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Re: [steiner] Islam Lacks a "rock of Peter"

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  • DoctorStarman@aol.com
    In a message dated 2/16/2005 1:18:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... *******I think the rock on which the Christ was to build His church was not Peter
    Message 1 of 5 , Mar 6, 2005
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      In a message dated 2/16/2005 1:18:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, tma4cbt@... writes:

      Maybe somebody can come forward and tell us what it is about the
      Petrine doctrine that made Jesus build his `church' there.  We can
      see distinctions unique to each gospel in the Bible.  What is unique
      about the gospel of Peter?  



      *******I think the "rock" on  which the Christ was to build His "church" was not Peter himself, but the spirit-realization Simon showed a moment before, when he said, You are the living Christ. That direct knowledge of the Christ was the 'Rock' (in Greek, petrus).
        And I agree that unfortunately Muhammed apparently bought into the false Gnostics' idea that Jesus didn't really die on the cross, etc.---- so that Islam leads people away from knowledge of the Christ as badly as orthodox Judaism does, making Jesus into a man or at best just one of the Prophets.
      -starman
      www.DrStarman.net
    • Mathew Morrell
      In the early Christian movement there were those who believed in Jesus as God , those who believed in Jesus as Prophet, and those who believed in Jesus as
      Message 2 of 5 , Mar 6, 2005
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        In the early Christian movement there were those who believed
        in "Jesus as God", those who believed in "Jesus as Prophet," and
        those who believed in "Jesus as God and Man." There was much
        argument and debate over this issue, as to what was Jesus' true
        nature. Was Jesus mortal, was he God, or was Jesus God in flesh
        (the "living" Christ)? Islam and most Gnostics (even to this day)
        deny Jesus' divine nature, emphasizing instead his mortal role as
        teacher. Thankfully, the Church father's rejected the Islamic-
        Gnostic doctrines and later overcame the Monophysites, a counter-
        movement that rejected the reality and completeness of Jesus' human
        body, his consubstantiality with us. The chart below might help us
        grasp the differences in black and white terms.


        Nestorians: One person, two hypostases, two natures.
        Catholics: One person, one hypostasis, two natures.
        Monophysites: One person, one hypostasis, one nature.
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