Re: [steiner] David Wilcock
- Never heard about D. Wilcock in France, but all this sounds like a new new-age to me. First new age idea were brought to public by shirlay Mc layne if I remember. We were spoking about spirituality and misticism more than historical and teological believes.As Jesus is the Prophet telling Truth of God for muslim, and as he is the son of God for chirstians I may have passed into the spiritual world as Steiner said and why not still working through humanity in a human form. Isn't he God after all ? This argument could make sense with these new new-age ideas but I thing we are out of the spiritual terrain and practice. Who in this list would say he can see the spiritual world and explain it ? We still working on ideas, concepts, and believes.This kind of new new-age won't give spriritual faculty to this humanity, unless poeple take the will to change. Cause Will and action is the basis of spiritual vision (It exist an Action yoga in india - Yoga simply means "method"). Even I spent 2 years studying teology, and reading about 200steiner books, doing also 2y of exercises I really can tell nothing about Chirst : Maybe as the disciple I met him but I did not undrestant Who he was...See you every night in the spiritual world !
Mathew Morrell <tma4cbt@...> wrote:Why would Jesus feel the need to marry Mary Magdalene and move to
France to live the earthly, temporal life of a normal man---as David
Theologically that seems contradictory considering Jesus was a man
raised to the level of God. He and the Father were One when Christ
ascended to heaven from the Mount of Olives, "disappearing in a
cloud." From these clouds, the Etheric Realm, he governs the
evolution of mankind by filling the heart of man with His divine
spirit. In other words, He isn't having sex with former disciples
and apostles. That type of behavior would be more in line with Bill
Clinton, not Jesus.
The inability of the New Age to experience the Etheric Christ has led
to erroneous aspersions about the nature of Christ. In the New Age---
which continually seeks to materialize The Christ into a temporal,
human figure---Jesus- as-Son theology is rejected. Instead of a
spiritual vision of Christ, the New Age embraces Jesus on a
materialistic level that they can comprehend. The fundamentalist New
Age sees Jesus more as a prophet; not Jesus the Redeemer, but Jesus
as social liberator; not Jesus, the guide of human evolution, but
Jesus as wise man. The Son is a clear theological contradiction
within Islam, and also a contradiction within the evolving theology
developing organically within fundamentalist New Age churches.
"Those who say: 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a
monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
split asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should
ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of
Mercy to beget one!" [Koran 19:88]
The theology of Islam stresses the complete otherness and
transcendence of God so where God's direct involvement in the world
would be unthinkable- --even blasphemous. Saying God is apart of
world, by bringing forth a son, would within Islam be the same as
saying God is "of the world", which is a distinctly non-Magian, non-
Muslim, non-New Age thought. Heaven and the world are separated by
the impenetrable wall of dualism. Satan is of the world, not God.
Most Christians, on the other hand, consider the Son-as-God theology
as Testimony of God's divine love---a love that is discontent only to
bless His creation outside of life; the Christian God is an intricate
part of life, the Living God that is involved in the Created Order.
God sanctified humanity "from within" through His Son.
Muslims believe that a historical Jesus existed in first century
Palestine. Their own holy book states Jesus was born to the Virgin
Mary, that he ministered, healed the sick, and that he was "lifted"
up by God. According to the Koran, it was Jews and Christians who
misrepresented, and lied, about the events that transpire in the
Bible. "The Jews say Ezra is the son of God, while the Christians say
the Messiah is the son of God. Such are their assertions, by which
they imitate the infidels of old. God confound them! How perverse
they are?" [Koran 9:30]
Muslims also believe that the crucifixion was a hoax. Jesus did not
die on the cross, according to the Koran. Rather it was someone
posing as him who died. The book Holy Blood, Holy Grail makes the
same assertion, and has been dramatized in fictional-form into a book
called The Da Vinci Code, which was made into a movie starring Tom
Hanks. It would be impossible to underestimate the influence that
these books have had on the New Age movement, and on Christian
churches growing increasingly dissatisfied with Jesus-as-Son theology.
In the New Age, Jesus was the metaphysical "superman" who preached
love, peace, tolerance and pacifism, but is not our Savior, not an
inter-dimensional vehicle for our personal Salvation. More and more,
the New Age is being defined by The Da Vinci Code, and Holy Blood,
Holy Grail, two powerful works that achieve far-reaching conclusions
concerning Jesus' nature. We can summate these conclusions as
follows. Jesus did not die on the cross. He survived the crucifixion,
married Mary Magdalene, had offspring, and lived in Western Europe.
His blood line gave birth to the Merovingian line of royalty. This
blood line is the Holy Grail, guarded by the Templars.
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- This is an example of internet 'new age' cosmology
"the son of god did not wish us to get the wrong impression that he
was the only son of god and that therefore his love was greater while
we were of the lessor. he wished to say we are all the sons and
daughters of god as one. the father is in us because we cannot be
separated from the cosmic matter of which our being utilizes and his
the same. we are now potentualizing as promised, so that he does not
have to be the "only" son of god. He doesn't want to carry all that
weight anymore and needs us to awaken the masses away from the
Written by a 57 year old women who brainwashes the minds of young
posters into believing Christ 'was just an ordinary man'. She
craftly twists truth with copy tactics and the younger set think she
is very cool. She also believes she has a pre-signed contract with
aliens and if you ask them nicely 'they won't operate on you'. She
also says the only good thing about the Bible is we will be able to
Aaah I cannot stand it, I have got to the point I feel like picking
up my laptop and smashing it against the wall because of the above
trash. It was the only other forum I wrote on besides this one and
have decided - let the blind lead the blind - I'm out of there. I
think the internet is a cesspool for propaganda brainwash.
Someone once remarked the Library of Alexandria is now on the
internet - and it made me think of a certain writing I came across in
a book 'the time will come when only the truth will be spoken'.
How long do we have to suffer this kind of trash on the internet, I
Indeed, the sacred site of Solomon's Temple has squatters on it.
- --- In email@example.com, Hithcalen <hithcalen@...> wrote:
>new new-age to me. >
> Never heard about D. Wilcock in France, but all this sounds like a
> Mathew Morrell <tma4cbt@...> wrote:France to live the earthly, temporal life of a normal man---as David
> Why would Jesus feel the need to marry Mary Magdalene and move to
Hello Hithcalen and Everyone,
Believe that Wilcock mentioned this theme in his commentary of
motives at wk in his presentation of material about the Illuminati
and the role of the new documentary that James Cameron is behind (re-
Tomb of Jesus found,etc). Note: to report does not mean to agree with.
I joined this group in Nov and there is some discussion about Wilcock
in those earlier posts.
Wilcock is a contemporary teacher who uses "The Law of One" as a
base. Yes, "New Age" material channeled in early 80's, w/claims to be
from a higher density group mind from Venus. Am exploring
similarities since both "One" and "Steiner" emphasize planetary
development, the entire creation, black and white magician paths.
Matthew is correct that "Law of One" does not go into the kind of
detail that Dr. Steiner does about Christ (for example, blood and
impact on further evolution, in exactly the same way). Jesus Christ
is not denied.
Posted a quote fr Dr. Steiner and NO EXPLANATION given as to why not
allowed,(in accord with core truth in "One" literature) about pure
love as the fundamental force that streams continuously.
Maybe some will read about former Illuminati member Svali and ritual
abuse, amd know why attempt to share quote about luciferic and
ahrimanic forces fr Steiner(in same discourse about pure love), but
since that post did NOT make it, I prob won't make it here either.
Will miss offerings and potential hoped would be present.
Gina Cerminara's book "Insights for the Age of Aquarius" uses the
tenets of general semantics and asks serious questions about our
understanding of spiritual matters.
Read w/horror about religious persecution and attempts at the "True
Meaning". Thank-you Gina, yours is a "Handbook for religious
sanity".It has saved mine.
Ex fr "Law of One":
Question: "Is all of the Earth's human population then originally
Answer: "This is a new line of questioning and deserves a place of
its own. The ones who were harvested to your sphere from the sphere
known before its dissolution as other names, but to your peoples as
Maldek, incarnated, many within your Earth's surface rather than upon
it. The population of your planet contains many various groups
harvested from other second dimension and cycled third dimension
spheres. You are not all one race or background of beginning."
"This light of love was made to have certain characteristics, among
them the infinite whole paradoxically described by the spiraling
straight line, as you would call it. This paradox is responsible for
the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar
systems, galaxies, and planets of revolving and tending towards the
"It is correct that there is a correlation between the energy field
of an entity of your nature and planetary bodies, for all matter is
constructed by means of the dynamic tension of the magnetic field.
Thus positive and negative wind and interweave forming geometric
relationships in the fields of both persons, as you would call a
mind/body/spirit complex and planets."
Much celestial knowledge. May we all be seekers of this pure
love that Dr. Steiner and Law of One speak -