RE: [steiner] 12 Holy Nights/ The Planets as Planes
- *******It's typical of Dr. Steiner that he puts the key to the understanding
of the whole solar system and astrology in a footnote to Occult Science. He
says that in this solar system some beings needed to stay behind at the
Saturn state so a planet was prepared for them, namely Saturn... while the
beings that are already experiencing the Jupiter state are in Jupiter, the
Venus level beings in Venus etc.
This is why those planets were always regarded as "benefics" having a
good influence on us. And they form the liver and kidneys in the body,
without which we could not live. We experience the Jupiter-state,
Venus-state etc. subconsciously in our bodies while awake, and as planes of
experience each night. When you pass through initiation your experience of
all the planes becomes conscious and you can identify what belongs to each.
The pituitary or master gland of the body, for instance, belongs to Jupiter.
We will be much taller and larger in the Jupiter state than now, which is
why when that gland is stimulated we grow taller. The sunflower plant also
shows the influence of Jupiter, 5-petaled flowers the influence of
Venus---as well as stones compounded from copper.
Non-physically, when we experience true 'philosophic' development, all
positive thinking which broadens one's horizons, we experience the Jupiter
state. All appreciation of beauty, music, and true love is an experiencing
of the Venus state.
By the way, this last one has recently been a major experience of mine,
as I'm getting married on Saturday to a lovely lady pianist who was educated
in a Steiner schoool in Norway. So I may be out of touch next week, as I'll
be on my honeymoon. More after I return, around Jan. 20th.
>From: "thepathofthesunflower" <thepathofthesunflower@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Subject: [steiner] 12 Holy Nights
>Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:08:58 -0000
>Happy New Year everyone - trust you had a good Christmas and happily
>saw 2007 in.
>Thanks for these writings Starman it is a wealth of information. Over
>this holiday time I re-read Occult Science and always feel I am with a
>friend, Dr Rudolf, when I do.
>What grasped my imagination was the future Jupiter state of the Earth
>when people will become (spiritualy)advanced they will become invisible.
>And I ponder with this invisible state, which seems different from the
>physical body death state, whether it is a state of overcoming physical
>death and with this do we in fact go anywhere .. keeping with the
>theory of dimensions .. all that has been and will be exists in one
>place/space including all the Planets and Zodiac constellations.
>The exterior Planets and the Stars we see are projections or manifested
>matter outlet of spiritualised activity. The interior realms of the
>Planets and Stars exists next to us, around us, under us and above us
>but most crucially within us?
>The Macrocosm and the Microcosm would be the expression for this.
>As the Doctor explains to us and as you wrote here Starman these past
>and future states (eg. old Saturn and old Moon) which we have gone
>through and will go through into the future Jupiter, Venus and Vulcan
>states are not the visible planets we see but possibly .. residue is
>the right word .. of these states.
>This means we are not going to jump over to Jupiter but Jupiter is
>going to come to us. It is our thoughts, feelings and will
>preparing/manifesting Jupiter to be activated correctly enough in
>taking interest in coming to us?
>Well my current ponder ..
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- Hi Starman
Congratulations! That is wonderful news - may you both be very happy
sharing life together. And a pianist, that is lovely :)
Thanks for the further information on the Planet Planes. Yes, I see
this now how each Planet contributes to our living Now. Isn't it
wonderful! And how Saturn gave us the mineral inclusion of our
skeletons - this took eons of time. It is said the human body is the
biggest mystery. :)
Also we can see here the dimensions (the many mansions)this is why I
feel when people say we are all One - it's not quite correct. To
quote U2 'we one but we not the same'!
I have a birthchart theory; seeing Uranus is my Ruling Planet, I
think my Oversoul resides in Uranus (in this particular life) and
when I sleep at night I go to Uranus. As I will when my physical body
falls away. Re-conciling my make-up in the other Planets as well but
ultimately residing in Uranus until my next life, if to be.
Do you think this is a correct assumption to make?!
Yes! Dr Steiner in making it clear he wanted to provide logical
spiritual science facts, which he did without a doubt, his work is a
treasure of mystical fact!
Have you read Edgar Cayce's interpretation of Revelations? Here he
likens our Glands to the Seven Churches.
Well, no doubt you very busy getting ready for Saturday but look
forward to further writings on the Planet Planes.
Regards to you and your future partner.
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "thepathofthesunflower"
> Hi Starmana treasure of mystical fact!
> Congratulations! That is wonderful news.
> Yes! Dr Steiner in making it clear he wanted to provide logical
> spiritual science facts, which he did without a doubt, his work is
> forward to further writings on the Planet Planes.Dear Caryn,
Be eager also for further writings and astrological thoughts.
Celebration of Venusian influence! She must be very special.
Starman's bio said he was single and not looking.
How wonderful true love! NINA
One by Jay Weidner on "Alchemical Kubrick:The Great Work on Film" re-
2001 Space Odyssey (shares how he feels Kubrik wanted to express
that "film echoes the words of Zarathustra who taught of the great
transformation from the mundane to the angelic." Steiner
themes...technology, nature, auditory, astro, Jupiter mission, etc.
Steiner not mentioned.
Another of his with his wife on Lord of the Rings, plus other
authors,like Jose Arguelles.
- "... Zarathustra who taught of the great transformation from the mundane to the angelic."Pathofthesunflower, could you please say something about this, how does Z transform the 'mundane to the angelic'?Also congratulations and best wishes to Starman on your marriage.Sarah
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- Hi Sarah and hi there Nina, hope you are both well.
Starman thanks for the calendar.
Sarah, thanks for asking me this question 'how does Zarathustra
transform the mundane to the angelic'.
If we read John Jocelyn's Mediatations on the Signs of the Zodiac' A
Rudolf Steiner publication (and teaching) we find our answer:-
We are creating a new Zodiacal Constellation
Think of the vast difference between man and mineral!
Yet man is only three stages above the mineral. Try to conceive of
the sublimity of beings who are nine, eight, or even seven stages
above man. These supersensible beings, the highest of the Spiritual
Hierarchies, are called the Seraphim, Cherubim, and Thrones the
It is they who comprise the twelve differentiated groupings which we
call the Zodiac, which forms as it were, the womb of our solar
system. As a teacher was once a student and as a mother was once a
child, so these exalted divine beings came from an earlier solar
system in which they passed through their lower stages, until they
were so advanced that their solar system could be transformed into
our Zodiac and they could rise to mighty, creative, cosmic deeds and
make the great sacrifice which gave birth to our solar system. Beyond
them is the Divine Trinity, the Threefold Unity.
From the twelve directions of space, they organised the warmth and
laid the foundation for the twelvefold differentiated warmth we bear
in our twelve-membered physical body today, from Aries-head to Pisces-
There is no chance or accidental coincidence in the recurrent
reflection of the heavenly pattern in earthly life. We find it in
the twelve sons of Jacob, the twelve tribes of Israel, the twelve
disciples of Christ Jesus and the twelve Knights of the Round Table.
And with same principle mankind, with Earth at the midway station, is
evolving the three spirit principles: the spirit-self, life-spirit
and spirit-man. All mankind will evolve them somewhat in the course
of their future incarnations, and fully in the future planetary
existences, called the Jupiter, Venus and Vulcan Periods, through
which the Earth will pass in the future, before the beings of our
solar system reach the stage of creativity when they can participate
in the birth of a new Zodiac and solar system. For man is becoming
the Fourth Hierarchy, named the Spirits of Freedom and Love. At the
end of the Earth Period, love should be part of everything, as wisdom
For an approach to this consciousness, we need an enlarged- a cosmic
concept of the Christ, the sublime Sun Spirit who incarnated in Jesus
of Nazareth from the Baptism till the Mystery of Golgotha, when he
become the Spirit of the Earth and `The Lord of all the heavenly
forces upon Earth.' Christ is the being who in the Sun Period
selflessly gave himself up in devotion to the Twelve Voices of the
Word of Worlds, which kindled in him such Light that he can say, `I
am the light of the world.' He belongs to our cosmos as a whole and
spreads life throughout our entire universe. For those who direct
their thought to him during waking life, he becomes their guide
through the cosmos during sleep and between death and rebirth. The
Midnight Sun; The Spiritual Sun.
- --- In email@example.com, "thepathofthesunflower"
> Hi Sarah and hi there Nina, hope you are both well.Rudolf Steiner publication (and teaching) we find our answer:-
> Starman thanks for the calendar.
> Sarah, thanks for asking me this question 'how does Zarathustra
> transform the mundane to the angelic'.
> If we read John Jocelyn's Mediatations on the Signs of the Zodiac'
> We are creating a new Zodiacal ConstellationThank-you Caryn, have this beautiful image of you, joyfully adding the
commentary so we all might better understand - NINA