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RE: [steiner] Re: looking forward to the Sixth Epoch?

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  • Durward Starman
    ******* I ve gotten to know quite a few students from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus,etc., the past few years, who have come to America to work (and often would like
    Message 1 of 4 , Oct 19, 2006
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      ******* I've gotten to know quite a few students from Russia, Ukraine,
      Belarus,etc., the past few years, who have come to America to work (and
      often would like to stay here). The poverty caused by years of socialism
      (which always causes poverty) and now, Putin's attempt to return Russia to a
      dictatorship (which socialism is merely the economic version of), is what
      drives them away ---- but all would go back if he would stop imprisoning
      successful business men who dare to finance his political opposition,
      ordering investigative journalists killed, etc.

      And such a dictatorship cannot last forever. So, just like the Iranians I
      meet here in the US who are waiting till Iran's young people take over and
      shut down the religious fanatics so they can go back, even if there is a
      diaspora of young Slavs now, they will mostly go back once their homeland is
      free again. And not even the Nazi-like operations of its current ex-KGB head
      can put the genie back in the bottle now that they have had a taste of
      freedom there. Only by brainwashing an entire population can the call in the
      human soul for freedom be extinguished, as in the parts of the Islamic world
      where people are taught freedom is 'against Islam' and that their imaginary
      God is one who demands submission and obedience, and that they'll be happier
      if they surrender freedom to just do what priests tell them to do. Russia
      will never again be able to be brainwashed that way.

      To compare initiate sources, the psychic Edgar Cayce also said that in
      the future Russia would have a great influence on the world:
      "In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes
      termed of the Communistic, of the Bolshevistic; no. But freedom, freedom!
      that each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It
      will take years for it to be crystallized, but out of Russia comes again the
      hope of the world. Guided by what? That friendship with the nation that hath
      even set on its present monetary unit "In God We Trust...."
      So it has been a birth there, a painful one caused by the usual----Man's
      relying on power, power, power to force his way. People were to be forced to
      be "good". Now they've awakened from that nightmare. What will they have
      become in 800 or 1000 years, the usual period between incarnations according
      to the Doctor? Might as well try to picture what the US will be then.

      - Starman

      www.DrStarman.com





      >From: "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@...>
      >Reply-To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
      >To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [steiner] Re: looking forward to the Sixth Epoch?
      >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:35:50 -0000
      >
      >I guess I don't see the relationship between the natural
      >depopulation of Russia (i.e. East Slaves) and the genocide committed
      >against the Jews by the Nazis.
      >
      >East Europe and Russia are suffering depopulation along with the
      >West, at large. Italy, Germany, France, etc, are falling off the
      >map demographically---as do all Late Cultures throughout history.
      >Roman cities were ghost towns at the fall. We're also seeing
      >depopulation in Japan, where the government is offering cars as
      >reproductive incentives.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, Robert Mason <robertsmason_99@...>
      >wrote:
      > >
      > > Submitted for your consideration . . .
      > >
      > > The word *genocide* gets tossed around a lot,
      > > but it seems that many people are "living in
      > > denial" about a very real genocide that has
      > > been ongoing for almost a century and is still
      > > very much ongoing: the effective extermination
      > > of the East Slavs.
      > >
      > >
      >http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2006/10/15/once_migh
      >ty_russia_fades_to_a_dying_population?mode=PF
      > >
      > > Anthroposophists might well consider the question:
      > > What happens if the Sixth Epoch comes around and
      > > no East Slavs are left on the Earth? -- As
      > > Bondarev brought forth, Steiner said that the
      > > Sixth Epoch culture would be centered in South
      > > America, but only in a stunted form.
      > >
      > > . . . something to think about when the question
      > > of "Holocaust denial" comes up -- or when
      > > considering one's future incarnations . . . .
      > >
      > > Robert Mason
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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      > >
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    • Robert Mason
      ... the natural depopulation of Russia (i.e. East Slaves) and the genocide committed against the Jews by the Nazis. ... depopulation along with the West, at
      Message 2 of 4 , Oct 22, 2006
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        To Matthew Morrell, who wrote:

        >>I guess I don't see the relationship between
        the natural depopulation of Russia (i.e. East
        Slaves) and the genocide committed against the
        Jews by the Nazis.

        >>East Europe and Russia are suffering
        depopulation along with the West, at large.
        Italy, Germany, France, etc, are falling off
        the map demographically---as do all Late
        Cultures throughout history. Roman cities were
        ghost towns at the fall. We're also seeing
        depopulation in Japan, where the government is
        offering cars as reproductive incentives.<<

        Robert writes:

        Where to start . . . ?

        I'll pick the word *natural*. -- I don't think
        that very much that has happened in Russia
        since 1917 could rightly be called *natural*.
        Aided by the "Western Brotherhoods", the very
        devils of Hell rose and seized the Russian
        Empire and plunged it into the Abyss. Old
        Russia surely had her evils, but at least those
        were recognizably human evils; the evil of
        Bolshevism was something inhuman. The
        catastrophes that followed were not "natural"
        in any usual sense of the word; they were
        consciously planned. As FD Roosevelt is
        reputed to have said: if it happens in
        politics, you can be sure that someone planned
        it. (Maybe at a stretch, in a certain sense,
        you could say that devilish political
        occultisms are part of the "natural order",
        since everything that exists is "natural", else
        it wouldn't exist. But I don't think that's
        what you meant.)

        The article I referenced says: ". . . abortions
        [in Russia] outpaced births last year by more
        than 100,000". In what sense could such a
        massive violation of the well-known "natural
        maternal instinct" be said to be "natural"? --
        And how "natural" is it that the "Russian public
        in general, and especially the male population"
        has apparently lost the natural "will for
        life"? -- The Russians have been subjected to
        such horrors during the past century that very
        many of them have lost the will to carry life
        forward.

        As you hinted, to some extent the same is true
        over most of Europe. And to some extent most
        of Europe has been subjected to the same life-
        sapping pressures: devastating wars, forced
        dislocations of populations, materialism and
        the concomitant loss of a religious world-view,
        etc. But I hope you can see that Russia has
        come in for special treatment (as has Germany,
        but not as viciously for so long). The
        "Brotherhoods" know that Russia (and Germany)
        has a special destiny and a special potential
        for progressive evolution, thus she has been
        singled out for special treatment. Do you
        remember that infamous map published in the
        late 19th Century, showing the projected future
        Europe with a "Russian Desert"?

        And Russia is still suffering especially.
        "Russia is the only major industrial nation
        that is losing population." Could the New York
        Times be wrong? Western Europe has her
        demographic problems (due perhaps to
        materialism and prosperity versus the
        materialism and poverty of Eastern Europe); I
        don't have the exact numbers handy. But the
        "labor shortage" there is being filled by Third
        World immigration (which brings its own kind of
        cultural disruption, which also serves the
        "Brotherhoods" to some extent). It was
        projected that "the [Russian] population would
        fall to 52 million by 2080". At that rate, how
        many Russians would be left by the Sixth Epoch?

        I don't know what you mean by *Late Cultures*.
        If you mean cultures that have been around for
        a long time, then it isn't true that they are
        all losing population. Look at India and
        China. If you mean dominant empires on the
        verge of collapse, then the loss of population
        might well be a contributing factor, though I
        don't know that it has been in every case. --
        But anyway, compared to the rest of Europe,
        Russia was a young culture, still in childhood
        before the First World War. She was just
        beginning to deal with the Enlightenment and
        industrialization. As Bondarev said, she had
        an "awaiting culture". And despite inept
        governance, in late Tsarist times her
        population was increasing rapidly.

        -- The point I was suggesting in connection
        with "holocaust denial" is this: There is such
        a frenzy about the so-called "Holocaust" of
        Jews during World War Two that anyone who
        publicly expresses the "wrong" opinion about
        the demographics or some other aspect is liable
        in much of Europe to criminal prosecution and
        serious prison time. In the rest of the West,
        even in the absence of criminal penalties, such
        dissenters are liable to various other kinds of
        serious reprisals. Doesn't it seem a little
        incongruous that we are living during a real,
        massive, ongoing "holocaust" in Russia, and not
        only are there no penalties for those who
        "deny" that "holocaust", but hardly anyone even
        notices it?

        Perhaps it doesn't seem incongruous to you,
        since you are an example of the "living in
        denial" to which I referred. You don't even
        see an intentional, planned "genocide", but a
        "natural" decline in population.

        And to pursue my point a little: There are all
        kinds of "holocausts" about which most people
        "live in denial". How about the Red Chinese
        "holocaust"? How many people killed there?
        I've seen the number *70 million*, but that's
        just a guess, and I think likely a low one.
        And that "holocaust" too is ongoing. But we
        (in the US) get along with the Chinese Reds
        just fine: they are "most favored" trading
        "partners". What sort of "holocaust denial" is
        entailed by all those cheap Red Chinese slave-
        labor gadgets in Wal-Mart? -- Another example:
        how many people "deny" what really happens in
        the local so-called "women's clinic"? -- And
        another: how much "denial" is there about what
        really happens in the "meat industry"?

        And so on. I was suggesting that there are
        many "holocausts" and many kinds of "denial".
        Maybe those who are so hot to stomp on
        "Holocaust deniers" might do well to take a
        good look at the world around them -- and to
        take a good look in the mirror.

        Robert Mason


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