a
      forte, but also much finesse in the transaction of financial affairs
      and their management. Highly evolved Taureans, in their largess, may
      be called doers of the bountiful. The practical power to earn money
      and to energise activity through money and the concerns of physical
      property is part of the expression and experience of Taurus. Its
      natives invariably encounter intensely significant happenings
      connected with money and property, which arrest attention and provide
      spiritual lessons on the earth and after death.

      The purpose of planetary life and of repeated births of both man and
      planet is to incorporate in man-in-the-making a new member, the Ego,
      for which it was necessary to make the involutionary descent into
      earthly density; now, there follows the evolutionary ascent into
      spiritual realms, by way of the wisdom of love, both man and planet
      being raised to the magnitude of the Sun-power itself. In this
      process of densification, purification, and sublimation, perhaps the
      most telling test and turning point occurs in the first earthy sign,
      Taurus, which is also the first fixed sign of the Zodiac. For, true
      to the ancient symbol of the coiled serpent, there lie concealed in
      Taurus the profound depths of desire, which must be transmuted into
      spiritualised will. Although the mood of matter becomes the manifest
      mode of Taurus, these intensely physical experiences are being
      proffered to the soul solely to lead the man to mastery, never to
      master the man or subvert that in him which is spiritual. The
      desires and rude strength, secretly concentrated in the Taurean, must
      be touched by the magic of transmutation through the indwelling
      Christ-Spirit, and the thinking must be lighted by Spirit-truth.
      Otherwise, the principle of will will be at war with the desires of
      these Taurean souls, and it will often run amuck in the world, until
      such time as fleshly desires are transformed through true vision and
      purity. The keynote and destiny of Taurus centers in the obedience
      of the lower man to the higher, spiritualised self, the `Lord from
      heaven'.

      The sum and substance of Taurus is not only the solid and the stolid,
      and the power of patient persistence working into soul-spiritual
      distillate or essence – this alchemy it does work – but also the
      secret of sound and the utterance of speech; for Taurus manifests the
      power to vocalize and to form and pronounce the word. True song
      sounds forth from Taurus and often it gives the genius to set down
      the harmonies of heaven, as we see in Beethoven, with the
      compassionate warmth of Christ-love. The powerful composer of
      heavenly harmonies, song, and symphonies, Johannes Brahms, had his
      Sun in Taurus. In Franz Schubert, we also see Taurean power on the
      Ascendant. Richard Wagner had his Sun, Ascendant, Venus and Mercury
      in this sign of song Taurus.

      In the galaxy of opera stars and singers, we find a large number of
      Taureans, for Taurus is the sign of the song and sound. We may say
      again that true song is real prayer and praise to God, just as is the
      song of the birds. And, as the song of the birds open buds on the
      trees, so does the peculiar soul-spiritual energy in and behind
      vocalized sound, when true, build the forces for the Spirit and open
      the soul to the love of wisdom and truth, which is God. Sound, then,
      as a source of soul forces, manifests in the sign Taurus as it
      becomes audible in earthly, human tones. The quality and power of
      human speech, as a creative, healing power, is perceived by the seer
      as arising in the forces of fixed signs, but especially in this sign
      of song and voice, Taurus, that brings it to a focus, as it were, and
      gives it direction, its quality being sensed, if not heard, by the
      timbre of the tone.

      He who hears the harmonies of heaven or senses the sound of the
      zodiacal tones has come into union with God, with the voice of God,
      and with his vision. Through intense meditation upon the Zodiac and
      spiritual study of the stellar script, one is raised from the dead.
      One rises out of the corpse of present–day convention, brain-bound
      abstraction, and the lack of love to which they lead, as well as the
      degenerating love of ease and self-indulgence that are the bane of
      Taurus.

      Taureans suffer more from an over supply of strength than from its
      paucity. They often give way to fear, and then laziness and self-
      indulgence often beset them, which may lead to stagnation because of
      their selfish love of ease. Such a regimen all too soon breaks down
      the stamina of the body for lack of a natural, healthy, physical
      activity and the absence of a mental-spiritual life. As Aries flies
      outward from a center, in irradiating, flinging forces, in purely
      centrifugal fashion wild with waste, so Taurus behaves in exactly the
      opposite manner. It throws its forces into a center in centripetal
      action. Aries is exhibitive and expressive; Taurus, inhibitive and
      compressive. So persistent are the moods of emotion, so compressed
      the feelings, that Taureans are faced with a collision of their
      thought and their feelings. Thus, contradictory states are the
      result, which often make the Taurean impossible to deal with. The
      emotional forces become so conflicting and entangled with the thought
      that the moods declare themselves in a sullen silence which is more
      eloquent than speech. Undeveloped Taureans are to themselves and
      often to others quite impossible, because of their torrential,
      destructively dangerous emotion. Of the twelve senses, Taureans need
      to develop the sense of thinking. This sense of thinking, when
      rightly developed, can save them from their damaging emotional forces.

      Materialistic thinking, the mere intellect, tends to dominate the
      Taureans, however, and they want nothing that cannot be set into
      earthly concepts. The heaven of the Taureans would have to be a
      glorified physical existence. To attain Ego-consciousness and
      freedom, t was temporarily necessary for man to have his sight
      limited to the earth and to earthly conditions. Now the time has
      come when the human being must discover that he has within himself
      the whole cosmos. The power of the cosmos, the Christ, is condensed
      into a central focus in the man. This spiritual power must become
      wise with love and add to his intellect the light of Spirit-truth,
      which is the voice of the archetypal Christ-Ego within. It is the
      voice that transcends the vocalization of sound in speech, the
      Taurean instrument, which the intellectual person in this fixed sign
      must learn to listen to and hear well if he would find the Christ in
      himself, as well as the cosmic Christ in the Earth, for to hear the
      Spirit sounding in one's self is to hear the greater voice and see
      the higher vividly vital vision of the Lord of the Sun.

      The forces of will and of desire are held in latent potency in
      Taurus, and they lie concealed and coiled within the soul, suppressed
      and dammed back until some incident or provocation touches off the
      fuse, firing up the pent-up power with the force of an explosion. It
      takes much to goad a Taurean into excited action, but once the
      boiling point is reached, he becomes furious and is actually beside
      himself with rage, like a mad bull. If a Taurean can disengage
      himself from his fixity, his interested is aroused, giving him an
      ambition as great for the Spirit of truth. In the youthful years,
      before his astral body is fully born at puberty, the Taurean shows a
      beautiful meditative, contemplative mood of calm and quite kindness;
      but, with the astral body matured and the blind brain merges with the
      desires, the Bull's fixed forces are so aroused as to cast the
      maturing youth into a state of defiance that is likely to remain
      implacable. At this age, the force of opposing emotional moods
      becomes evident and often devitalizing. The defiant and sensual
      character, the stubborn moods and emotions, the contradictory and
      often torrential elements in Taurus, can be redirected and transmuted
      when they yield to the advice of someone they love or greatly admire.

      The paradox of passion and peace finds its expression in Taurus, for
      with the quality of obedience and a nature that is trustful,
      conservative, gentle, and kindhearted, there is combined at the same
      time the fury of a vicious self-will, a stubborn recalcitrant spirit,
      whose forces invariably matches the power of the opponent. But the
      best avenue for Taureans is to find a release in song, music, and
      art; And in this Venus sign, this forte is usually present. It is
      true enough that most people have to learn that there is no goal but
      God, but Taureans especially have to realise this fact on earth,
      rather than in the realm of the dead, for far more can be done, and
      faster progress be made, if this truth is recognized while the Ego
      retains tenure of its physical body.

      A delightful sense of humour is of great help and happiness to
      Taureans. One is carried more buoyantly through life with such a
      quality of soul, for it enables one to maintain courage, and it helps
      others to keep poised in trying days. The ability to see and to
      enjoy the comical side of a situation is British. Taurus rules the
      British Isles as a whole. There is no sense of the comical that
      compares with this happy possession of the British, and when peril of
      war oppresses, it seems to reach its highest expression. Such a
      sense of humour may be traced in its psychic connection to optimism,
      which subconsciously discerns an unseen higher light.

      Taurus is actually the very `soil' of the soul. It is a soil that is
      rough, raw, and often rude, and it must be redeemed. This
      regeneration invariably takes place through physical forces inherent
      in earthly wealth, money, property, and all things included in the
      economic life. Especially, the way the metabolism of the body
      operates, creating a state of well-being as a result of the food
      taken in, contributing to health and generating the forces required
      to resist disease, is Taurean in its nature. In Aries is shaped the
      unique personal destiny, the principle that founds the earthly form,
      self-aware of its Egohood in its will-to-be-manifest. Aries is
      the `sower' of the intellectual Gemini `seed' in the earthy substance
      of Taurus, the `soil' that in a literal sense also provides the
      elements needed for the growth of the higher kingdoms: plants,
      animals, and man.

      Whereas Aries stands for the primal archetypal pattern of man, Taurus
      signifies the primordial substance of the manifested self, which was
      spoken into being `in the beginning' by the Word. Taurus holds the
      synthesis of past lives as psychic inheritance and basic possession.
      In this sign Taurus is the reservoir of forces, the storehouse of
      past harvests, held as concentrated power; the quality of compression
      and conservation is held over from past lives, to be retained
      inherently. The truth about reincarnation – repeated lives on Earth –
      becomes evident by observing men and women in their humanity, but it
      is especially evident in Taureans who are able to release matured
      forces long held in storage from the past. In Taurus, the forces of
      past lives are either manifested on a higher octave of power, or the
      Taurean is submerged by his own sense of suppression. In this
      respect, we may point again to the ancient symbol of Taurus, the
      coiled serpent, realizing that in Taurus lie concealed abysmal depths
      of often searing but ever searching desire that ultimately must be
      transmuted into will. It is the concealed quality, which we would
      emphasise as the cause of conservation and concentration in this sign.

      What the world calls `practicality' is often said to be the trait
      peculiar to Taureans, for they are usually people with a capacity to
      collect the coin of the realm. It is their forte to deal with the
      physical and financial, to make money, with some success, for their
      lesson in evolution binds them to the energies of the earth. The
      truly practical, however, is at the same time the spiritual. Today,
      humanity suffers and civilization breaks down wherever this true,
      spiritually real practicality is disregarded. The evolutionary task
      of the Taureans is to acquire this power of the truly practical.
      They are the souls that need to be `born again', theirs is the great
      work to raise themselves to far higher octaves of consciousness, to
      be regenerated and re-educated. And, according to their power of
      will, their vision will vitalize their activities, refine their
      souls, and elevate their minds, while their consciousness will be
      heightened and vastly expanded. In Taurus one discovers in the end
      that the only worthwhile possession is spiritual self-possession.

      It must be kept in mind that Taurus is a sign of great reserve and
      retention, deep-rooted in the past. Taureans make concrete the
      energies of the earth. Their forte is endurance; their vice is
      obstinacy. Great reservoirs of energy can be tapped on need, and
      then the strength, and often the obstinacy of the Bull, become
      apparent. Extremely strong willed, they can be led by persuasion,
      but never driven. These are the men who mould and make things;
      manufacturers and builders. Although it is in the province of the
      Aries souls to create the abstract idea, which they pioneer and
      promote in their idealism and inspiration, it remains for the Taurean
      actually to translate the idea into reality by moulding and giving
      shape to matter. Thus, Aries idealises while Taurus realizes. Aries
      is the architect, but Taurus the builder.

      Taurus is ruled by Venus, and so this sign is often a furnace of
      affection, with strong healing forces, which make Taureans good
      masseurs, doctors, nurses, etc. However, if we keep in mind the
      negative Venusian quality of this sign, we may gain some insight into
      what makes these natives sensuous if not sensual, given to worldly
      pleasures and to venting their animal desires, very fond of food. Of
      course, these habits obtain only in those living principally in their
      desires, which then have full and sweeping rule over the true man,
      the higher self. When, on the other hand, these souls turn to the
      Spirit and walk on the way of will, they show vast powers of
      concentration and a matchless perseverance. There is no sign that
      may compare with Taurus for the storage of life forces; thus, its
      vitality is great.

      If one studies Taurus, its place in the nativity, and the planets it
      holds, and its ruler Venus, one sees behind the scenes of one's own
      life its stored-up forces and qualities; these are the abilities,
      faculties, and powers held in abeyance; and not active in this life,
      at least not in the larger part of it, but sometimes expressed at the
      end of life, as in the case of Swedenborg, whose Moon and Uranus were
      conjunct in Taurus in his forth house, indicating the latter part of
      life.

      When we think of Taurus, we think of the tremendous, and we realise
      that this might constellation is the largest in the Zodiac, and at
      the end of it are the Pleiades, a group of stars said to lead to bad
      sight or blindness. Yet, whoever has Taurus dominate and has the
      will to become wise, can generate the `oil' to light the lamp of his
      soul, enabling him to see, for in this sign of latent occult power
      lie concentrated the forces that bring illumination.

      Meditation on the Bull calls forth the picture of the Mithras Bull,
      which was sacrificed so that the rider's development might be
      furthered. As such, the Bull has become the token of complete
      surrender and the zodiacal symbol for the Gospel of St. Luke, the
      Gospel that, more than the others, speaks of love and compassion.
      St. Luke presents Christ as a being who embodies who embodies self-
      giving love, who conveys to the Earth the warmth of love that streams
      through the universe from the exceedingly exalted beings, the
      Seraphim. It is in St. Luke's Gospel 23:34,46, that we find the
      words from the cross revealing the greatest depth of compassion and
      love, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do",
      and "Father, into thy hands I commend my Spirit", expressing
      humility, devotion, and utmost surrender.

      ***
    • Mathew Morrell
      Good work on the Taurus post; it s rare that anyone post an essay in this forum that is that erudite, informative and well planned. Wow. In the past, a
      Message 2 of 17 , May 8, 2007
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        Good work on the Taurus post; it's rare that anyone post an essay in
        this forum that is that erudite, informative and well planned. Wow.
        In the past, a "progressive" Englishman named Pierre would get into
        arguments with Doctor Starman over astrological issues that I knew
        nothing about. People, I think, got a lot out of those arguments.
        Astronomy is something that I know next to nothing about, but need to
        learn.

        As far as the Billy Bayber stories go, you have to be in a special
        mood to read them or any of my other fiction writings, since I write
        almost exclusively in the "B-movie" horror genre. Most people are
        rarely, if ever, in those types of moods and have a natural
        repugnance for lingering too long on the negative, murderous, evil
        side of life. That's a good thing, for sure. Especially people who
        are ill or suffering the loss of a loved one need to concentrate
        on "the good" and "the beautiful" and leave the dark, a-symmetrical,
        chaotic side of life to aficionados, like HP Lovecraft, of death,
        dying and eternal sinister darkness.


        --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "carynlouise" <carynlouise@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi Dr Starman, trust you are well. Thanks, as always, for the Soul
        > Calendar. Looking at the night sky it never ceases to amaze me the
        > brightness of Venus - I'm not sure how it looks like from your side
        > but from my side it is enormously bright - phew! Also spotting
        > Saturn straight above (unfortunately haven't got a telescope) but I
        > take it to be the distant orange looking star directly above. I
        > think I can also see Jupiter on the western horizon, also orange
        > looking - quite near as well, just below Orion's belt. Starry
        starry
        > night .. :)
        >
        > Happy Birthday Taurus!
        >
        > Taurus – The Bull
        >
        > Taurus, the Bull, the only earth sign that is also a fixed sign,
        > tells of the energies of the earth and man's use of, and often
        > bondage to, earthly things and forces. A fruitful energy, which
        may
        > express itself for good or ill, manifests in this second sign of
        the
        > Zodiac. Its vice is inertia – peace at any price. Its virtue is a
        > successful, practical achievement bringing concrete results. The
        > Taurean feels much at home on the earth. The evolved Taurean
        > inwardly realizes that as the earth fructifies seeds and brings
        > plants to maturity, so the earthly body must become enclothed by
        the
        > higher, spiritual, heavenly man. He realizes that the earthly body
        > has office and existence as a temple of God.
        >
        > The Bull is indicative not only of great strength, but also of
        > extraordinary digestive powers. Metabolism is the mode of Taurus.
        A
        > marvelous expression of metabolism is found in the bovine species
        > which chews the cud, digesting, redigesting, assimilating, and
        > transmuting food into other forces. Similarly, must facts, ideas,
        > and experiences long be chewed upon, as cud, by Taurean souls,
        before
        > they are assimilated and resolved into new truth.
        >
        > Taurus represents the primordial desire-force that must be
        > transformed into the priceless possession of the perfected man
        doing
        > the will of the Father. In Taurus, man's desires must be
        transmuted
        > into spiritualised will. The physical must be used as the vehicle
        in
        > refining and raising the soul's quality. Indicating this verity,
        > there is, in addition to the symbol of the Bull, the picture of a
        > coiled serpent. Its folded coils reveal the latent, concentrated
        > energy and stored-up occult powers, held in silent, ready reserve,
        as
        > in a granary of peculiar power, gained in the harvests of many
        > earthly lives. The source of these powers is the soul, and their
        > force of manifestation is contingent upon love and purity.
        >
        > Taurus is seen then as a soul-source of power. Here is a magazine
        of
        > mighty moods, a reservoir as it were, of concealed, confined,
        > emotional force held in the bond of one great, intense feeling,
        which
        > is often released in that peculiar occult quality of prayer and
        > praise, which is true song. This sign rules the vocal cords and
        > gives expression to the voice, for the life of the larynx manifests
        > in Taurus, as well as the power of productive, physical labour, the
        > means of making money and gaining by means of material concerns and
        > the products of the earth.
        >
        > Occult forces are held here in storage, kept latent against the
        time,
        > or the life, when they will be needed and become active for other
        > earthly expressions of the Christed Ego. Just as the constellation
        > of Taurus is the greatest in the Zodiac, so too is the sign the
        > mighty reservoir for all of the faculties man has gained throughout
        > his various lives on earth. In this sign is the secret source of
        > storage. But, only those moving on the higher level of Christ-life
        > can tap this vast storehouse of occult supply. The service of this
        > intense sign is to sound out the senses and to build higher octaves
        > of soul quality. With deliberation Taurus takes hold of the
        physical
        > forces in man and, through earthly work, concretely manifests and
        > creates in such wise as to generate, from the Spirit within, a
        > heightened power of soul as a distillate.
        >
        > Insofar as physical forces are concerned, no sign exhibits greater
        > stolidity and solidity than Taurus. It rules finances and
        > foundations handling funds, and it gives the ability to earn and to
        > disburse money. More than any other sign, Taurus not only gives a
        > forte, but also much finesse in the transaction of financial
        affairs
        > and their management. Highly evolved Taureans, in their largess,
        may
        > be called doers of the bountiful. The practical power to earn
        money
        > and to energise activity through money and the concerns of physical
        > property is part of the expression and experience of Taurus. Its
        > natives invariably encounter intensely significant happenings
        > connected with money and property, which arrest attention and
        provide
        > spiritual lessons on the earth and after death.
        >
        > The purpose of planetary life and of repeated births of both man
        and
        > planet is to incorporate in man-in-the-making a new member, the
        Ego,
        > for which it was necessary to make the involutionary descent into
        > earthly density; now, there follows the evolutionary ascent into
        > spiritual realms, by way of the wisdom of love, both man and planet
        > being raised to the magnitude of the Sun-power itself. In this
        > process of densification, purification, and sublimation, perhaps
        the
        > most telling test and turning point occurs in the first earthy
        sign,
        > Taurus, which is also the first fixed sign of the Zodiac. For,
        true
        > to the ancient symbol of the coiled serpent, there lie concealed in
        > Taurus the profound depths of desire, which must be transmuted into
        > spiritualised will. Although the mood of matter becomes the
        manifest
        > mode of Taurus, these intensely physical experiences are being
        > proffered to the soul solely to lead the man to mastery, never to
        > master the man or subvert that in him which is spiritual. The
        > desires and rude strength, secretly concentrated in the Taurean,
        must
        > be touched by the magic of transmutation through the indwelling
        > Christ-Spirit, and the thinking must be lighted by Spirit-truth.
        > Otherwise, the principle of will will be at war with the desires of
        > these Taurean souls, and it will often run amuck in the world,
        until
        > such time as fleshly desires are transformed through true vision
        and
        > purity. The keynote and destiny of Taurus centers in the obedience
        > of the lower man to the higher, spiritualised self, the `Lord from
        > heaven'.
        >
        > The sum and substance of Taurus is not only the solid and the
        stolid,
        > and the power of patient persistence working into soul-spiritual
        > distillate or essence – this alchemy it does work – but also the
        > secret of sound and the utterance of speech; for Taurus manifests
        the
        > power to vocalize and to form and pronounce the word. True song
        > sounds forth from Taurus and often it gives the genius to set down
        > the harmonies of heaven, as we see in Beethoven, with the
        > compassionate warmth of Christ-love. The powerful composer of
        > heavenly harmonies, song, and symphonies, Johannes Brahms, had his
        > Sun in Taurus. In Franz Schubert, we also see Taurean power on the
        > Ascendant. Richard Wagner had his Sun, Ascendant, Venus and
        Mercury
        > in this sign of song Taurus.
        >
        > In the galaxy of opera stars and singers, we find a large number of
        > Taureans, for Taurus is the sign of the song and sound. We may say
        > again that true song is real prayer and praise to God, just as is
        the
        > song of the birds. And, as the song of the birds open buds on the
        > trees, so does the peculiar soul-spiritual energy in and behind
        > vocalized sound, when true, build the forces for the Spirit and
        open
        > the soul to the love of wisdom and truth, which is God. Sound,
        then,
        > as a source of soul forces, manifests in the sign Taurus as it
        > becomes audible in earthly, human tones. The quality and power of
        > human speech, as a creative, healing power, is perceived by the
        seer
        > as arising in the forces of fixed signs, but especially in this
        sign
        > of song and voice, Taurus, that brings it to a focus, as it were,
        and
        > gives it direction, its quality being sensed, if not heard, by the
        > timbre of the tone.
        >
        > He who hears the harmonies of heaven or senses the sound of the
        > zodiacal tones has come into union with God, with the voice of God,
        > and with his vision. Through intense meditation upon the Zodiac
        and
        > spiritual study of the stellar script, one is raised from the
        dead.
        > One rises out of the corpse of present–day convention, brain-bound
        > abstraction, and the lack of love to which they lead, as well as
        the
        > degenerating love of ease and self-indulgence that are the bane of
        > Taurus.
        >
        > Taureans suffer more from an over supply of strength than from its
        > paucity. They often give way to fear, and then laziness and self-
        > indulgence often beset them, which may lead to stagnation because
        of
        > their selfish love of ease. Such a regimen all too soon breaks
        down
        > the stamina of the body for lack of a natural, healthy, physical
        > activity and the absence of a mental-spiritual life. As Aries
        flies
        > outward from a center, in irradiating, flinging forces, in purely
        > centrifugal fashion wild with waste, so Taurus behaves in exactly
        the
        > opposite manner. It throws its forces into a center in centripetal
        > action. Aries is exhibitive and expressive; Taurus, inhibitive and
        > compressive. So persistent are the moods of emotion, so compressed
        > the feelings, that Taureans are faced with a collision of their
        > thought and their feelings. Thus, contradictory states are the
        > result, which often make the Taurean impossible to deal with. The
        > emotional forces become so conflicting and entangled with the
        thought
        > that the moods declare themselves in a sullen silence which is more
        > eloquent than speech. Undeveloped Taureans are to themselves and
        > often to others quite impossible, because of their torrential,
        > destructively dangerous emotion. Of the twelve senses, Taureans
        need
        > to develop the sense of thinking. This sense of thinking, when
        > rightly developed, can save them from their damaging emotional
        forces.
        >
        > Materialistic thinking, the mere intellect, tends to dominate the
        > Taureans, however, and they want nothing that cannot be set into
        > earthly concepts. The heaven of the Taureans would have to be a
        > glorified physical existence. To attain Ego-consciousness and
        > freedom, t was temporarily necessary for man to have his sight
        > limited to the earth and to earthly conditions. Now the time has
        > come when the human being must discover that he has within himself
        > the whole cosmos. The power of the cosmos, the Christ, is
        condensed
        > into a central focus in the man. This spiritual power must become
        > wise with love and add to his intellect the light of Spirit-truth,
        > which is the voice of the archetypal Christ-Ego within. It is the
        > voice that transcends the vocalization of sound in speech, the
        > Taurean instrument, which the intellectual person in this fixed
        sign
        > must learn to listen to and hear well if he would find the Christ
        in
        > himself, as well as the cosmic Christ in the Earth, for to hear the
        > Spirit sounding in one's self is to hear the greater voice and see
        > the higher vividly vital vision of the Lord of the Sun.
        >
        > The forces of will and of desire are held in latent potency in
        > Taurus, and they lie concealed and coiled within the soul,
        suppressed
        > and dammed back until some incident or provocation touches off the
        > fuse, firing up the pent-up power with the force of an explosion.
        It
        > takes much to goad a Taurean into excited action, but once the
        > boiling point is reached, he becomes furious and is actually beside
        > himself with rage, like a mad bull. If a Taurean can disengage
        > himself from his fixity, his interested is aroused, giving him an
        > ambition as great for the Spirit of truth. In the youthful years,
        > before his astral body is fully born at puberty, the Taurean shows
        a
        > beautiful meditative, contemplative mood of calm and quite
        kindness;
        > but, with the astral body matured and the blind brain merges with
        the
        > desires, the Bull's fixed forces are so aroused as to cast the
        > maturing youth into a state of defiance that is likely to remain
        > implacable. At this age, the force of opposing emotional moods
        > becomes evident and often devitalizing. The defiant and sensual
        > character, the stubborn moods and emotions, the contradictory and
        > often torrential elements in Taurus, can be redirected and
        transmuted
        > when they yield to the advice of someone they love or greatly
        admire.
        >
        > The paradox of passion and peace finds its expression in Taurus,
        for
        > with the quality of obedience and a nature that is trustful,
        > conservative, gentle, and kindhearted, there is combined at the
        same
        > time the fury of a vicious self-will, a stubborn recalcitrant
        spirit,
        > whose forces invariably matches the power of the opponent. But the
        > best avenue for Taureans is to find a release in song, music, and
        > art; And in this Venus sign, this forte is usually present. It is
        > true enough that most people have to learn that there is no goal
        but
        > God, but Taureans especially have to realise this fact on earth,
        > rather than in the realm of the dead, for far more can be done, and
        > faster progress be made, if this truth is recognized while the Ego
        > retains tenure of its physical body.
        >
        > A delightful sense of humour is of great help and happiness to
        > Taureans. One is carried more buoyantly through life with such a
        > quality of soul, for it enables one to maintain courage, and it
        helps
        > others to keep poised in trying days. The ability to see and to
        > enjoy the comical side of a situation is British. Taurus rules the
        > British Isles as a whole. There is no sense of the comical that
        > compares with this happy possession of the British, and when peril
        of
        > war oppresses, it seems to reach its highest expression. Such a
        > sense of humour may be traced in its psychic connection to
        optimism,
        > which subconsciously discerns an unseen higher light.
        >
        > Taurus is actually the very `soil' of the soul. It is a soil that
        is
        > rough, raw, and often rude, and it must be redeemed. This
        > regeneration invariably takes place through physical forces
        inherent
        > in earthly wealth, money, property, and all things included in the
        > economic life. Especially, the way the metabolism of the body
        > operates, creating a state of well-being as a result of the food
        > taken in, contributing to health and generating the forces required
        > to resist disease, is Taurean in its nature. In Aries is shaped
        the
        > unique personal destiny, the principle that founds the earthly
        form,
        > self-aware of its Egohood in its will-to-be-manifest. Aries is
        > the `sower' of the intellectual Gemini `seed' in the earthy
        substance
        > of Taurus, the `soil' that in a literal sense also provides the
        > elements needed for the growth of the higher kingdoms: plants,
        > animals, and man.
        >
        > Whereas Aries stands for the primal archetypal pattern of man,
        Taurus
        > signifies the primordial substance of the manifested self, which
        was
        > spoken into being `in the beginning' by the Word. Taurus holds the
        > synthesis of past lives as psychic inheritance and basic
        possession.
        > In this sign Taurus is the reservoir of forces, the storehouse of
        > past harvests, held as concentrated power; the quality of
        compression
        > and conservation is held over from past lives, to be retained
        > inherently. The truth about reincarnation – repeated lives on
        Earth –
        > becomes evident by observing men and women in their humanity, but
        it
        > is especially evident in Taureans who are able to release matured
        > forces long held in storage from the past. In Taurus, the forces
        of
        > past lives are either manifested on a higher octave of power, or
        the
        > Taurean is submerged by his own sense of suppression. In this
        > respect, we may point again to the ancient symbol of Taurus, the
        > coiled serpent, realizing that in Taurus lie concealed abysmal
        depths
        > of often searing but ever searching desire that ultimately must be
        > transmuted into will. It is the concealed quality, which we would
        > emphasise as the cause of conservation and concentration in this
        sign.
        >
        > What the world calls `practicality' is often said to be the trait
        > peculiar to Taureans, for they are usually people with a capacity
        to
        > collect the coin of the realm. It is their forte to deal with the
        > physical and financial, to make money, with some success, for their
        > lesson in evolution binds them to the energies of the earth. The
        > truly practical, however, is at the same time the spiritual.
        Today,
        > humanity suffers and civilization breaks down wherever this true,
        > spiritually real practicality is disregarded. The evolutionary
        task
        > of the Taureans is to acquire this power of the truly practical.
        > They are the souls that need to be `born again', theirs is the
        great
        > work to raise themselves to far higher octaves of consciousness, to
        > be regenerated and re-educated. And, according to their power of
        > will, their vision will vitalize their activities, refine their
        > souls, and elevate their minds, while their consciousness will be
        > heightened and vastly expanded. In Taurus one discovers in the end
        > that the only worthwhile possession is spiritual self-possession.
        >
        > It must be kept in mind that Taurus is a sign of great reserve and
        > retention, deep-rooted in the past. Taureans make concrete the
        > energies of the earth. Their forte is endurance; their vice is
        > obstinacy. Great reservoirs of energy can be tapped on need, and
        > then the strength, and often the obstinacy of the Bull, become
        > apparent. Extremely strong willed, they can be led by persuasion,
        > but never driven. These are the men who mould and make things;
        > manufacturers and builders. Although it is in the province of the
        > Aries souls to create the abstract idea, which they pioneer and
        > promote in their idealism and inspiration, it remains for the
        Taurean
        > actually to translate the idea into reality by moulding and giving
        > shape to matter. Thus, Aries idealises while Taurus realizes.
        Aries
        > is the architect, but Taurus the builder.
        >
        > Taurus is ruled by Venus, and so this sign is often a furnace of
        > affection, with strong healing forces, which make Taureans good
        > masseurs, doctors, nurses, etc. However, if we keep in mind the
        > negative Venusian quality of this sign, we may gain some insight
        into
        > what makes these natives sensuous if not sensual, given to worldly
        > pleasures and to venting their animal desires, very fond of food.
        Of
        > course, these habits obtain only in those living principally in
        their
        > desires, which then have full and sweeping rule over the true man,
        > the higher self. When, on the other hand, these souls turn to the
        > Spirit and walk on the way of will, they show vast powers of
        > concentration and a matchless perseverance. There is no sign that
        > may compare with Taurus for the storage of life forces; thus, its
        > vitality is great.
        >
        > If one studies Taurus, its place in the nativity, and the planets
        it
        > holds, and its ruler Venus, one sees behind the scenes of one's own
        > life its stored-up forces and qualities; these are the abilities,
        > faculties, and powers held in abeyance; and not active in this
        life,
        > at least not in the larger part of it, but sometimes expressed at
        the
        > end of life, as in the case of Swedenborg, whose Moon and Uranus
        were
        > conjunct in Taurus in his forth house, indicating the latter part
        of
        > life.
        >
        > When we think of Taurus, we think of the tremendous, and we realise
        > that this might constellation is the largest in the Zodiac, and at
        > the end of it are the Pleiades, a group of stars said to lead to
        bad
        > sight or blindness. Yet, whoever has Taurus dominate and has the
        > will to become wise, can generate the `oil' to light the lamp of
        his
        > soul, enabling him to see, for in this sign of latent occult power
        > lie concentrated the forces that bring illumination.
        >
        > Meditation on the Bull calls forth the picture of the Mithras Bull,
        > which was sacrificed so that the rider's development might be
        > furthered. As such, the Bull has become the token of complete
        > surrender and the zodiacal symbol for the Gospel of St. Luke, the
        > Gospel that, more than the others, speaks of love and compassion.
        > St. Luke presents Christ as a being who embodies who embodies self-
        > giving love, who conveys to the Earth the warmth of love that
        streams
        > through the universe from the exceedingly exalted beings, the
        > Seraphim. It is in St. Luke's Gospel 23:34,46, that we find the
        > words from the cross revealing the greatest depth of compassion and
        > love, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do",
        > and "Father, into thy hands I commend my Spirit", expressing
        > humility, devotion, and utmost surrender.
        >
        > ***
        >
      • carynlouise
        Well, the zodiac writings are not my words, of course. I must say here I do not write out the full script – would be too long – so it is edited and I try
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          Well, the zodiac writings are not my words, of course. I must say
          here I do not write out the full script – would be too long – so it
          is edited and I try fill in the just of it. I do admire these zodiac
          writings very much and thank John Jocelyn for his knowledgeable
          anthrosophical insight. When there is nothing of interest to read on
          the internet I tend to read these writings to stop me from going mad
          in frustration ;) After all; astronomy is what makes the world go
          round.

          So you a fiction writer, very good for soul expression. Yes, the
          genre is a certain style which may only suit certain people. Maybe
          those that sense darkness exists, within themselves, and go out to
          find it in order to relate to it. And once they find it they realize
          they don't want it (hopefully) and in a way it is a healing for them
          because at the end of day they make a choice. As to the choice made
          can only be determined by actions made in the world.

          You must have laughed at my response (cheeky!) It is good to have a
          laugh at the emotions it caused and the flurry of soul expression in
          return. I enjoy creativity very much and this is, to me, is letting
          the rose bloom instead of thinking why the rose blooms.

          The style of your writing is very Capricorn, the sign of initiation,
          and in hindsight we see the initiation which this lofty sign gives to
          others. The few people who I am close to are Capricorn and I sense
          the initiation they give to me through darkness of thought.

          My joy in life is dependent on or maybe rather the corner stone of my
          life is positive thinking (not wanting to sound melodramatic) but it
          makes my world, my cave, look at far better place in the beauty of
          creation. And with this the knowledge that creation is in the eye of
          the beholder.

          Getting back to astronomy, in my study of this subject, I have learnt
          each planet and each zodiac sign has a negative and a positive
          attribute and reaction. One tunes into either the positive or the
          negative which the sign and planet therein offers - all of which
          resides within humankind as the microcosm.

          The interesting thing, personally this is, it seems to be only two
          choices – the positive or the negative – nothing in between. It is
          either positive or it is negative as in electricity – it is either on
          or it is off. Now saying this, and after reading Steiner's writings
          on opposites, we understand to know love one must experience hate, to
          know hot one must have experienced cold. And so with this who gives
          the hate so people love and who gives the hot so people know cold.

          Ah, maybe the sign of Capricorn with Saturn it's mighty ruler ..
          maybe each negative side of a planet .. and if this is the case are
          we knowledgeable enough to understand it because for one to
          understand love is at the expense of someone's hatred. And to feel
          hate must be a very lonely and cold world.

          Will there come a time when only positive gives to positive – when
          love doesn't need hate to know love?

          Matthew, in your creative writing, your knowledge of both positive
          and negative is not a reflection on your personal outlook and what I
          have said above is not saying it is.

          The irony is in my understanding of spiritual science the billy
          stories did not make scientific sense (ah, the logical intuition of
          Rudolf Steiner)

          For one perceiving anything in the spiritual realms - that is in my
          understanding; conscious projection which shares a very fine line
          with dreaming. Through anthroposophy knowledge we understand either
          state is within oneself and what we perceive in these states is the
          within coming without. It is only relevant to individual experience
          and perception of what one has obtained through existence. I agree
          with this.

          However, I do think more anthroposophy study should be made in the
          area of - out of body experience - for me to study at least. Out of
          body experience is not a dreaming state, in my experience of -going
          out of body- it is real time, real place. I think I will start a new
          topic on this subject and hope to engage in comments and experiences
          in this phenomena called out of body experience.

          Matthew your post is appreciated; my heart can stop beating at a rate
          of 50 knots per second now! You … you .. unicorn you!

          Caryn :)
        • carynlouise
          I just want to add to this paragraph what I said; The style of your writing is very Capricorn, the sign of initiation, and in hindsight we see the initiation
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            I just want to add to this paragraph what I said;

            'The style of your writing is very Capricorn, the sign of initiation,
            and in hindsight we see the initiation which this lofty sign gives to
            others. The few people who I am close to are Capricorn and I sense
            the initiation they give to me through darkness of thought'.

            The darkness of thought in the people around me is depression and
            nothing otherwise.

            I just wanted to make myself clear on that statement.

            :)
          • Durward Starman
            ******* People with a strong influence from the Earth signs---- who have, in other words, a lot of what spirit science calls the Life Ether , the forces which
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              ******* People with a strong influence from the Earth signs---- who have, in
              other words, a lot of what spirit science calls the "Life Ether", the forces
              which individualize etheric archetypes into material objects (and which
              therefore bring one close to what Steiner called the Ahrimanic spirits)----
              manifest the Melancholic temperament, which makes them acutely aware
              (sometimes TOO aware) of the physical world. In the body, this means a
              strong feeling of the catabolic or "death" forces which produce the deadened
              cells we call nerves (Air signs rule these) and finally the almost
              completely deadened "mineral" forms of the skeleton. The sign Capricorn
              particularly is associated with these forces (it traditionally rules the
              skeleton). Hence the body is frequently felt as a weight one has to drag
              around, and there are the tendencies to depression, blackness, morbid
              preoccupation with death.

              In Waldorf Education there are some indications given for children &
              teenagers to keep the melancholic extreme from becoming too much: never
              allow them to withdraw alone into themselves, or to stay in darkness (e.g.,
              basement apartments), keep them away from alcohol (which can only ferment in
              darkness), guide them into friendships with sanguine or Airy
              temperaments----but also, let them study tragedies (like Romeo and Juliet,
              Cyrano de Bergerac etc.) because they KNOW the tragic side of life and have
              a need to experience it. It's no good saying "Hey, cheer up there" when they
              cannot be jollied out of their predelictions. And let them have SUGAR. Keep
              the Cholerics away from it, but let the melancholics have it.

              They are prematurely "old" and prematurely "incarnated": as children they
              are like little adults. The melancholic temperament not handled right leads
              to madness, but handled properly is the most fruitful of all: the parable of
              the Sower and the Seed is a story of the Four Temperaments, and it is the
              Earthy which is the best of all.

              One of the best, my old astronomy/projective geometry teacher Norman
              Davidson of Sunbridge College, was a Capricorn. He just passed on last
              month. Like John Jocelyn, his contributions to the renewal of astrology are
              well worth perusing.

              Dr. Starman
              www.DrStarman.com





              >From: "carynlouise" <carynlouise@...>
              >Reply-To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
              >To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
              >Subject: [steiner] Re: footnote to life
              >Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 11:59:09 -0000
              >
              >I just want to add to this paragraph what I said;
              >
              >'The style of your writing is very Capricorn, the sign of initiation,
              >and in hindsight we see the initiation which this lofty sign gives to
              >others. The few people who I am close to are Capricorn and I sense
              >the initiation they give to me through darkness of thought'.
              >
              >The darkness of thought in the people around me is depression and
              >nothing otherwise.
              >
              >I just wanted to make myself clear on that statement.
              >
              >:)
              >
              >
              >
              >

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            • Mathew Morrell
              Thanks for the informative posts, Starman and carynlouise. Great. I always wanted an astonomical reading. Spot on!
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                Thanks for the informative posts, Starman and carynlouise. Great. I
                always wanted an astonomical reading. Spot on!
              • carynlouise
                Great post on Capricorn Dr Starman – thanks. It is so true especially saying Capricorn needs to express the natural melancholy of earth which they feel
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                  Great post on Capricorn Dr Starman – thanks. It is so true
                  especially saying Capricorn needs to express the natural melancholy
                  of earth which they feel intensively. This expression shows truly
                  great creative minds who achieve a balance with the elemental forces
                  of air, water and fire together with the earth to produce great work.

                  Capricorns like Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Dante and Blake have left
                  us much evidence of this great creative mind at work.

                  Sir George Trevelyan and Edward Matchett in their work `Twelve Seats
                  at the Round Table' wrote development exercises for the Zodiac and
                  they say in Capricorn `wisdom of experience is here achieved' and
                  the purpose of Capricorn's exercise is `learning how to extend
                  nature's achievement'.

                  Nature is the primal creative force and many of the forms and
                  patterns which she uses are so far in advance of the mechanistic
                  quality of most of man's inventions that they can be a continual
                  source of revelation to us.

                  The `treasure of nature's knowledge' is to be found in the simplest
                  mechanisms as well as the balances inherent in whole bodies. The
                  lively and precious quality of life ever defies our expression as we
                  attempt to represent organic systems.

                  Yet it is this quality which illuminates the detailed study of
                  natural phenomena and can enter into our creations.

                  This exercise focuses on the elemental forces like – air, water,
                  wind, earth, fire and with contemplation on these elements tuning
                  into how their influence and presence permeates, encompasses and
                  interacts the life space.

                  Capricorn, this strange mythical beast half fish, half goat – what
                  does our imagining make of this? We can swim down to the depths of
                  the ocean, we can leap up the crags to the mountain peaks. We have
                  potential mastery of the whole compass of earth experience from the
                  deep unconscious to the heights of aspiration. Sequel to the Archer,
                  we would expect to reach an achievement which prepares us for
                  illumination. The sublimated energies are shaping higher man. Not
                  only must he overcome and accept the dying of the lower self in
                  Scorpio, but he must achieve mastery over the full range of the
                  emotional and mental world, having all acts, all passions in his ken
                  and having risen above their temptations. Hence rightly this is an
                  Earth sign, completing the triplicity with Taurus and Virgo.

                  The wisdom of experience is here achieved. The developed soul has a
                  monk-like quality, in which the consciousness is turned inwards in
                  preparation for the great change and awakening. The very shape of
                  the glyph suggests this introspection by turning back upon itself.
                  Thus it will be a lonely path. The ruler planet is Saturn. Chronos
                  holds the latent energy of growth, the life potential.

                  Capricorn stands opposite to Cancer and we have found that opposite
                  signs are complimentary to each other. Thus Cancer was the birth
                  sign of individualized man into the limitation of earth
                  consciousness. Capricorn is the birth sign of man into cosmic
                  consciousness. Here the highest type is Guatama Buddha, renouncing
                  the world for higher illumination.

                  Cancer ushered man into the world of senses. In Capricorn this world
                  has become a prison out of which he must escape to be reborn as super-
                  man in the world of Spirit. `Oh God I could be bounded in a nutshell
                  and count myself the King of infinite space'.
                  Through contemplation and turning inward he remembers his divine
                  origin and becomes conscious of it.

                  The high contemplative nature, looking on the passing world like the
                  melancholy Jacques, turns his vision inward, waiting for the coming
                  dawn. Here is the image of the monk in prayer upon his knees in his
                  secret sanctuary. Does this give a clue as to why, in the starry
                  archetype, Capricorn is associated with the knees? The full range of
                  human experience is known and mastered and the advanced soul under
                  Capricorn, attuned always to the Christ within, can safely move
                  through the depths of the emotional life (the ocean of the psyche)
                  and among the Luciferic temptations of higher thinking (the
                  mountain).

                  Thus through soul trail and ordeal he has qualified to receive the
                  Coming Light. His whole soul is now directed innerly to the goal of
                  illumination: `I have conquered the world'. Thus the character is
                  that of the introvert, pondering, working upon himself, and though he
                  may achieve high places of power and renown, he will rarely be
                  satisfied or really at home in them for his soul had undertaken the
                  inner quest.

                  (In dedication to Norman Davidson whom I did not know but sounds a
                  mighty fine man).

                  A Capricorn Knights contribution to the Round Table is;

                  Conscious Control, in each new moment linking needs and opportunities
                  with resources, and making certain that actions and results are those
                  required. This knight builds consciously on all previous
                  achievements of man and nature, employing scientific data and new
                  perceptions to the full. He strives for mastery over all of his own
                  thoughts and emotions and looks back continuously to check that
                  intentions have been realized. With each backwards-glance this
                  knight gains additional bearings and wisdom on which to build and
                  redirect efforts. It can be a highly intellectual pursuit.

                  So Matthew this is your Sun, your individuality, self assurance and
                  self reliance.

                  Further your;

                  Moon is in Aries
                  Mercury is in Capricorn
                  Venus is in Capricorn
                  Mars is in Pisces
                  Jupiter is in Scorpio
                  Saturn is in Taurus
                  Uranus is in Libra
                  Neptune is in Sagittarius
                  Pluto is in Virgo
                  Moon's North Node is in Pisces
                  Moon's South Node is in Virgo

                  If you like to know what the placements mean, just shout. I'm sure
                  between Dr Starman and myself we can look at one at a time. It is
                  good to have the time of birth; the ascendant, midheaven and house
                  placements are worked out from this time.

                  Nice weekend all.
                  Caryn

                  :)
                • Durward Starman
                  ... ******* Goethe was a Virgo (with Scorpio rising): Leonardo was Aries or Taurus, depending on which birth date you accept (old style calendar, before the
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                    ******* Just one correction....


                    >Capricorns like Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Dante and Blake have left
                    >us much evidence of this great creative mind at work.

                    ******* Goethe was a Virgo (with Scorpio rising): Leonardo was Aries or
                    Taurus, depending on which birth date you accept (old style calendar, before
                    the Gregorian, or after). I vote for Taurus myself.

                    Dr. Starman

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                    >From: "carynlouise" <carynlouise@...>
                    >Reply-To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
                    >To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
                    >Subject: [steiner] Re: Life & Capricorn
                    >Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:41:35 -0000
                    >
                    >Great post on Capricorn Dr Starman � thanks. It is so true
                    >especially saying Capricorn needs to express the natural melancholy
                    >of earth which they feel intensively. This expression shows truly
                    >great creative minds who achieve a balance with the elemental forces
                    >of air, water and fire together with the earth to produce great work.
                    >
                    >Capricorns like Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Dante and Blake have left
                    >us much evidence of this great creative mind at work.
                    >
                    >Sir George Trevelyan and Edward Matchett in their work `Twelve Seats
                    >at the Round Table' wrote development exercises for the Zodiac and
                    >they say in Capricorn `wisdom of experience is here achieved' and
                    >the purpose of Capricorn's exercise is `learning how to extend
                    >nature's achievement'.
                    >
                    >Nature is the primal creative force and many of the forms and
                    >patterns which she uses are so far in advance of the mechanistic
                    >quality of most of man's inventions that they can be a continual
                    >source of revelation to us.
                    >
                    >The `treasure of nature's knowledge' is to be found in the simplest
                    >mechanisms as well as the balances inherent in whole bodies. The
                    >lively and precious quality of life ever defies our expression as we
                    >attempt to represent organic systems.
                    >
                    >Yet it is this quality which illuminates the detailed study of
                    >natural phenomena and can enter into our creations.
                    >
                    >This exercise focuses on the elemental forces like � air, water,
                    >wind, earth, fire and with contemplation on these elements tuning
                    >into how their influence and presence permeates, encompasses and
                    >interacts the life space.
                    >
                    >Capricorn, this strange mythical beast half fish, half goat � what
                    >does our imagining make of this? We can swim down to the depths of
                    >the ocean, we can leap up the crags to the mountain peaks. We have
                    >potential mastery of the whole compass of earth experience from the
                    >deep unconscious to the heights of aspiration. Sequel to the Archer,
                    >we would expect to reach an achievement which prepares us for
                    >illumination. The sublimated energies are shaping higher man. Not
                    >only must he overcome and accept the dying of the lower self in
                    >Scorpio, but he must achieve mastery over the full range of the
                    >emotional and mental world, having all acts, all passions in his ken
                    >and having risen above their temptations. Hence rightly this is an
                    >Earth sign, completing the triplicity with Taurus and Virgo.
                    >
                    >The wisdom of experience is here achieved. The developed soul has a
                    >monk-like quality, in which the consciousness is turned inwards in
                    >preparation for the great change and awakening. The very shape of
                    >the glyph suggests this introspection by turning back upon itself.
                    >Thus it will be a lonely path. The ruler planet is Saturn. Chronos
                    >holds the latent energy of growth, the life potential.
                    >
                    >Capricorn stands opposite to Cancer and we have found that opposite
                    >signs are complimentary to each other. Thus Cancer was the birth
                    >sign of individualized man into the limitation of earth
                    >consciousness. Capricorn is the birth sign of man into cosmic
                    >consciousness. Here the highest type is Guatama Buddha, renouncing
                    >the world for higher illumination.
                    >
                    >Cancer ushered man into the world of senses. In Capricorn this world
                    >has become a prison out of which he must escape to be reborn as super-
                    >man in the world of Spirit. `Oh God I could be bounded in a nutshell
                    >and count myself the King of infinite space'.
                    >Through contemplation and turning inward he remembers his divine
                    >origin and becomes conscious of it.
                    >
                    >The high contemplative nature, looking on the passing world like the
                    >melancholy Jacques, turns his vision inward, waiting for the coming
                    >dawn. Here is the image of the monk in prayer upon his knees in his
                    >secret sanctuary. Does this give a clue as to why, in the starry
                    >archetype, Capricorn is associated with the knees? The full range of
                    >human experience is known and mastered and the advanced soul under
                    >Capricorn, attuned always to the Christ within, can safely move
                    >through the depths of the emotional life (the ocean of the psyche)
                    >and among the Luciferic temptations of higher thinking (the
                    >mountain).
                    >
                    >Thus through soul trail and ordeal he has qualified to receive the
                    >Coming Light. His whole soul is now directed innerly to the goal of
                    >illumination: `I have conquered the world'. Thus the character is
                    >that of the introvert, pondering, working upon himself, and though he
                    >may achieve high places of power and renown, he will rarely be
                    >satisfied or really at home in them for his soul had undertaken the
                    >inner quest.
                    >
                    >(In dedication to Norman Davidson whom I did not know but sounds a
                    >mighty fine man).
                    >
                    >A Capricorn Knights contribution to the Round Table is;
                    >
                    >Conscious Control, in each new moment linking needs and opportunities
                    >with resources, and making certain that actions and results are those
                    >required. This knight builds consciously on all previous
                    >achievements of man and nature, employing scientific data and new
                    >perceptions to the full. He strives for mastery over all of his own
                    >thoughts and emotions and looks back continuously to check that
                    >intentions have been realized. With each backwards-glance this
                    >knight gains additional bearings and wisdom on which to build and
                    >redirect efforts. It can be a highly intellectual pursuit.
                    >
                    >So Matthew this is your Sun, your individuality, self assurance and
                    >self reliance.
                    >
                    >Further your;
                    >
                    >Moon is in Aries
                    >Mercury is in Capricorn
                    >Venus is in Capricorn
                    >Mars is in Pisces
                    >Jupiter is in Scorpio
                    >Saturn is in Taurus
                    >Uranus is in Libra
                    >Neptune is in Sagittarius
                    >Pluto is in Virgo
                    >Moon's North Node is in Pisces
                    >Moon's South Node is in Virgo
                    >
                    >If you like to know what the placements mean, just shout. I'm sure
                    >between Dr Starman and myself we can look at one at a time. It is
                    >good to have the time of birth; the ascendant, midheaven and house
                    >placements are worked out from this time.
                    >
                    >Nice weekend all.
                    >Caryn
                    >
                    >:)
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >

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                    ... ******* Just one correction.... Capricorns like Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Dante and Blake have left us much evidence of this great creative mind at work.
                    Message 9 of 17 , May 12, 2007
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                      --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Durward Starman" <DrStarman@...> wrote:

                      ******* Just one correction....

                      Capricorns like Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Dante and Blake have left
                      us much evidence of this great creative mind at work.

                      ******* Goethe was a Virgo (with Scorpio rising): Leonardo was Aries or
                      Taurus, depending on which birth date you accept (old style calendar,
                      before the Gregorian, or after). I vote for Taurus myself.

                      Dr. Starman

                      ***

                      Thanks for your reply Dr Starman. The interesting thing in Sir George
                      Trevelyan's & Edward Matchett's work in 'Twelve Seats at the Round
                      Table' they were not talking about the above people's Sun Sign but the
                      place of their North Node. Except Blake where his North Node is in Leo
                      and his Capricorn is in Venus. Possibly they placed Blake with the
                      other greats to show the romance which Capricorn may experience and
                      evident in Blake's work?

                      The Moon's North and South Node's are extremely interesting in a
                      birthchart and from my understanding these Nodes represent : South what
                      one is moving away from - North is what one is moving toward.

                      It is also thought the South Node is the entry point at birth and the
                      north Node is the exist point after earth life.

                      Another thought is the Moon's Nodes represent the Karma brought with
                      and the Karma resolved.

                      The Moon's Nodes are also known as the North: Dragon's Head and South:
                      Dragon's Tail. And we read Fred Gettings;

                      Dragon's Head
                      the north node of the Moon, the point where this body crosses the
                      ecliptic to begin its northward journey. The term, originally Caput
                      Draconis in traditional astrology (though with several variants), was
                      derived from the link made between the Sphere of the Moon and the
                      celestial Dragon forces: the Dragon was imagined as being curled
                      around the Earth, in symbol of the lunar sphere. It is said that the
                      eclipses were explained in terms of this celestial dragon swallowing
                      the Sun and then regurgitating it. The Dragon's Head is undoubtedly a
                      most powerful nodal point in the horoscope, though it is one usually
                      made efficacious only by transits and progressions. It is said to have
                      the equivalent nature of Jupiter and Venus, though some astrologers
                      insist that when touched by directions it releases into the life of the
                      native benefits due from karma.

                      So, it is interesting the authors of the 12 seats remark on the great
                      creative mind's north node (except Blake!)

                      It is interesting the un-clarity on Dante's Sun Sign. If we had to
                      look at how money affected his life we might be able to confirm Taurus.

                      The birthcharts of:

                      Johann Wolfgang von Goethe : 28 August 1749 – 22 March 1832 : Virgo
                      Capricorn: North Node

                      http://sidesearch.lycos.com/?page=0&query=goethe+birth%
                      2Bchart&hurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftmsyn.wc.ask.com%2Fr%3Ft%3Dan%26s%3Dju%26uid%
                      3D2c636cae2c636cae2%26sid%3D3c636cae2c636cae2%26o%3D0%26qid%
                      3DD430871705978FE8CF9E60E68F421069%26io%3D8%26sv%3D0a300588%26ask%
                      3Dsite%253Atripod.com%2Bgoethe%2Bbirth%252Bchart%26uip%3Dc636cae2%26en%
                      3Dte%26eo%3D7%26pt%3DThe%2BVertex%2Bastrology%2Buranian%2Bcosmobiology%
                      2Bmidpoints%26ac%3D18%26qs%3D121%26pg%3D1%26u%3Dhttp%3A%2F%
                      2Fmembers.tripod.com%2Fjunojuno2%2Fvertex.htm


                      Leonardo da Vinci : 15 April 1452 – 2 May 1519 : Aries
                      Capricorn : North Node

                      http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/daVinciLeonardo.htm


                      Dante Alighieri : 14 May/13 June 1265 – 13/14 September 1321 : Aries?
                      Taurus?
                      Capricorn : North Node

                      http://www.astrologyinstitute.com/Articles/chart_dante2.htm
                      http://www.astrologyinstitute.com/Articles/chart_dante1.htm


                      William Blake : 28 November 1757 – 12 August 1827 : Sagittarius
                      Capricorn : Venus
                      North Node : Leo

                      http://www.dominantstar.com/3William_Blake.gif


                      Best regards
                      Caryn
                    • carynlouise
                      ... and Rudolf Steiner s North Node is in Capricorn ... now there s a thing amazing! Dr Starman; I ve come across three conflicting birth dates for Rudolf - 1.
                      Message 10 of 17 , May 14, 2007
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                        ... and Rudolf Steiner's North Node is in Capricorn ...

                        now there's a thing amazing!

                        Dr Starman; I've come across three conflicting birth dates for
                        Rudolf -

                        1. 27 February 1861
                        http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA008/English/RPC1961/GA008_sketch.html

                        2. 2 February 1861
                        http://www.rsarchive.org/Links/out_frame.php?
                        PHPSESSID=03df36df7ed64d505614731993359c6a&ID=124

                        3. 25 February 1861
                        http://www.rsarchive.org/Forums/view.php?
                        bn=eliboard&key=1020471720&first=&last=1007776636&here

                        I have always thought the 27th - Pisces. Of course the 2nd would
                        make him an Aquarian.

                        mmm maybe the 2nd is a typo error?

                        It doesn't change the North Node position though;
                        http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/1800/feb1861gmt.shtml


                        (just like to add here, my huge respects to the Rudolf Steiner
                        Archive - you are great)
                      • carynlouise
                        I see the links for 2. & 3. don t open .. here we are - http://www.rsarchive.org/Forums/view.php? bn=eliboard&key=1020471720&first=&last=1007776636&here=
                        Message 11 of 17 , May 14, 2007
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                          I see the links for 2. & 3. don't open .. here we are -

                          http://www.rsarchive.org/Forums/view.php?
                          bn=eliboard&key=1020471720&first=&last=1007776636&here=


                          http://www.rsarchive.org/Links/out_frame.php?
                          PHPSESSID=03df36df7ed64d505614731993359c6a&ID=124
                        • Durward Starman
                          *******Yes, it s a typo, Feb. 2. And the 25th date is because some people later found out the 27th was the day Steiner was baptized, so they figured he must
                          Message 12 of 17 , May 14, 2007
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                            *******Yes, it's a typo, Feb. 2. And the 25th date is because some people
                            later found out the 27th was the day Steiner was baptized, so they figured
                            he must have been born a few days earlier: but actually he was so weak when
                            born that they gave him an emergency baptism the same day. He cast his chart
                            himself and had the 27th as the day. 13 degrees Scorpio rising, by the way.
                            As anyone could tell by the eyes and eyebrows.

                            The North Node takes about a year and a half to go around the zodiac, so
                            it's in the same sign for a month and a half.

                            Dr. Starman

                            www.DrStarman.com





                            >From: "carynlouise" <carynlouise@...>
                            >Reply-To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
                            >To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
                            >Subject: [steiner] Re: Life & Capricorn
                            >Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:25:14 -0000
                            >
                            >... and Rudolf Steiner's North Node is in Capricorn ...
                            >
                            >now there's a thing amazing!
                            >
                            >Dr Starman; I've come across three conflicting birth dates for
                            >Rudolf -
                            >
                            >1. 27 February 1861
                            >http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA008/English/RPC1961/GA008_sketch.html
                            >
                            >2. 2 February 1861
                            >http://www.rsarchive.org/Links/out_frame.php?
                            >PHPSESSID=03df36df7ed64d505614731993359c6a&ID=124
                            >
                            >3. 25 February 1861
                            >http://www.rsarchive.org/Forums/view.php?
                            >bn=eliboard&key=1020471720&first=&last=1007776636&here
                            >
                            >I have always thought the 27th - Pisces. Of course the 2nd would
                            >make him an Aquarian.
                            >
                            >mmm maybe the 2nd is a typo error?
                            >
                            >It doesn't change the North Node position though;
                            >http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/1800/feb1861gmt.shtml
                            >
                            >
                            >(just like to add here, my huge respects to the Rudolf Steiner
                            >Archive - you are great)
                            >
                            >

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                            ... *******Yes, it s a typo, Feb. 2. And the 25th date is because some people later found out the 27th was the day Steiner was baptized, so they figured he
                            Message 13 of 17 , May 14, 2007
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                              --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Durward Starman" <DrStarman@...> wrote:

                              *******Yes, it's a typo, Feb. 2. And the 25th date is because some
                              people later found out the 27th was the day Steiner was baptized, so
                              they figured he must have been born a few days earlier: but actually he
                              was so weak when born that they gave him an emergency baptism the same
                              day. He cast his chart himself and had the 27th as the day. 13 degrees
                              Scorpio rising, by the way. As anyone could tell by the eyes and
                              eyebrows. The North Node takes about a year and a half to go around the
                              zodiac, so it's in the same sign for a month and a half.

                              Dr. Starman

                              www.DrStarman.com

                              ~~~

                              Thanks for clarity on Rudolf Steiner's birth date. Goethe is also
                              Scorpio rising - the Eagle :)

                              What a glorious day the 27th Feb 1861 was that this humble but
                              magnificent man Rudolf Steiner was born.

                              Gloria.

                              ~~~
                            • carynlouise
                              (My apologies if it seems im flooding the board!) Sir George Trevelyan & Edward Matchett `Twelve Seats at the Round Table Zodiac Development Exercise Taurus
                              Message 14 of 17 , May 15, 2007
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                                (My apologies if it seems im flooding the board!)

                                Sir George Trevelyan & Edward Matchett `Twelve Seats at the Round
                                Table' Zodiac Development Exercise

                                Taurus

                                Undifferentiated Receptivity

                                Purpose of exercise: Learning to put all of life's experiences to
                                more positive and meaningful use.

                                `Little Jack Horner
                                Sat in a corner,
                                Eating his Christmas pie.
                                He put in his thumb
                                And pulled out a plum,
                                And said, What a good boy am I'

                                Jack Horner seems a little overpleased with himself, but nothing of
                                significance can be achieved without collecting and valuing the
                                fruits of the past, and making them secure for further use. It is
                                particularly important that the highlights of one's experiences and
                                attainments become the stepping stones to new levels of endeavour and
                                achievement.

                                Reflect on your whole range of life experiences and attainments and
                                choose twenty or so moments from this whole pageant of life, when you
                                were conscious of a greater richness of content, a higher level or
                                quality of insight and/or attainment than at other times. Hopefully
                                certain of these moments will be associated with actual personal
                                achievements, but it is neither necessary nor desirable that all of
                                them should be.

                                Discriminate very carefully, replacing some potential candidates with
                                others until you possess a mental snap-shot album of twenty items
                                that you believe to be especially important. In making your final
                                selection take care that these memories are not all of one kind.
                                They should be a balanced feast of the fruits of life.

                                Having made your selection dwell on them long and often. Write down
                                your thoughts and feelings about these matters and keep extending the
                                depth of detail and the intimacy of observation. Do not concern
                                yourself with how this material is to enter into new creations that
                                you will produce. Simply select your fruit and let it find it's own
                                way into the `Christmas pudding'.

                                Whenever you decide to repeat this exercise, make a determined effort
                                to locate examples and aspects of your work and experiences where
                                some new `high' has been savoured, especially where this is in an
                                altogether new direction. But do not then neglect the earlier
                                treasures. Simply process these further until you gain yet further
                                insights concerning them, and a renewed sense of their importance and
                                value. Always take care to continue the processing until there is a
                                clear knowledge of what you are valuing.

                                Taurus's contribution to the Round Table-

                                Intelligent Openness, to self, to other people, the total problem
                                situation and whole range of life-experiences to find help, energy
                                and inspiration for the task in hand. No experience is too
                                insignificant and no realm too vast, exalted or obscure to be
                                obtained in the work which this knight has to perform.

                                ***
                              • carynlouise
                                Johann Wolfgang von Goethe : 28 August 1749 – 22 March 1832 : Virgo Capricorn: North Node Leonardo da Vinci : 15 April 1452 – 2 May 1519 : Aries
                                Message 15 of 17 , May 28, 2007
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                                  Johann Wolfgang von Goethe : 28 August 1749 – 22 March 1832 : Virgo
                                  Capricorn: North Node

                                  Leonardo da Vinci : 15 April 1452 – 2 May 1519 : Aries
                                  Capricorn : North Node

                                  Dante Alighieri : 14 May/13 June 1265 – 13/14 September 1321 : Aries?
                                  Taurus?
                                  Capricorn : North Node

                                  Rudolf Steiner : 27 February 1861 : Pisces
                                  Capricorn : North Node

                                  --- I have been contemplating why we were shown the above great
                                  people's North Nodes in Capricorn. Reading part of Alice Bailey's
                                  Capricorn account in Fred Gettings Astrology; may add further -

                                  Gate of Death - name applied to the sign Capricorn, sometimes to the
                                  Sphere of Saturn. In esoteric astrology it is said that the soul in
                                  its post mortem experience aspires to travel to the Sphere of Saturn,
                                  which marks the boundaries of time, and it is almost certain this
                                  association which gives rise to the term. Equally, since Cancer is
                                  associated with the Gate of Birth, it is probable that, by virtue of
                                  being the extreme polarity of this sign, Capricorn was by extension
                                  associated with death, as the Throne of that Planet which marked the
                                  end of time. (See, also Crocodile) In her account of esoteric
                                  astrology, Bailey says that the sign Capricorn has been recognized down
                                  the ages as the 'doorway into life of those who know not death'.

                                  ****
                                • Durward Starman
                                  Interesting to me as I also have the North Node in Capricorn. Starman www.DrStarman.com ... _________________________________________________________________
                                  Message 16 of 17 , Jun 6, 2007
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                                    Interesting to me as I also have the North Node in Capricorn.

                                    Starman

                                    www.DrStarman.com





                                    >From: "carynlouise" <carynlouise@...>
                                    >Reply-To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
                                    >To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
                                    >Subject: [steiner] Re: Life & Capricorn
                                    >Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 09:48:02 -0000
                                    >
                                    >Johann Wolfgang von Goethe : 28 August 1749 � 22 March 1832 : Virgo
                                    >Capricorn: North Node
                                    >
                                    >Leonardo da Vinci : 15 April 1452 � 2 May 1519 : Aries
                                    >Capricorn : North Node
                                    >
                                    >Dante Alighieri : 14 May/13 June 1265 � 13/14 September 1321 : Aries?
                                    >Taurus?
                                    >Capricorn : North Node
                                    >
                                    >Rudolf Steiner : 27 February 1861 : Pisces
                                    >Capricorn : North Node
                                    >
                                    >--- I have been contemplating why we were shown the above great
                                    >people's North Nodes in Capricorn. Reading part of Alice Bailey's
                                    >Capricorn account in Fred Gettings Astrology; may add further -
                                    >
                                    >Gate of Death - name applied to the sign Capricorn, sometimes to the
                                    >Sphere of Saturn. In esoteric astrology it is said that the soul in
                                    >its post mortem experience aspires to travel to the Sphere of Saturn,
                                    >which marks the boundaries of time, and it is almost certain this
                                    >association which gives rise to the term. Equally, since Cancer is
                                    >associated with the Gate of Birth, it is probable that, by virtue of
                                    >being the extreme polarity of this sign, Capricorn was by extension
                                    >associated with death, as the Throne of that Planet which marked the
                                    >end of time. (See, also Crocodile) In her account of esoteric
                                    >astrology, Bailey says that the sign Capricorn has been recognized down
                                    >the ages as the 'doorway into life of those who know not death'.
                                    >
                                    >****
                                    >
                                    >

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                                    ... wrote: Interesting to me as I also have the North Node in Capricorn. Starman www.DrStarman.com From: carynlouise Reply-To:
                                    Message 17 of 17 , Jun 7, 2007
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                                      --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Durward Starman" <DrStarman@...>
                                      wrote:

                                      Interesting to me as I also have the North Node in Capricorn.

                                      Starman

                                      www.DrStarman.com



                                      From: "carynlouise" <carynlouise@...>
                                      Reply-To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
                                      To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: [steiner] Re: Life & Capricorn
                                      Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 09:48:02 -0000

                                      Johann Wolfgang von Goethe : 28 August 1749 – 22 March 1832 : Virgo
                                      Capricorn: North Node

                                      Leonardo da Vinci : 15 April 1452 – 2 May 1519 : Aries
                                      Capricorn : North Node

                                      Dante Alighieri : 14 May/13 June 1265 – 13/14 September 1321 :
                                      Aries? Taurus?
                                      Capricorn : North Node

                                      Rudolf Steiner : 27 February 1861 : Pisces
                                      Capricorn : North Node

                                      --- I have been contemplating why we were shown the above great
                                      people's North Nodes in Capricorn. Reading part of Alice Bailey's
                                      Capricorn account in Fred Gettings Astrology; may add further -
                                      Gate of Death - name applied to the sign Capricorn, sometimes to the
                                      Sphere of Saturn. In esoteric astrology it is said that the soul in
                                      its post mortem experience aspires to travel to the Sphere of Saturn,
                                      which marks the boundaries of time, and it is almost certain this
                                      association which gives rise to the term. Equally, since Cancer is
                                      associated with the Gate of Birth, it is probable that, by virtue of
                                      being the extreme polarity of this sign, Capricorn was by extension
                                      associated with death, as the Throne of that Planet which marked the
                                      end of time. (See, also Crocodile) In her account of esoteric
                                      astrology, Bailey says that the sign Capricorn has been recognized
                                      down the ages as the 'doorway into life of those who know not death'.

                                      ****

                                      There's a thing! It is an interesting placement. Starman you right
                                      to say we shouldn't discuss politics - it only gets everybody in a
                                      tizz and we should leave it to the politicians - we'll find far more
                                      answers in the heavens!

                                      We should all try get on finding common ground in the Zodiac - maybe
                                      Stephen's North Node is also in Capricorn! Matthew's North Node is in
                                      Pisces - there's a thing! My North Node is in Gemini :) Now this
                                      means .. erm what does this mean!

                                      I realise in my Venus Transit post - the RS link talks about the
                                      Transit but not the Venus consciousness. This link does:

                                      http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA011/CM/GA011_c13.html;mark=218,22,27#W
                                      N_mark
                                      Cosmic Memory
                                      The Earth and Its Future

                                      I wonder if this has to do with the coming of the Sun in the vernal
                                      equinox of Aquarius?
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