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  • DoctorStarman@aol.com
    In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:54:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ... ******* I know of the most famous case. The shortest verse of the Bible is Jesus wept
    Message 1 of 14 , Oct 18, 2004
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      In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:54:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, social_artist@... writes:

      I pondered this following this afternoon and decided
      to put it on the forum.  Per the third paragraph of
      this e-mail, if you have knowledge of instances when
      Steiner discussed the motivation for Jesus's weeping,
      I'd be most interested in learning of them.


      ******* I know of the most famous case. The shortest verse of the Bible is "Jesus wept" ----at the raising of Lazarus. It was said that way to draw attention to the fact that the Christ was doing something special: through his love for the man Lazarus, he was initiating him, just as the initiates in olden times used the power of love to keep a candidate alive as they separated his etheric body from his physical one, in memory of which the initiate was afterwards known as "the Loved One." This man, Lazarus, later became the apostle John, always referred to as the disciple the Lord "loved."

      -starman
      www.DrStarman.net
    • DoctorStarman@aol.com
      ... *******Well, my memory goes back to Japan in 1945. I d say the US did a pretty good job of transforming that completely undemocratic nation after using
      Message 2 of 14 , Oct 18, 2004
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        social_artist@... writes:
        True sociopaths not only respect power but also crave
        it and find strength wherever it is being unleashed,
        both from the left and the right.
        I'm curious and optomistic about the outcome of
        today's events.  Realizing a democratic nation through
        the unleashing of awesome deadly force from an
        external party in a place that has no experience
        living within a democratic society is something that
        hasn't worked too well in recent memory...


        *******Well, my memory goes back to Japan in 1945. I'd say the US did a pretty good job of transforming that completely undemocratic nation after using deadly force to overwhelm it. Its women, for instance, had as little freedom as those in Afghanistan and Iraq did until this year.

           I think we need to remember that freedom is the "zeitgeist" or spirit of the age, being able to act freely out of your intuition of the right thing to do. Even if group-souls of nations have no tradition of freedom of religion, self-government, etc., the yearning of all human beings in our time is to be free, and the Zeitgeist is far more powerful than the Archangels of each country. If we work with that yearning, give people the means to determine their own lives,  it will succeed sooner or later.


            I'dsay we're at the start of a Third World War the past 3 years, one that will last at least as long as the Cold War, a generation or two. But as long as we stay on the side of peoples' demand for freedom, we'll win.
        -starman
        www.DrStarman.net
      • DoctorStarman@aol.com
        ... *******It s the reason why I have not been very active with the Society in the US, and not at all with the Social Science section, despite being a
        Message 3 of 14 , Oct 18, 2004
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          >I'm curious and optomistic about the outcome of
          >today's events.  Realizing a democratic nation through
          >the unleashing of awesome deadly force from an
          >external party in a place that has no experience
          >living within a democratic society is something that
          >hasn't worked too well in recent memory.

          eyecueco@... writes:
          Guess you have not kept up with what is happening in Afganistan.
          Kaul is no longer a capitol of silence and street beatings of women
          for  not having their berka on straight, Girls are now going to school,
          the soccer field there is now used for athletic games instead of public
          executions (throats slit).
          If you are only watching John Steward and or the MSM no wonder
          you seem confused.
          It is so very sad that there are so very few like Br. Ron.  So many
          don't get it that we are in another world war.  What is especially
          disappointing to me personally is to have discovered, since 9-11
          that the mindset of so many who consider themselves anthroposophists
          is that of left-wing socialism. Socialism is deadly to the developing
          ego consciousness....


          *******It's the reason why I have not been very active with the Society in the US, and not at all with the Social Science section, despite being a professor of the social sciences: the leftist bias. Socialism is a materialistic-thought-based illusion that anyone on the spiritual path must see through eventually. That so many anthroposophists were rabid leftists was depressing to me when I first found it to be so in the 1980s, and only showed me that they had not really gotten anywhere on the Path yet.



          You might possibly consider reading something of Victor
          David Hanson (victorhanson.com).  He knows a thing or two
          about both the classic world, a lot about warfare, and  has
          something intelligent to say about the state of things today.
          He's not an anthropop, but, it is interesting to discover that
          he says essentially the same thing, from a secular voice,
          that Johannes Walter Stein said,  (i.e., that this confrontation
          with the East at the end of the 20th Century) is a battle that
          must be won if the world is to progress onward rather than fall
          back into a tragic dark age. 
          One  of the sorriest points missed by the bleeding heart liberal in his
          or her blinding,  thought-stopping hatred for 'Dubya' is that the time
          has come for the East to be brought into the 21st Century, and if the
          current campaign against the Islamic terrorist, (which I am absolutely 
          convinced is the repetition of the Battle of Salamis predicted by Stein)
          meets with failure, then the chance for the East to move on from tribal,
          group ego consciousness will be lost, with the gravest of consequences
          for the West and civilization in general.
          It is really important for those who call themselves anthopops to remember
          that these conflicts arise first in the higher worlds, and are then played
          out down here below in this sad, broken domain.  It's not nice, it even
          sucks, but, that's the game and the one that we are stuck in for a long
          time to come.  (Another reference to ponder is Trithemius and what he
          tells us about what happens during the Time Reign of the various
          archangels).
          Paulina


          ********As a matter of fact, by Thithemius von Spondheim's 343-year cycles (which Steiner pointed to), a replay or repeat of the Battle of Salamis, which is to say a catclysmic confrontation between the inividuality-denying East and the individual-affirming West, was forecast for either Sept. 2000 or Sept. 2001, depending how you calculate.
          -starman
          www.DrStarman.net
        • DoctorStarman@aol.com
          In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:44:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ... *******Well, it s election time, and Steiner did have a lot to say about the practical
          Message 4 of 14 , Oct 18, 2004
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            In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:44:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, social_artist@... writes:


            My goodness, Br. Ron.  You have some interesting
            points, and your exposition is certainly dramatic;
            however, it is my recollection that political
            discussions in this forum were to be avoided.  In the
            end, it seems to me that the scariest part of today's
            political landscape is the apathetic nature of the
            American people, who more and more spend the length of
            their days eating canned foods off of plastic plates
            in front of the television instead of raising their
            children and organizing social events with their
            neighbors.  This is the reason a fellow like Kerry is
            up for the presidency.  It's not as though the guy had
            to burn down the Reichstag.


            *******Well, it's election time, and Steiner did have a lot to say about the practical world of organizing society. I just fear that allowing political discussions will degenerate into arguments and, as they say, creat "much heat but little light."

                It's amazing how people studying the same material can so easily come to the conclusion that it supports their opinion that one of two candidates is the Devil, while others say the exact same thing is equally clear about his opponent! It all only shows that people haven't really digested the teaching about the Mystery of Evil, that there are two devils. Of any two candidates, I'm sure a case could be made how either of them would advance the cause of evil, because there are two opposite causes of evil.

            -starman
            www.DrStarman.net
          • Renee Lattimore
            Thanks for giving such a eloquent message. On the eve of this election, I have confidence that right will win. Renee Lattimore Br. Ron
            Message 5 of 14 , Nov 1, 2004
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              Thanks for giving such a eloquent message.  On the eve of this election, I have confidence that right will win.
               
              Renee Lattimore

              "Br. Ron" <rlloyd@...> wrote:
               
              This is just my opinion and good folks can disagree.
               
              Qabala is a wonderful spiritual tool because it reveals
              the location of spiritual shadows.
               
              Let's apply this to American politics.
               
              John Kerry to be not only and opportunistic machine
              but a full blown traitor....both in the 70s and now.

              First, look into his face. It doesn't take a Cagliostro to see
              he only occasionally departs from the haunting image of 'just
              another genderless, talking head.'
               
              Clever?...Yes....to the point of demagoguery but more importantly
              he lacks that essential soul quality associated with a vulnerable
              conscience. Kerry seems blissfully free of both passion and heart,
              Bereft of any genuine 'fire in the belly' he lives up to the
              Qabalistic term
              'qliphoth'.....which is but a shell.

              Kerry gets his juice from professional victims and survives
              politically by simple negativity and doubt...by making all things
              pertaining to the US an "error."

              His opportunistic grandstanding in the Seventies torpedoed our
              "might for right" and served to lead to the wholesale
              slaughter of nearly a million Vietnamese after the war...to say
              nothing of setting up Pol Pot's evil rampage in Cambodia.

              Had we been truly the UNITED States in winning that conflict,
              there would have been far fewer human casualties and we would
              have established a bright bastion of freedom in Indochina.
              (A case in point is what we saw taking root this weekend in Afghanistan,
              sporting endless lines of men and women risking life and limb to get
              to vote...... for the first time ever!)

              Regardless of the rampant left wing cynicism, this war
              aint all just about money and oil. It is not even about Iraq or
              the Middle East. It's a cosmic power grab chronicled in the texts of
              every major religion,... albeit by different names.

              There are parasitic forces tempting us from our bravery
              and degrading our duty; our heavenly mandate of sacrifice and
              promulgation of  'Good' performed in manly and knightly ways.
              If this vampirism succeeds, all Life on Earth will cease.

              As a man, I see ridding the world of parasitic tyranny is a
              chivalrous duty. Chivalry is a religion not unlike the Samurai.
              But "Might for Right" is a creed grasped only by practitioners
              of TRUE self sacrificial Love, a concept for which the political left
              gives lip service but has absolutely no grasp.

              Kerry cannot win. ....He MUST NOT win.

              Fortunately, Americans are ultimately driven by an innate sense of right
              and wrong. I trust us to distinguish between the verbose, reflected specter
              of 'lunar light' in contrast to the real thing. True Beings of Light demonstrate
              Spirit and self reliance, not social dependency. They display the self generating
              Solar Light emanating from yes, the Sun of God.

              Remember King Arthur had an effeminate offspring like our slick
              friend. Mordred was massaged, oiled and pussified daily by his
              mother, Morgan LeFay. This lunar witch was Arthur's sister
              with whom he slept. Mordred, the incestual offspring of this union,
              ultimately brought down Arthur's solar kingdom which in truth was
              initiated by the Christos.

              This archetypal gender battle repeating itself once again
              on the stage of American and global politics. The I-Ching has a
              hexagram ('KUN...The Receptive...with a moving line at the top)
              which says:
                  "In the top place the Yin (female) element should yield to the light.
                  If it attempts to maintain a position to which it is not entitled
                  and to rule instead of serving, it draws down on itself the anger
                  of the strong. A struggle ensues in which it is overthrown,
                  with injury, however, to both sides. Therefore, it is a sign
                  that in unnatural contest both primal powers (Male and Female)
                  suffer injury."

              This gender confusion of Yang in relation to Yin is symbolized in
              every religion including the story in Genesis with Adam disconnecting
              from his Reason..his Oversoul in order to follow Eve's impulsive Nature
              worship.

              This sounds sexist...but it isn't. Nor am I suggesting
              the masculine principle is somehow 'better' than the feminine.
              It's just that each has it's appropriate place within ourselves
              and within cosmic order.
              It simply means that Reason should guide impulse and emotion
              in each of us.... at all times. Reason is "The Head of the House"

              Kerry is a Massachusetts 'dandy' who has doubtless been
              circumcised with pinking shears.

              His politics and demeanor are much like his manicure...
              slick...polished and preened strictly for public approval.

              A glib wordsmith he is, a knightly warrior he aint....

              If he ever did rescue the king's maiden daughter, he
              would not have done it for Chivalry ...nor even because it was the
              right thing to do. He would have done it to win the king's daughter
              .........and to latch onto his estate.

              Behold Mordred!

              This terrorist thing upon us now is VERY huge.
              It may not live up to Rudolph Steiner's 'War of All Against All'
              but there definitely is a global religious Jihad/Crusade afoot and it is
              also cosmic. It is the struggle between the forces of civilization .....
              .....and Chaos itself.

              Remember the 'Never Ending Story?'  This drama is unfolding again.
              "The 'Nothing'" approaches and there are two options left to us:
              1. Fight without quarter.
              2. Deny it and choose "peace at any price."
               
              I for one, choose the former because the latter is the
              sure recipe for "short term pleasure, long term pain."

              Hairspray and a razor cuts somehow lose their meaning when
              adorning a severed head.

              Br. Ron


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