## Re: dimensions

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--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Durward Starman" <DrStarman@...>
wrote:
>
> ******* Well, as I said, I have worked with the book "Tertium
Organum" by P.
> D. Ouspensky for many years, and it contains thinking exercises
derived from
> the work of the mathematician Hinton, the Theosophist that Steiner
also
> lectured on. I'll tell you a bit out of the book, but it's just
like
> iGoethe' s theory of colors ---- it's one thing to hear it as a
theory, and
> another to do the exercises and arrive at the perception yourself.
So I'll
> try to put it in a way we are you can see what's meant, rather than
just say
> that the theory says this and that.
>
> One of the starting points mathematicians used to approach
understanding
> the fourth dimension a century ago was what was then the well-
known "
> Flatland analogy". If you imagine a plane of two dimensions and a
being
> living in it, he or she or it would only be able to perceive what
is in that
> plane. A three-dimensional object -- -- -- or rather, an object
which WE can
> perceive in three dimensions -- -- -- could only be known by the
plane being
> as the section of it which is in its plane. Imagine a cube, for
instance,
> passing through the "flatlander's" plane: if it passed through it
> perpendicular to the plane, the plane being could perceive only a
SQUARE. as
> that section of the cube passed through its plane. If it didn't
pass
> through perpendicularly, but rather first one corner passed
through, then
> the rest of the cube, the plane being would sense a changing
variety of
> figures, starting from a point when the corner first penetrated the
plane,
> expanding into a growing square, and so forth. {This would of
course be
> easier to explain with the help of drawings, but most people here
have their
> e-mail set to either not rerceive images included or attached, or
else they
> just go to the web site to read the messages, and embedded images
are not
> saved there, so if I go through all the trouble of creating the
drawings and
> then refer to them, what I say would make no sense to somebody
unable to see
> them. C'est la vie....)
>
> Hinton and Ouspensky go from this to analogize our experience of
> three-dimensional space. Whatever one a being cannot sense as a
dimension of
> space, it senses as changes in the space it can perceive. So, if we
see a
> series of changes in three-dimensional space, that can be
understood as an
> object having a fourth dimension which we can't perceive as one,
passing
> through our three-dimensional space. In other words, the higher
dimensions
> of the objects in the world around us ---- which we cannot yet
perceive as
> dimensions the way we currently perceive the length, width and
depth of
> objects----- instead of being perceived as a static dimension of
space in an
> object, appear to us as a series of CHANGES to our space, in other
words
> what we call change in time.
>
> So, the appearance of a plant out of its seed into its young
form, then
> the lower shoot becoming the root and the upper shoot the stem, the
growth
> of leaves, then the formation of flowers and fruit---- all this is
a series
> of changes in an object through time to us, but to a being who can
see the
> fourth and other higher dimensions, those are all parts of the
object's
> shape. It does not come into existence and then disappear in time,
but
> rather that appears to happen to us because of the limitation of
our
> perceptions----- just as, before a cube passes through the
Flatlander's
> space, the square section of the cube that he will perceive, he
would say is
> in the future, while once it passes through the plane, he would say
the
> figures that appeared in his space are now something in the past.
>
> This is the true connection between the idea of the fourth
dimension, or
> rather fourth and all possible higher dimensions, and Time. Many
people were
> experimenting with these ideas a century ago, but the person who
arrived at
> the true solution, Ouspensky, was largely ignored, while the person
who
> arrived at the false solution, Einstein, was made into a god by
people who
> proclaimed he had solved a great mystery while not understanding
his stupid
> theory in the least. (I'm speaking about his general theory of
relativity,
> which is an absurd mishmash and which has completely ruined the
ability of
> people to think about these things in the way that helps lead to
the
> spiritual aspect -- but then, one couldn't expect anything Einstein
did to
> lead to the spiritual. Just look at the way he treated his wife,
and the way
> he led a spaced-out life in New Jersey. It's absolutely amazing
how the
> scientific establishment has put him over as an intellectual giant
to people
> who never study what he actually speculated---- but then look how
they've
> made everyone believers in Darwin whose followers have still found
zero
> evidence for his theory. )
>
> In relation to human life, as you say this also leads to an
understanding
> of how one period of time is related to another. There's another
great book,
> " A Dweller on Two Planets", a history of Atlantis which was spirit-
dictated
> in the 1880s to a young man in California by a being who called
himself
> Phylos the Thibetan, which Edgar Cayce used to quote from in his
> and which is well worth studying by anthroposophists. In it he also
explains
> the correspondence of epochs by the analogy of a screw thread
passing
> through a plane: with a full turn, you are back at the same place
on the
> screw but on a higher level. So he says we in America are Atlantis
come
> back, but not exactly the same as Atlantis was, because we have
progressed.
> Looking at a shorter period of time, our age can also be understood
as a
> repetition of the Egyptian civilization according to Steiner.
>
> The correspondence, like many other phenomena, is
understandable once
> you expand the concepts "object" and "dimensions" as Tertium
Orgnaum shows a
> way to do. But as I said, just hearing someone summarize it is very
> different from doing the thinking/perception exercises yourself.
That's a
> great place to begin.
>
> -Starman
>
>
Hi

I have one book of PD Ouspensky's 'The psychology of man's possible
evolution' which I throughly enjoyed and think it deserve's a re-

I totally agree with what you say regarding Einstein. If i am right
to say this train of 'undimensional squashed thought' started with
Aristotle disregarding the quintessence, the very susbstance which
holds things together. Because it cannot be measured it is
disregarded.

Democractic intelligence reaching its point of no return; me thinks.

It is co-incidential you write about Atlantis, Starman. Over the
weekend I was re-reading 'Lemuria the lost continent of the Pacific'
say in America .. Atlantis come back. It does seem like a cycle, Dr
Steiner's Samsara symbol might describe this well on a macro scale.

To me; what is happening in the world today is exactly the same prior
to the destruction of Atlantis the only thing which is different is
the background.

Although, the Atlantians and prior the Lemurians had reached
a 'civilization' (not our understanding of civilization today) far
beyond ours of today. They were so advanced in their relationship to
the Cosmic Mind. First of all operating in a moneyless society
(shows are great deal of maurity to do this) and second having their
pineal organ developed to such a degree that sixth sense connecting
to the Cosmic mind was normal. Also they had knowledge of the fill
potential use of minerals and metals; therefore having air and sea
vehicles.

With the sinking of these two great continents and migrating (to the
East and Egypt) This organ become under-developed. It was a literal
organ - a 'bump' protruding from the forehead. It is said with
practice in developing this organ it will come back through the
generations. California is part of the original Lemuria, very
special.

Interesting you also talk about the writings 'A Dweller on Two
Planets' dictated by the being Phylos talking about Atlantis, to
someone in California.

I have a book 'Atlantis to the Latter Days' It is known as
the 'Osirian Scripts' inspirationally dictated to HC Randall-Stevens
being incarnate under the name Osiraes (not to be confused with
Osiris) in the reigns of Amenhotep III & IV and Oneferu been
incarnate under the name of Men-Aton during the reign of Akhnaton. It
is published by The Knights Templars of Aquarius 1957. It was said HC
Randall-Stevens is the incarnation of El Eros and a later incarnation
of Akhnaton.

It is a dedication of Adam Ptah El Daoud and his divine twin Evam, to
the master teachers of Earth.

A wonderful find (in a second hand-book shop a few years ago) I am
sure here we will find parallels to the writings you have on
Atlantis. It is said the 'latter' days is the shift of the sun from
Pisces into Aquarius.

Getting a bit off the subject of dimensions; but maybe not really
because possibly the dimensions is discovering these worlds; as the
metaphor of the plant - releasing the element of scent.

Have a great day.
Caryn
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