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  • Robert Mason
    Submitted for your consideration . . . The word *genocide* gets tossed around a lot, but it seems that many people are living in denial about a very real
    Message 1 of 4 , Oct 18, 2006
      Submitted for your consideration . . .

      The word *genocide* gets tossed around a lot,
      but it seems that many people are "living in
      denial" about a very real genocide that has
      been ongoing for almost a century and is still
      very much ongoing: the effective extermination
      of the East Slavs.

      http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2006/10/15/once_mighty_russia_fades_to_a_dying_population?mode=PF

      Anthroposophists might well consider the question:
      What happens if the Sixth Epoch comes around and
      no East Slavs are left on the Earth? -- As
      Bondarev brought forth, Steiner said that the
      Sixth Epoch culture would be centered in South
      America, but only in a stunted form.

      . . . something to think about when the question
      of "Holocaust denial" comes up -- or when
      considering one's future incarnations . . . .

      Robert Mason










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    • Mathew Morrell
      I guess I don t see the relationship between the natural depopulation of Russia (i.e. East Slaves) and the genocide committed against the Jews by the Nazis.
      Message 2 of 4 , Oct 18, 2006
        I guess I don't see the relationship between the natural
        depopulation of Russia (i.e. East Slaves) and the genocide committed
        against the Jews by the Nazis.

        East Europe and Russia are suffering depopulation along with the
        West, at large. Italy, Germany, France, etc, are falling off the
        map demographically---as do all Late Cultures throughout history.
        Roman cities were ghost towns at the fall. We're also seeing
        depopulation in Japan, where the government is offering cars as
        reproductive incentives.






        --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, Robert Mason <robertsmason_99@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > Submitted for your consideration . . .
        >
        > The word *genocide* gets tossed around a lot,
        > but it seems that many people are "living in
        > denial" about a very real genocide that has
        > been ongoing for almost a century and is still
        > very much ongoing: the effective extermination
        > of the East Slavs.
        >
        >
        http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2006/10/15/once_migh
        ty_russia_fades_to_a_dying_population?mode=PF
        >
        > Anthroposophists might well consider the question:
        > What happens if the Sixth Epoch comes around and
        > no East Slavs are left on the Earth? -- As
        > Bondarev brought forth, Steiner said that the
        > Sixth Epoch culture would be centered in South
        > America, but only in a stunted form.
        >
        > . . . something to think about when the question
        > of "Holocaust denial" comes up -- or when
        > considering one's future incarnations . . . .
        >
        > Robert Mason
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
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      • Durward Starman
        ******* I ve gotten to know quite a few students from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus,etc., the past few years, who have come to America to work (and often would like
        Message 3 of 4 , Oct 19, 2006
          ******* I've gotten to know quite a few students from Russia, Ukraine,
          Belarus,etc., the past few years, who have come to America to work (and
          often would like to stay here). The poverty caused by years of socialism
          (which always causes poverty) and now, Putin's attempt to return Russia to a
          dictatorship (which socialism is merely the economic version of), is what
          drives them away ---- but all would go back if he would stop imprisoning
          successful business men who dare to finance his political opposition,
          ordering investigative journalists killed, etc.

          And such a dictatorship cannot last forever. So, just like the Iranians I
          meet here in the US who are waiting till Iran's young people take over and
          shut down the religious fanatics so they can go back, even if there is a
          diaspora of young Slavs now, they will mostly go back once their homeland is
          free again. And not even the Nazi-like operations of its current ex-KGB head
          can put the genie back in the bottle now that they have had a taste of
          freedom there. Only by brainwashing an entire population can the call in the
          human soul for freedom be extinguished, as in the parts of the Islamic world
          where people are taught freedom is 'against Islam' and that their imaginary
          God is one who demands submission and obedience, and that they'll be happier
          if they surrender freedom to just do what priests tell them to do. Russia
          will never again be able to be brainwashed that way.

          To compare initiate sources, the psychic Edgar Cayce also said that in
          the future Russia would have a great influence on the world:
          "In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes
          termed of the Communistic, of the Bolshevistic; no. But freedom, freedom!
          that each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It
          will take years for it to be crystallized, but out of Russia comes again the
          hope of the world. Guided by what? That friendship with the nation that hath
          even set on its present monetary unit "In God We Trust...."
          So it has been a birth there, a painful one caused by the usual----Man's
          relying on power, power, power to force his way. People were to be forced to
          be "good". Now they've awakened from that nightmare. What will they have
          become in 800 or 1000 years, the usual period between incarnations according
          to the Doctor? Might as well try to picture what the US will be then.

          - Starman

          www.DrStarman.com





          >From: "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@...>
          >Reply-To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
          >To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
          >Subject: [steiner] Re: looking forward to the Sixth Epoch?
          >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:35:50 -0000
          >
          >I guess I don't see the relationship between the natural
          >depopulation of Russia (i.e. East Slaves) and the genocide committed
          >against the Jews by the Nazis.
          >
          >East Europe and Russia are suffering depopulation along with the
          >West, at large. Italy, Germany, France, etc, are falling off the
          >map demographically---as do all Late Cultures throughout history.
          >Roman cities were ghost towns at the fall. We're also seeing
          >depopulation in Japan, where the government is offering cars as
          >reproductive incentives.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, Robert Mason <robertsmason_99@...>
          >wrote:
          > >
          > > Submitted for your consideration . . .
          > >
          > > The word *genocide* gets tossed around a lot,
          > > but it seems that many people are "living in
          > > denial" about a very real genocide that has
          > > been ongoing for almost a century and is still
          > > very much ongoing: the effective extermination
          > > of the East Slavs.
          > >
          > >
          >http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2006/10/15/once_migh
          >ty_russia_fades_to_a_dying_population?mode=PF
          > >
          > > Anthroposophists might well consider the question:
          > > What happens if the Sixth Epoch comes around and
          > > no East Slavs are left on the Earth? -- As
          > > Bondarev brought forth, Steiner said that the
          > > Sixth Epoch culture would be centered in South
          > > America, but only in a stunted form.
          > >
          > > . . . something to think about when the question
          > > of "Holocaust denial" comes up -- or when
          > > considering one's future incarnations . . . .
          > >
          > > Robert Mason
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
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        • Robert Mason
          ... the natural depopulation of Russia (i.e. East Slaves) and the genocide committed against the Jews by the Nazis. ... depopulation along with the West, at
          Message 4 of 4 , Oct 22, 2006
            To Matthew Morrell, who wrote:

            >>I guess I don't see the relationship between
            the natural depopulation of Russia (i.e. East
            Slaves) and the genocide committed against the
            Jews by the Nazis.

            >>East Europe and Russia are suffering
            depopulation along with the West, at large.
            Italy, Germany, France, etc, are falling off
            the map demographically---as do all Late
            Cultures throughout history. Roman cities were
            ghost towns at the fall. We're also seeing
            depopulation in Japan, where the government is
            offering cars as reproductive incentives.<<

            Robert writes:

            Where to start . . . ?

            I'll pick the word *natural*. -- I don't think
            that very much that has happened in Russia
            since 1917 could rightly be called *natural*.
            Aided by the "Western Brotherhoods", the very
            devils of Hell rose and seized the Russian
            Empire and plunged it into the Abyss. Old
            Russia surely had her evils, but at least those
            were recognizably human evils; the evil of
            Bolshevism was something inhuman. The
            catastrophes that followed were not "natural"
            in any usual sense of the word; they were
            consciously planned. As FD Roosevelt is
            reputed to have said: if it happens in
            politics, you can be sure that someone planned
            it. (Maybe at a stretch, in a certain sense,
            you could say that devilish political
            occultisms are part of the "natural order",
            since everything that exists is "natural", else
            it wouldn't exist. But I don't think that's
            what you meant.)

            The article I referenced says: ". . . abortions
            [in Russia] outpaced births last year by more
            than 100,000". In what sense could such a
            massive violation of the well-known "natural
            maternal instinct" be said to be "natural"? --
            And how "natural" is it that the "Russian public
            in general, and especially the male population"
            has apparently lost the natural "will for
            life"? -- The Russians have been subjected to
            such horrors during the past century that very
            many of them have lost the will to carry life
            forward.

            As you hinted, to some extent the same is true
            over most of Europe. And to some extent most
            of Europe has been subjected to the same life-
            sapping pressures: devastating wars, forced
            dislocations of populations, materialism and
            the concomitant loss of a religious world-view,
            etc. But I hope you can see that Russia has
            come in for special treatment (as has Germany,
            but not as viciously for so long). The
            "Brotherhoods" know that Russia (and Germany)
            has a special destiny and a special potential
            for progressive evolution, thus she has been
            singled out for special treatment. Do you
            remember that infamous map published in the
            late 19th Century, showing the projected future
            Europe with a "Russian Desert"?

            And Russia is still suffering especially.
            "Russia is the only major industrial nation
            that is losing population." Could the New York
            Times be wrong? Western Europe has her
            demographic problems (due perhaps to
            materialism and prosperity versus the
            materialism and poverty of Eastern Europe); I
            don't have the exact numbers handy. But the
            "labor shortage" there is being filled by Third
            World immigration (which brings its own kind of
            cultural disruption, which also serves the
            "Brotherhoods" to some extent). It was
            projected that "the [Russian] population would
            fall to 52 million by 2080". At that rate, how
            many Russians would be left by the Sixth Epoch?

            I don't know what you mean by *Late Cultures*.
            If you mean cultures that have been around for
            a long time, then it isn't true that they are
            all losing population. Look at India and
            China. If you mean dominant empires on the
            verge of collapse, then the loss of population
            might well be a contributing factor, though I
            don't know that it has been in every case. --
            But anyway, compared to the rest of Europe,
            Russia was a young culture, still in childhood
            before the First World War. She was just
            beginning to deal with the Enlightenment and
            industrialization. As Bondarev said, she had
            an "awaiting culture". And despite inept
            governance, in late Tsarist times her
            population was increasing rapidly.

            -- The point I was suggesting in connection
            with "holocaust denial" is this: There is such
            a frenzy about the so-called "Holocaust" of
            Jews during World War Two that anyone who
            publicly expresses the "wrong" opinion about
            the demographics or some other aspect is liable
            in much of Europe to criminal prosecution and
            serious prison time. In the rest of the West,
            even in the absence of criminal penalties, such
            dissenters are liable to various other kinds of
            serious reprisals. Doesn't it seem a little
            incongruous that we are living during a real,
            massive, ongoing "holocaust" in Russia, and not
            only are there no penalties for those who
            "deny" that "holocaust", but hardly anyone even
            notices it?

            Perhaps it doesn't seem incongruous to you,
            since you are an example of the "living in
            denial" to which I referred. You don't even
            see an intentional, planned "genocide", but a
            "natural" decline in population.

            And to pursue my point a little: There are all
            kinds of "holocausts" about which most people
            "live in denial". How about the Red Chinese
            "holocaust"? How many people killed there?
            I've seen the number *70 million*, but that's
            just a guess, and I think likely a low one.
            And that "holocaust" too is ongoing. But we
            (in the US) get along with the Chinese Reds
            just fine: they are "most favored" trading
            "partners". What sort of "holocaust denial" is
            entailed by all those cheap Red Chinese slave-
            labor gadgets in Wal-Mart? -- Another example:
            how many people "deny" what really happens in
            the local so-called "women's clinic"? -- And
            another: how much "denial" is there about what
            really happens in the "meat industry"?

            And so on. I was suggesting that there are
            many "holocausts" and many kinds of "denial".
            Maybe those who are so hot to stomp on
            "Holocaust deniers" might do well to take a
            good look at the world around them -- and to
            take a good look in the mirror.

            Robert Mason


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