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  • churchinnerlight@aol.com
    ... Dear mr. MT, I can only say that if you can t see your own attitude, no one else can open your eyes to it. As they say in Alcohlics Anonymous, Denial isn t
    Message 1 of 13 , Dec 5, 2003
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      mtelford@... writes:
      Jim,
      I wasnt going to respond to anymore of this - but you have replied totally out of context. Firstly I have NEVER mentioned politics or three fold social order. This entire thread started when Starman WAS Nasty - to Nick Perals - a person he knows nothing about.



      Dear mr. MT,
          I can only say that if you can't see your own attitude, no one else can open your eyes to it. As they say in Alcohlics Anonymous, Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.  I joined this list to hopefully understand more of this anthroposophy Starman talks about. I read what he wrote about the politician in the Phillipines --- who I've heard him mention before, he knows about him--- and he said that the man has his own political stands and says they're derived from Steiner but other people have completely different ones and say they are too! He didn't attack the man personally---you started attacking. And saying he knows nothing about the man is just continuing the nastiness, what you mean is that you have such a strong opinion about YOUR guy being right, that anyone who doesn't agree with him and you has to be ignorant. 

         I'd say it's miles away from showing we've gotten anywhere on the spiritual path when we let ourselves act like that. Isn't anthroposophy a spiritual path?

      I agree with keeping poilitics off here, seeing this! That's all I have to say, I'll go back to just reading.                                                -Jim
    • Joel Ronningen
      Okay. Thanks for making the reply. Since I think that just working on ourselves isn t frankly going to be enough to fulfill our human destinies, I think any
      Message 2 of 13 , Dec 5, 2003
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        Okay. Thanks for making the reply. Since I think that just working on ourselves isn't frankly going to be enough to fulfill our human destinies, I think any discussion of furthering Anthroposophy without including actions that can be taken in the wider context is fairly academic at best. Kind of like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, I think it's been called. But, to each their own. :) It's sad that we have to defer such a vitally important area of action because some can't handle it. There is a lot of wisdom here, and it would be nice to have one place to discuss all the aspects of the work that needs to be done without jumping from group to group. Ah, well.
        Thanks again, Dr.!


        Joel Ronningen
        ronningen@...

        --- On Fri 12/05, < DRStarman2001@... > wrote:
        From: [mailto: DRStarman2001@...]
        To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:07:56 EST
        Subject: Re: [steiner] Re: The List- and Why Politics is Off Topic

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        So, again just out of curiousity, how do you think it is going to be <BR>
        possible to change the status quo, which is lamentably political - <BR>
        without using (or at least for heavens sake discussing and <BR>
        understanding) politics?� I'm content to discuss whatever people <BR>
        bring up, and it's your forum - you can do what you like, but I think <BR>
        you need some discernment on what is and isn't bad "political" <BR>
        postings and what is necessary for growth.<BR>
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        ******* I don't think this discussion group is going to "change the status quo"of the whole world, or of whatever society members live in. It's a mailing list for a few hundred people to share their understanding of Steiner. He said, We have only to do what is right and leave everything else to evolution. And he was clear that the Anthroposophical Society was not a place for political agitation. The two appear to me to be opposites---that is, the people most worked-up about politics show the least understanding of Steiner.<BR>
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        ��� As I've said repeatedly here, there is a list for discussion of politics out of anthroposophy, one which I post to and anyone is welcome to join, EsotericPolitics@.... People who want to argue politics (and in my experience that's all it leads to, is arguing) can do so there. This list is for general discussion of Steiner and anthroposophy, and I decided politics is off-topic after seeing the negativity it engenders destroy other online lists--- and I think most people here agree it's a good rule.� <BR>
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        -Starman<BR>
        http://www.DrStarman.net</FONT>
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