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Re: looking forward to the Sixth Epoch?

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  • Mathew Morrell
    I guess I don t see the relationship between the natural depopulation of Russia (i.e. East Slaves) and the genocide committed against the Jews by the Nazis.
    Message 1 of 4 , Oct 18, 2006
      I guess I don't see the relationship between the natural
      depopulation of Russia (i.e. East Slaves) and the genocide committed
      against the Jews by the Nazis.

      East Europe and Russia are suffering depopulation along with the
      West, at large. Italy, Germany, France, etc, are falling off the
      map demographically---as do all Late Cultures throughout history.
      Roman cities were ghost towns at the fall. We're also seeing
      depopulation in Japan, where the government is offering cars as
      reproductive incentives.






      --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, Robert Mason <robertsmason_99@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > Submitted for your consideration . . .
      >
      > The word *genocide* gets tossed around a lot,
      > but it seems that many people are "living in
      > denial" about a very real genocide that has
      > been ongoing for almost a century and is still
      > very much ongoing: the effective extermination
      > of the East Slavs.
      >
      >
      http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2006/10/15/once_migh
      ty_russia_fades_to_a_dying_population?mode=PF
      >
      > Anthroposophists might well consider the question:
      > What happens if the Sixth Epoch comes around and
      > no East Slavs are left on the Earth? -- As
      > Bondarev brought forth, Steiner said that the
      > Sixth Epoch culture would be centered in South
      > America, but only in a stunted form.
      >
      > . . . something to think about when the question
      > of "Holocaust denial" comes up -- or when
      > considering one's future incarnations . . . .
      >
      > Robert Mason
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • Durward Starman
      ******* I ve gotten to know quite a few students from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus,etc., the past few years, who have come to America to work (and often would like
      Message 2 of 4 , Oct 19, 2006
        ******* I've gotten to know quite a few students from Russia, Ukraine,
        Belarus,etc., the past few years, who have come to America to work (and
        often would like to stay here). The poverty caused by years of socialism
        (which always causes poverty) and now, Putin's attempt to return Russia to a
        dictatorship (which socialism is merely the economic version of), is what
        drives them away ---- but all would go back if he would stop imprisoning
        successful business men who dare to finance his political opposition,
        ordering investigative journalists killed, etc.

        And such a dictatorship cannot last forever. So, just like the Iranians I
        meet here in the US who are waiting till Iran's young people take over and
        shut down the religious fanatics so they can go back, even if there is a
        diaspora of young Slavs now, they will mostly go back once their homeland is
        free again. And not even the Nazi-like operations of its current ex-KGB head
        can put the genie back in the bottle now that they have had a taste of
        freedom there. Only by brainwashing an entire population can the call in the
        human soul for freedom be extinguished, as in the parts of the Islamic world
        where people are taught freedom is 'against Islam' and that their imaginary
        God is one who demands submission and obedience, and that they'll be happier
        if they surrender freedom to just do what priests tell them to do. Russia
        will never again be able to be brainwashed that way.

        To compare initiate sources, the psychic Edgar Cayce also said that in
        the future Russia would have a great influence on the world:
        "In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes
        termed of the Communistic, of the Bolshevistic; no. But freedom, freedom!
        that each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It
        will take years for it to be crystallized, but out of Russia comes again the
        hope of the world. Guided by what? That friendship with the nation that hath
        even set on its present monetary unit "In God We Trust...."
        So it has been a birth there, a painful one caused by the usual----Man's
        relying on power, power, power to force his way. People were to be forced to
        be "good". Now they've awakened from that nightmare. What will they have
        become in 800 or 1000 years, the usual period between incarnations according
        to the Doctor? Might as well try to picture what the US will be then.

        - Starman

        www.DrStarman.com





        >From: "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@...>
        >Reply-To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
        >To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
        >Subject: [steiner] Re: looking forward to the Sixth Epoch?
        >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:35:50 -0000
        >
        >I guess I don't see the relationship between the natural
        >depopulation of Russia (i.e. East Slaves) and the genocide committed
        >against the Jews by the Nazis.
        >
        >East Europe and Russia are suffering depopulation along with the
        >West, at large. Italy, Germany, France, etc, are falling off the
        >map demographically---as do all Late Cultures throughout history.
        >Roman cities were ghost towns at the fall. We're also seeing
        >depopulation in Japan, where the government is offering cars as
        >reproductive incentives.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, Robert Mason <robertsmason_99@...>
        >wrote:
        > >
        > > Submitted for your consideration . . .
        > >
        > > The word *genocide* gets tossed around a lot,
        > > but it seems that many people are "living in
        > > denial" about a very real genocide that has
        > > been ongoing for almost a century and is still
        > > very much ongoing: the effective extermination
        > > of the East Slavs.
        > >
        > >
        >http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2006/10/15/once_migh
        >ty_russia_fades_to_a_dying_population?mode=PF
        > >
        > > Anthroposophists might well consider the question:
        > > What happens if the Sixth Epoch comes around and
        > > no East Slavs are left on the Earth? -- As
        > > Bondarev brought forth, Steiner said that the
        > > Sixth Epoch culture would be centered in South
        > > America, but only in a stunted form.
        > >
        > > . . . something to think about when the question
        > > of "Holocaust denial" comes up -- or when
        > > considering one's future incarnations . . . .
        > >
        > > Robert Mason
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
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      • Robert Mason
        ... the natural depopulation of Russia (i.e. East Slaves) and the genocide committed against the Jews by the Nazis. ... depopulation along with the West, at
        Message 3 of 4 , Oct 22, 2006
          To Matthew Morrell, who wrote:

          >>I guess I don't see the relationship between
          the natural depopulation of Russia (i.e. East
          Slaves) and the genocide committed against the
          Jews by the Nazis.

          >>East Europe and Russia are suffering
          depopulation along with the West, at large.
          Italy, Germany, France, etc, are falling off
          the map demographically---as do all Late
          Cultures throughout history. Roman cities were
          ghost towns at the fall. We're also seeing
          depopulation in Japan, where the government is
          offering cars as reproductive incentives.<<

          Robert writes:

          Where to start . . . ?

          I'll pick the word *natural*. -- I don't think
          that very much that has happened in Russia
          since 1917 could rightly be called *natural*.
          Aided by the "Western Brotherhoods", the very
          devils of Hell rose and seized the Russian
          Empire and plunged it into the Abyss. Old
          Russia surely had her evils, but at least those
          were recognizably human evils; the evil of
          Bolshevism was something inhuman. The
          catastrophes that followed were not "natural"
          in any usual sense of the word; they were
          consciously planned. As FD Roosevelt is
          reputed to have said: if it happens in
          politics, you can be sure that someone planned
          it. (Maybe at a stretch, in a certain sense,
          you could say that devilish political
          occultisms are part of the "natural order",
          since everything that exists is "natural", else
          it wouldn't exist. But I don't think that's
          what you meant.)

          The article I referenced says: ". . . abortions
          [in Russia] outpaced births last year by more
          than 100,000". In what sense could such a
          massive violation of the well-known "natural
          maternal instinct" be said to be "natural"? --
          And how "natural" is it that the "Russian public
          in general, and especially the male population"
          has apparently lost the natural "will for
          life"? -- The Russians have been subjected to
          such horrors during the past century that very
          many of them have lost the will to carry life
          forward.

          As you hinted, to some extent the same is true
          over most of Europe. And to some extent most
          of Europe has been subjected to the same life-
          sapping pressures: devastating wars, forced
          dislocations of populations, materialism and
          the concomitant loss of a religious world-view,
          etc. But I hope you can see that Russia has
          come in for special treatment (as has Germany,
          but not as viciously for so long). The
          "Brotherhoods" know that Russia (and Germany)
          has a special destiny and a special potential
          for progressive evolution, thus she has been
          singled out for special treatment. Do you
          remember that infamous map published in the
          late 19th Century, showing the projected future
          Europe with a "Russian Desert"?

          And Russia is still suffering especially.
          "Russia is the only major industrial nation
          that is losing population." Could the New York
          Times be wrong? Western Europe has her
          demographic problems (due perhaps to
          materialism and prosperity versus the
          materialism and poverty of Eastern Europe); I
          don't have the exact numbers handy. But the
          "labor shortage" there is being filled by Third
          World immigration (which brings its own kind of
          cultural disruption, which also serves the
          "Brotherhoods" to some extent). It was
          projected that "the [Russian] population would
          fall to 52 million by 2080". At that rate, how
          many Russians would be left by the Sixth Epoch?

          I don't know what you mean by *Late Cultures*.
          If you mean cultures that have been around for
          a long time, then it isn't true that they are
          all losing population. Look at India and
          China. If you mean dominant empires on the
          verge of collapse, then the loss of population
          might well be a contributing factor, though I
          don't know that it has been in every case. --
          But anyway, compared to the rest of Europe,
          Russia was a young culture, still in childhood
          before the First World War. She was just
          beginning to deal with the Enlightenment and
          industrialization. As Bondarev said, she had
          an "awaiting culture". And despite inept
          governance, in late Tsarist times her
          population was increasing rapidly.

          -- The point I was suggesting in connection
          with "holocaust denial" is this: There is such
          a frenzy about the so-called "Holocaust" of
          Jews during World War Two that anyone who
          publicly expresses the "wrong" opinion about
          the demographics or some other aspect is liable
          in much of Europe to criminal prosecution and
          serious prison time. In the rest of the West,
          even in the absence of criminal penalties, such
          dissenters are liable to various other kinds of
          serious reprisals. Doesn't it seem a little
          incongruous that we are living during a real,
          massive, ongoing "holocaust" in Russia, and not
          only are there no penalties for those who
          "deny" that "holocaust", but hardly anyone even
          notices it?

          Perhaps it doesn't seem incongruous to you,
          since you are an example of the "living in
          denial" to which I referred. You don't even
          see an intentional, planned "genocide", but a
          "natural" decline in population.

          And to pursue my point a little: There are all
          kinds of "holocausts" about which most people
          "live in denial". How about the Red Chinese
          "holocaust"? How many people killed there?
          I've seen the number *70 million*, but that's
          just a guess, and I think likely a low one.
          And that "holocaust" too is ongoing. But we
          (in the US) get along with the Chinese Reds
          just fine: they are "most favored" trading
          "partners". What sort of "holocaust denial" is
          entailed by all those cheap Red Chinese slave-
          labor gadgets in Wal-Mart? -- Another example:
          how many people "deny" what really happens in
          the local so-called "women's clinic"? -- And
          another: how much "denial" is there about what
          really happens in the "meat industry"?

          And so on. I was suggesting that there are
          many "holocausts" and many kinds of "denial".
          Maybe those who are so hot to stomp on
          "Holocaust deniers" might do well to take a
          good look at the world around them -- and to
          take a good look in the mirror.

          Robert Mason


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