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  • Morgan Vierheller
    ... There is a person (of a group of 40-50) that I dance with (Universal Worship/Sufi) that have affected me this way when we dance. Although he leads the
    Message 1 of 8 , Jan 1, 2001
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      Jeff Auen wrote:

      ...Two friends and I  encountered one such teacher who spoke of nothing but love and associated himself exclusively with the mystic heart path. ... many of the visitors (from America) had experiences of profound love beyond anything we have had since. This state of  love/ energy permeated every part of us. It was within us and could be felt and experienced with everyone else and even into stones. We were filled with it and it changed every  thought, feeling and action we had. One could not speak  or think  harmfully of others; we did not have to eat much;  and this feeling was shared equally with others.
      There is a person (of a group of 40-50) that I dance with (Universal Worship/Sufi) that have affected me this way when we dance.  Although he leads the dance with his music and does not come out into the circle his warmth and love for the form radiates from him so brightly that there is a flood of love and warmth.
      I am also dismayed that the bustle and noise tends to drown out the feeling after a few days but I am happy to feel it for the time that it occurs.

      Thank you for the wonderful story!

      Morgan

       
      . For those who have had this experience, a clear distinction is known between any human state of love and divine love which penetrates every particle of creation. This is the sort of love I was referring to though not so dramatic and life changing. This love is transforming in the way St. Paul spoke of it in the Epistles. This, in even its simplest form, cannot be generated or expanded like other capacities we have.
       

    • Morgan Vierheller
      ... This is a good point you have here. I had the privilege of discussing this with my 11th grade class where we compared Siddhartha with Ayn Rand s Anthem.
      Message 2 of 8 , Jan 1, 2001
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        starmann77@... wrote:

        *******I'm surprised at two things in our 12 Nights study group online here: the first is that no one commented on what Steiner said in Lecture 3 and again in Lecture 6 about the "I AM". So many people interested in the Spirit but alienated from our dead Christian churches wind up reading Eastern stuff that says over and over that the Self is bad, ....
        This is a good point you have here.  I had the privilege of discussing this with my 11th grade class where we compared Siddhartha with Ayn Rand's Anthem.  After the journey  with Siddhartha and his path to Atman and then experiencing the lack of "I-dentification" :) in Anthem and Equality's discovery of the forbidden word (I) we had a great conversation regarding the nature and expression of the ego.  We looked at inventors and what drove them and how they followed a compulsion that flowed through them out into the world.  They came up with some great questions.
        Anthem is not Rand's best work but its message is clear.
         
             Second, about love. I wonder if anyone noticed the little passage that
        struck me in Lecture 3 where he was talking about the Earth becoming a Cosmos of Love (at the bottom of the 6th page of the lecture in my book):
        I see that I was not thorough enough in my synopsis.  The whole purpose of this evolution is the perfection, generation and permeation of Love.
         

        Love and self-immolation are not compatible:

        Then it seems to me that a mark of real love is that each will be made MORE able to be their independent Self in the relationship, not less: each will strengthen & support the other's individuality, not weaken it or tear it down. There's how to recognize the real thing, then.
        Amen:)

        Morgan

      • Sarah Cherry
        [My e-mail was down last night, and from the posts this morning, I see my comments plagiarize Morgan a bit :-). I, too, have been disappointed that we haven t
        Message 3 of 8 , Jan 2, 2001
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          [My e-mail was down last night, and from the posts this morning, I
          see my comments plagiarize Morgan a bit :-). I, too, have been
          disappointed that we haven't had more discussion. I hope the
          discussion will continue well into the new year and specifically so
          we can know one another more deeply. I have also felt pressed to
          "keep up" with the reading and not had so much time to comment, but I
          feel reading in unison, so to speak, was beneficial.]

          At 11:41 AM -0500 1/1/01, starmann77@... wrote:
          <snip>
          >that the Ego is the immortal spirit in Man and the force that raises
          >us up ever higher, transforming the astral, etheric and physical bodies into
          >Manas, Budhi and Atman. Wasn't anyone surprised?

          To tell you the truth, I have become so accustomed to this concept in
          Steiner's work, that I am immune to being in awe by this
          revaluation. (so much for child-like wonder, huh? :-) However, I am
          in awe of the way he described the relationship of man's development
          to our understanding of architecture. "In a Gothic church you can see
          that what is expressed in its form cannot possible be thought of or
          felt without the presence of the devotional congregation.<snip> If
          the devotional congregation were not within, and the hands were not
          placed together in the form of the arch, the whole would be
          incomplete." What a picture of ego-beings as co-creators!

          <long snip>

          >Then it
          >seems to me that a mark of real love is that each will be made MORE able to
          >be their independent Self in the relationship, not less: each will strengthen
          >& support the other's individuality, not weaken it or tear it down. There's
          >how to recognize the real thing, then.

          From my southern protestant childhood.... Ahmen!


          Along that line, one of my favorite quotes;

          "It is more noble to give yourself completely to one individual than
          to labor diligently for the salvation of the masses." Dag
          Hammarskjold

          Without a strong "I", there's nothing to give, and you won't have a
          clue as to what Hammarskjold is talking about!

          Sarah
        • starmann77@aol.com
          ... again ... that ... mrgnsms@earthlink.net writes: This is a good point you have here. I had the privilege of discussing this with my 11th grade class where
          Message 4 of 8 , Jan 2, 2001
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            > *******I'm surprised at two things in our 12 Nights study group online
            here:
            > the first is that no one commented on what Steiner said in Lecture 3 and
            again
            > in Lecture 6 about the "I AM". So many people interested in the Spirit but
            > alienated from our dead Christian churches wind up reading Eastern stuff
            that
            > says over and over that the Self is bad....
            mrgnsms@... writes:
            This is a good point you have here. I had the privilege of discussing this
            with
            my 11th grade class where we compared Siddhartha with Ayn Rand's Anthem.
            After
            the journey with Siddhartha and his path to Atman and then experiencing the
            lack of "I-dentification" :) in Anthem and Equality's discovery of the
            forbidden
            word (I) we had a great conversation regarding the nature and expression of
            the
            ego. We looked at inventors and what drove them and how they followed a
            compulsion that flowed through them out into the world. They came up with
            some
            great questions.
            Anthem is not Rand's best work but its message is clear.
            >>

            *******Yes, and I have always embraced both Objectivism and Libertarianism as
            well as Anthroposophy---and have been amazed at how many anthroposophists
            support socialism and anti-individualist philosophies, without seeing the
            contradictions. Good for you, using Anthem with young minds.

            >>Love and self-immolation are not compatible:

            > Then it seems to me that a mark of real love is that each will be made MORE
            > able to be their independent Self in the relationship, not less: each will
            > strengthen & support the other's individuality, not weaken it or tear it
            down.
            > There's how to recognize the real thing, then.

            Amen:)

            Morgan
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