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  • DoctorStarman@aol.com
    ... *******It s the reason why I have not been very active with the Society in the US, and not at all with the Social Science section, despite being a
    Message 1 of 14 , Oct 18, 2004

      >I'm curious and optomistic about the outcome of
      >today's events.  Realizing a democratic nation through
      >the unleashing of awesome deadly force from an
      >external party in a place that has no experience
      >living within a democratic society is something that
      >hasn't worked too well in recent memory.

      eyecueco@... writes:
      Guess you have not kept up with what is happening in Afganistan.
      Kaul is no longer a capitol of silence and street beatings of women
      for  not having their berka on straight, Girls are now going to school,
      the soccer field there is now used for athletic games instead of public
      executions (throats slit).
      If you are only watching John Steward and or the MSM no wonder
      you seem confused.
      It is so very sad that there are so very few like Br. Ron.  So many
      don't get it that we are in another world war.  What is especially
      disappointing to me personally is to have discovered, since 9-11
      that the mindset of so many who consider themselves anthroposophists
      is that of left-wing socialism. Socialism is deadly to the developing
      ego consciousness....

      *******It's the reason why I have not been very active with the Society in the US, and not at all with the Social Science section, despite being a professor of the social sciences: the leftist bias. Socialism is a materialistic-thought-based illusion that anyone on the spiritual path must see through eventually. That so many anthroposophists were rabid leftists was depressing to me when I first found it to be so in the 1980s, and only showed me that they had not really gotten anywhere on the Path yet.

      You might possibly consider reading something of Victor
      David Hanson (victorhanson.com).  He knows a thing or two
      about both the classic world, a lot about warfare, and  has
      something intelligent to say about the state of things today.
      He's not an anthropop, but, it is interesting to discover that
      he says essentially the same thing, from a secular voice,
      that Johannes Walter Stein said,  (i.e., that this confrontation
      with the East at the end of the 20th Century) is a battle that
      must be won if the world is to progress onward rather than fall
      back into a tragic dark age. 
      One  of the sorriest points missed by the bleeding heart liberal in his
      or her blinding,  thought-stopping hatred for 'Dubya' is that the time
      has come for the East to be brought into the 21st Century, and if the
      current campaign against the Islamic terrorist, (which I am absolutely 
      convinced is the repetition of the Battle of Salamis predicted by Stein)
      meets with failure, then the chance for the East to move on from tribal,
      group ego consciousness will be lost, with the gravest of consequences
      for the West and civilization in general.
      It is really important for those who call themselves anthopops to remember
      that these conflicts arise first in the higher worlds, and are then played
      out down here below in this sad, broken domain.  It's not nice, it even
      sucks, but, that's the game and the one that we are stuck in for a long
      time to come.  (Another reference to ponder is Trithemius and what he
      tells us about what happens during the Time Reign of the various

      ********As a matter of fact, by Thithemius von Spondheim's 343-year cycles (which Steiner pointed to), a replay or repeat of the Battle of Salamis, which is to say a catclysmic confrontation between the inividuality-denying East and the individual-affirming West, was forecast for either Sept. 2000 or Sept. 2001, depending how you calculate.
    • DoctorStarman@aol.com
      In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:44:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ... *******Well, it s election time, and Steiner did have a lot to say about the practical
      Message 2 of 14 , Oct 18, 2004
        In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:44:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, social_artist@... writes:

        My goodness, Br. Ron.  You have some interesting
        points, and your exposition is certainly dramatic;
        however, it is my recollection that political
        discussions in this forum were to be avoided.  In the
        end, it seems to me that the scariest part of today's
        political landscape is the apathetic nature of the
        American people, who more and more spend the length of
        their days eating canned foods off of plastic plates
        in front of the television instead of raising their
        children and organizing social events with their
        neighbors.  This is the reason a fellow like Kerry is
        up for the presidency.  It's not as though the guy had
        to burn down the Reichstag.

        *******Well, it's election time, and Steiner did have a lot to say about the practical world of organizing society. I just fear that allowing political discussions will degenerate into arguments and, as they say, creat "much heat but little light."

            It's amazing how people studying the same material can so easily come to the conclusion that it supports their opinion that one of two candidates is the Devil, while others say the exact same thing is equally clear about his opponent! It all only shows that people haven't really digested the teaching about the Mystery of Evil, that there are two devils. Of any two candidates, I'm sure a case could be made how either of them would advance the cause of evil, because there are two opposite causes of evil.

      • Renee Lattimore
        Thanks for giving such a eloquent message. On the eve of this election, I have confidence that right will win. Renee Lattimore Br. Ron
        Message 3 of 14 , Nov 1, 2004
          Thanks for giving such a eloquent message.  On the eve of this election, I have confidence that right will win.
          Renee Lattimore

          "Br. Ron" <rlloyd@...> wrote:
          This is just my opinion and good folks can disagree.
          Qabala is a wonderful spiritual tool because it reveals
          the location of spiritual shadows.
          Let's apply this to American politics.
          John Kerry to be not only and opportunistic machine
          but a full blown traitor....both in the 70s and now.

          First, look into his face. It doesn't take a Cagliostro to see
          he only occasionally departs from the haunting image of 'just
          another genderless, talking head.'
          Clever?...Yes....to the point of demagoguery but more importantly
          he lacks that essential soul quality associated with a vulnerable
          conscience. Kerry seems blissfully free of both passion and heart,
          Bereft of any genuine 'fire in the belly' he lives up to the
          Qabalistic term
          'qliphoth'.....which is but a shell.

          Kerry gets his juice from professional victims and survives
          politically by simple negativity and doubt...by making all things
          pertaining to the US an "error."

          His opportunistic grandstanding in the Seventies torpedoed our
          "might for right" and served to lead to the wholesale
          slaughter of nearly a million Vietnamese after the war...to say
          nothing of setting up Pol Pot's evil rampage in Cambodia.

          Had we been truly the UNITED States in winning that conflict,
          there would have been far fewer human casualties and we would
          have established a bright bastion of freedom in Indochina.
          (A case in point is what we saw taking root this weekend in Afghanistan,
          sporting endless lines of men and women risking life and limb to get
          to vote...... for the first time ever!)

          Regardless of the rampant left wing cynicism, this war
          aint all just about money and oil. It is not even about Iraq or
          the Middle East. It's a cosmic power grab chronicled in the texts of
          every major religion,... albeit by different names.

          There are parasitic forces tempting us from our bravery
          and degrading our duty; our heavenly mandate of sacrifice and
          promulgation of  'Good' performed in manly and knightly ways.
          If this vampirism succeeds, all Life on Earth will cease.

          As a man, I see ridding the world of parasitic tyranny is a
          chivalrous duty. Chivalry is a religion not unlike the Samurai.
          But "Might for Right" is a creed grasped only by practitioners
          of TRUE self sacrificial Love, a concept for which the political left
          gives lip service but has absolutely no grasp.

          Kerry cannot win. ....He MUST NOT win.

          Fortunately, Americans are ultimately driven by an innate sense of right
          and wrong. I trust us to distinguish between the verbose, reflected specter
          of 'lunar light' in contrast to the real thing. True Beings of Light demonstrate
          Spirit and self reliance, not social dependency. They display the self generating
          Solar Light emanating from yes, the Sun of God.

          Remember King Arthur had an effeminate offspring like our slick
          friend. Mordred was massaged, oiled and pussified daily by his
          mother, Morgan LeFay. This lunar witch was Arthur's sister
          with whom he slept. Mordred, the incestual offspring of this union,
          ultimately brought down Arthur's solar kingdom which in truth was
          initiated by the Christos.

          This archetypal gender battle repeating itself once again
          on the stage of American and global politics. The I-Ching has a
          hexagram ('KUN...The Receptive...with a moving line at the top)
          which says:
              "In the top place the Yin (female) element should yield to the light.
              If it attempts to maintain a position to which it is not entitled
              and to rule instead of serving, it draws down on itself the anger
              of the strong. A struggle ensues in which it is overthrown,
              with injury, however, to both sides. Therefore, it is a sign
              that in unnatural contest both primal powers (Male and Female)
              suffer injury."

          This gender confusion of Yang in relation to Yin is symbolized in
          every religion including the story in Genesis with Adam disconnecting
          from his Reason..his Oversoul in order to follow Eve's impulsive Nature

          This sounds sexist...but it isn't. Nor am I suggesting
          the masculine principle is somehow 'better' than the feminine.
          It's just that each has it's appropriate place within ourselves
          and within cosmic order.
          It simply means that Reason should guide impulse and emotion
          in each of us.... at all times. Reason is "The Head of the House"

          Kerry is a Massachusetts 'dandy' who has doubtless been
          circumcised with pinking shears.

          His politics and demeanor are much like his manicure...
          slick...polished and preened strictly for public approval.

          A glib wordsmith he is, a knightly warrior he aint....

          If he ever did rescue the king's maiden daughter, he
          would not have done it for Chivalry ...nor even because it was the
          right thing to do. He would have done it to win the king's daughter
          .........and to latch onto his estate.

          Behold Mordred!

          This terrorist thing upon us now is VERY huge.
          It may not live up to Rudolph Steiner's 'War of All Against All'
          but there definitely is a global religious Jihad/Crusade afoot and it is
          also cosmic. It is the struggle between the forces of civilization .....
          .....and Chaos itself.

          Remember the 'Never Ending Story?'  This drama is unfolding again.
          "The 'Nothing'" approaches and there are two options left to us:
          1. Fight without quarter.
          2. Deny it and choose "peace at any price."
          I for one, choose the former because the latter is the
          sure recipe for "short term pleasure, long term pain."

          Hairspray and a razor cuts somehow lose their meaning when
          adorning a severed head.

          Br. Ron

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