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  • LilOleMissy
    On Sep 6, 2004, at 12:28 PM, Mathew Morrell wrote: Thanks LilMiss for the information.  From you I gained two major discussion points that I can use Wed.
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      On Sep 6, 2004, at 12:28 PM, Mathew Morrell wrote:

      Thanks LilMiss for the information.  From you I gained two major
      discussion points that I can use Wed. night.  1.  She gained
      spiritual knowledge through emotional "ecstasies" rather than through
      the a more deliberate, thoughtfull path of the Conscious Mind Soul. 
      2.  Her visions, therefore, tended to be "visual" in nature, which
      would fit right into our class discussion (visual mystical
      experiencies versus non-visual mystical experiences that don't rely
      on the "senses").  Although, in rare instances, she did, to my
      knowledge, have non-visual mystical experiences. In these she placed
      greater value but could not achieve as frequently as the visual type
      like the vision of the hands of Christ, or Christ's wounds, images of
      angelic beings, etc.

      Thanks. 

      Mathew, this is as I understand it. Steiner spoke often of the two
      paths: the inner and the outer. Anthroposophy is the outer pathway, and
      therefore the more difficult. It seems to me the old outdated inner
      pathway may have promoted the "Bride of Christ" thought process so
      often encountered, even in our times, but I'm on shaky ground here.
      You're very welcome.

      Sheila
    • DoctorStarman@aol.com
      In a message dated 9/6/2004 6:10:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ... ******* By the way, the Edgar Cayce Readings recommended William James The Varieties of
      Message 2 of 3 , Sep 7, 2004
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        In a message dated 9/6/2004 6:10:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lilolemissy@... writes:

        On Sep 6, 2004, at 12:28 PM, Mathew Morrell wrote:

        Thanks LilMiss for the information.  From you I gained two major
        discussion points that I can use Wed. night.  1.  She gained
        spiritual knowledge through emotional "ecstasies" rather than through
        the a more deliberate, thoughtfull path of the Conscious Mind Soul.
        2.  Her visions, therefore, tended to be "visual" in nature, which
        would fit right into our class discussion (visual mystical
        experiencies versus non-visual mystical experiences that don't rely
        on the "senses").  Although, in rare instances, she did, to my
        knowledge, have non-visual mystical experiences. In these she placed
        greater value but could not achieve as frequently as the visual type
        like the vision of the hands of Christ, or Christ's wounds, images of
        angelic beings, etc.

        Thanks.

        Mathew, this is as I understand it. Steiner spoke often of the two
        paths: the inner and the outer. Anthroposophy is the outer pathway, and
        therefore the more difficult. It seems to me the old outdated inner
        pathway may have promoted the "Bride of Christ" thought process so
        often encountered, even in our times, but I'm on shaky ground here.
        You're very welcome.

        Sheila


        ******* By the way, the Edgar Cayce Readings recommended William James' "The Varieties of Religious Experience" as a book to help lead to higher consciousness.  It was made from a series of lectures James gave. In it, he reaches the same conclusion Steiner did ----he builds up to the discussion of Mysicism, but then dismisses it as worthless if all it leads to is subjective visions, i. e., the sacred heart of Jesus, his wonderful face etc. etc.
          Denis Milner called Steiner's spirit-science "OBJECTIVE Mysticism" to make the point that it can use the power of higher vision to tell you a cure for cancer, etc.

        -starman
        www.DrStarman.net
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