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Re: [steiner] Digest Number 809

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  • Sarah FE
    Certainty in what are we talking about?
    Message 1 of 2 , Sep 2, 2004
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      Certainty in what are we talking about?

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      > Date: 2 Sep 2004 13:54:43 -0000
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      > Subject: [steiner] Digest Number 809
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      > There is 1 message in this issue.
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      > Topics in this digest:
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      > 1. TALKING POINTS ON CERTAINTY
      > From: "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@...>
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      > Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 04:56:45 -0000
      > From: "Mathew Morrell" <tma4cbt@...>
      > Subject: TALKING POINTS ON CERTAINTY
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      > ** Mr. Reardon (my philosophy of religion teacher) definition of
      > certainty: a firm assent to a proposition because of a motive.
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      > ** Another way to say it is: You are certain because you have reason
      > to believe your certainty is reasonable and justified.
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      > ** Certainty without motive is faith. A person who has faith is
      > faithful, not because he can substantiate his faith through personal
      > experience or through overwhelming proofs, but through irrational,
      > subject reasons (i.e. because he wants and needs to believe).
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      > ** If we tried to relate the concept of certainty with religion, a
      > direct experience of God would be "overwhelming proof" of the
      > presence of God that would make simple faith un-necessary. The
      > mystic's direct experience elevates him above faith by providing him
      > with the motive or the reason to have certainty in God. However,
      > achieving a mystical sense of certainty and sustaining it on a
      > permanent level is impossible for most people. In reality, moments
      > of pure affirmation generally occur in brief flashes and momentary
      > glimpses. The remainder of the time we rely on faith.
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      > ** Therefore faith is a necessary and natural element in life.
      > Through faith we establish a state of trust in our moments of
      > certainty.
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    • Mathew Morrell
      Sweet Sarah asked what kind of certainty that we re talking about. My answere would be that we re just trying to be precise about certainty in itself, what it
      Message 2 of 2 , Sep 4, 2004
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        Sweet Sarah asked what kind of certainty that we're talking about.
        My answere would be that we're just trying to be precise about
        certainty in itself, what it means, how it's used, not necessarily
        certainty towards any one thing in particular.

        Mathew
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