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  • lilolemissy
    Hello, Plong, Welcome on board and thank you for writing. As you ve noticed, there are quite a few on the list involved with Waldorf et al, and we can t ever
    Message 1 of 27 , Dec 3, 2003
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      Hello, Plong,
       
      Welcome on board and thank you for writing. As you've noticed, there are quite a few on the list involved with Waldorf et al, and we can't ever find too many going into such a wonderful aspect of Anthroposophy!
       
      I'm interested in your science pursuits, too, and wonder if you might be into the type of technology involved with computers. There seem to be more and more APs involed in technologies of all sorts - Hooray!
       
      Thanks for writing and for the intro! :)
       
      Cheers,
       
      Sheila
      hello everybody,

      Just want everyone to know that I am no spammer. I have been following your
      discussions all along.

      My interest is on science and technology. I took a one-year holistic science
      course at Schumacher College ,UK. I also spent some time working in a
      Biodynamic Garden for four months and visiting Camphill communities. I am
      currently enrolled in a Waldorf teacher training course in London.

      I have read most of Steiner's lectures on the sciences and his ideas on the
      three-fold social order. I find his lecture on World Economy very
      interesting. There are a number of people who are promoting his economic
      ideas both in the grassroots level and on the academic arena like Nicanor
      Perlas in South East Asia and Christopher Budd in the UK.

      All the best,

      plong




      >From: "reneelattimore" <reneelattimore@...>
      >Reply-To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
      >To: steiner@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [steiner] Re: The List-
      >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:30:45 -0000
      >
      >--- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, DRStarman2001@a... wrote:
      > > In a message dated 11/20/2003 7:05:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
      > > radistasi@p... writes:
      > >
      > > >
      > > > Starman,
      > > >
      > > > I know that this list is public but a possible solution to
      >spammers is to
      > > > ask new comers to list some of the books they have read on
      >Anthroposophy and to
      > > > ask them to write you a short essay on their particular interest
      >in
      > > > Anthroposophy.
      > > >
      > > > In other words there needs to develop a means to weed out
      >spammers before
      > > > they join the group.
      > > >
      > > > rick distasi
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > *******Well, I'm going to do something like that---namely, note
      >and inquire
      > > of new members joining. In the past few weeks, for instance, we've
      >had new
      > > members:
      > >
      > >  Renee Lattimore    (in late October)---- and then in November:
      > >  Brent Wilson of Kansas City
      > >  "Dragonfliesare dancing"
      > >  G. Renquist
      > >  "biblia1703" from the U.K.
      > > "Dianatomi16"
      > >  "Vindexeuropa" and
      > > "plongplong0525". (The last one I suspect is another spammer.)
      > >
      > > Why don't you all introduce yourselves and say what you're
      >interested in
      > > seeing on this group?
      > >
      > >     And by the way, another reminder: Christmas is approaching
      >(Advent starts
      > > Nov. 30th), and we traditionally take a book to study together for
      >the 12
      > > Holy Nights here. What might people be interested in reading
      >together?
      > > -Starman
      > >
      > > http://www.DrStarman.net
      >

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    • DRStarman2001@aol.com
      plong_plong@hotmail.com writes: ... ********Glad to hear you re a real person, plong , and not just a screen name to be used to spam the list. Seemed like
      Message 2 of 27 , Dec 3, 2003
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        plong_plong@... writes:

        hello everybody,
        Just want everyone to know that I am no spammer. I have been following your
        discussions all along.
        My interest is on science and technology. I took a one-year holistic science
        course at Schumacher College ,UK. I also spent some time working in a
        Biodynamic Garden for four months and visiting Camphill communities. I am
        currently enrolled in a Waldorf teacher training course in London.
        I have read most of Steiner's lectures on the sciences and his ideas on the
        three-fold social order. I find his lecture on World Economy very
        interesting. There are a number of people who are promoting his economic
        ideas both in the grassroots level and on the academic arena like Nicanor
        Perlas in South East Asia and Christopher Budd in the UK.
        All the best,
        plong


        ********Glad to hear you're a real person, "plong", and not just a screen name to be used to spam the list. Seemed like the type of name they'd choose.

            I have to say that much of what I hear from people like Perlas has little relation to Steiner's "Threefold Social Order" ideas, in my opinion, but rather is people using his name to spread their own, quite different, opinions. For instance, Steiner advocated an economic sphere quite distinct and separate from the political state, which would follow only its own (purely economic) laws --- and so also with the "cultural" sphere (so, for instance, the Waldorf Schools are private schools, not run by governments). But it appears to me that many of the people saying they follow Steiner want MORE control of the economy by the government, not less. ;-> [Not to mention the anti-Western Civilization bias and blindness to the current war of Wahabbi Islam on civilization, which Steiner predicted as the result of the rise of the Sun Demon Sorath 666 in 1998, as we've discussed here.]

            I find, in my experience for many years now, that often they are just socialists or communists with a thin "coating of Steiner" on top, and once you draw them out in discussion, out come the Marxist slogans that show what they really think--- which is that the government should take over the economy "for everybody's good". That is definitely NOT the teaching of Rudolf Steiner!

        -Starman

        >>>
        >>>Starman,
        >>>I know that this list is public but a possible solution to spammers is to
        >>>ask new comers to list some of the books they have read on
        >Anthroposophy and to ask them to write you a short essay on their particular interest in Anthroposophy.
        >>>In other words there needs to develop a means to weed out
        >spammers before
        >>>they join the group.
        >>>rick distasi
        >>>
        >>>
        >>>
        >>*******Well, I'm going to do something like that---namely, note
        >and inquire of new members joining. In the past few weeks, for instance, we've
        >had new members:
        >>
        >> Renee Lattimore   (in late October)---- and then in November:
        >> Brent Wilson of Kansas City
        >> "Dragonfliesare dancing"
        >> G. Renquist
        >> "biblia1703" from the U.K.
        >>"Dianatomi16"
        >> "Vindexeuropa" and
        >>"plongplong0525". (The last one I suspect is another spammer.)
        >>
        >>Why don't you all introduce yourselves and say what you're
        >interested in seeing on this group?
        >>
        >>   And by the way, another reminder: Christmas is approaching
        >(Advent starts Nov. 30th), and we traditionally take a book to study together for
        >the 12 Holy Nights here. What might people be interested in reading
        >together?
        >>-Starman
      • MT
        Nicholas Perlas is a champion of Anthroposophy. Anthroposophy s life blood is meeting people face to face and the credibitlity comes from the connections of
        Message 3 of 27 , Dec 3, 2003
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          Nicholas Perlas is a champion of Anthroposophy. Anthroposophy's life blood is meeting people face to face and the credibitlity comes from the connections of people to people. I cannot concur with your assessment of Nicholas Perley. It only puts your credibility at odds with his.
          MT
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:51 PM
          Subject: Re: [steiner] Re: The List-

          plong_plong@... writes:

          hello everybody,
          Just want everyone to know that I am no spammer. I have been following your
          discussions all along.
          My interest is on science and technology. I took a one-year holistic science
          course at Schumacher College ,UK. I also spent some time working in a
          Biodynamic Garden for four months and visiting Camphill communities. I am
          currently enrolled in a Waldorf teacher training course in London.
          I have read most of Steiner's lectures on the sciences and his ideas on the
          three-fold social order. I find his lecture on World Economy very
          interesting. There are a number of people who are promoting his economic
          ideas both in the grassroots level and on the academic arena like Nicanor
          Perlas in South East Asia and Christopher Budd in the UK.
          All the best,
          plong


          ********Glad to hear you're a real person, "plong", and not just a screen name to be used to spam the list. Seemed like the type of name they'd choose.

              I have to say that much of what I hear from people like Perlas has little relation to Steiner's "Threefold Social Order" ideas, in my opinion, but rather is people using his name to spread their own, quite different, opinions. For instance, Steiner advocated an economic sphere quite distinct and separate from the political state, which would follow only its own (purely economic) laws --- and so also with the "cultural" sphere (so, for instance, the Waldorf Schools are private schools, not run by governments). But it appears to me that many of the people saying they follow Steiner want MORE control of the economy by the government, not less. ;-> [Not to mention the anti-Western Civilization bias and blindness to the current war of Wahabbi Islam on civilization, which Steiner predicted as the result of the rise of the Sun Demon Sorath 666 in 1998, as we've discussed here.]

              I find, in my experience for many years now, that often they are just socialists or communists with a thin "coating of Steiner" on top, and once you draw them out in discussion, out come the Marxist slogans that show what they really think--- which is that the government should take over the economy "for everybody's good". That is definitely NOT the teaching of Rudolf Steiner!

          -Starman

          >>>
          >>>Starman,
          >>>I know that this list is public but a possible solution to spammers is to
          >>>ask new comers to list some of the books they have read on
          >Anthroposophy and to ask them to write you a short essay on their particular interest in Anthroposophy.
          >>>In other words there needs to develop a means to weed out
          >spammers before
          >>>they join the group.
          >>>rick distasi
          >>>
          >>>
          >>>
          >>*******Well, I'm going to do something like that---namely, note
          >and inquire of new members joining. In the past few weeks, for instance, we've
          >had new members:
          >>
          >> Renee Lattimore   (in late October)---- and then in November:
          >> Brent Wilson of Kansas City
          >> "Dragonfliesare dancing"
          >> G. Renquist
          >> "biblia1703" from the U.K.
          >>"Dianatomi16"
          >> "Vindexeuropa" and
          >>"plongplong0525". (The last one I suspect is another spammer.)
          >>
          >>Why don't you all introduce yourselves and say what you're
          >interested in seeing on this group?
          >>
          >>   And by the way, another reminder: Christmas is approaching
          >(Advent starts Nov. 30th), and we traditionally take a book to study together for
          >the 12 Holy Nights here. What might people be interested in reading
          >together?
          >>-Starman


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        • Joel
          which would follow only its own (purely economic) laws I m curious about this, Dr. - surely we cannot expect the economic institutions to draft and accept
          Message 4 of 27 , Dec 4, 2003
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            "which would follow only its own (purely economic) laws" I'm curious
            about this, Dr. - surely we cannot expect the economic institutions
            to draft and accept laws themselves that regulate their own
            behavior? With the obvious disrespect for any laws already shown by
            Enron, et al? I haven't read the ThreeFold Order materials,
            obviously - just wondering if you could shed a little light on how
            economic arenas can be kept seperate and regulated. Isn't
            interconnection between all aspects of society still vital?

            --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, DRStarman2001@a... wrote:
            > plong_plong@h... writes:>
            > > hello everybody,
            > > Just want everyone to know that I am no spammer. I have been
            following your
            > > discussions all along.
            > > My interest is on science and technology. I took a one-year
            holistic science
            > >
            > > course at Schumacher College ,UK. I also spent some time working
            in a
            > > Biodynamic Garden for four months and visiting Camphill
            communities. I am
            > > currently enrolled in a Waldorf teacher training course in London.
            > > I have read most of Steiner's lectures on the sciences and his
            ideas on the
            > > three-fold social order. I find his lecture on World Economy very
            > > interesting. There are a number of people who are promoting his
            economic
            > > ideas both in the grassroots level and on the academic arena like
            Nicanor
            > > Perlas in South East Asia and Christopher Budd in the UK.
            > > All the best,
            > > plong
            >
            > ********Glad to hear you're a real person, "plong", and not just a
            screen
            > name to be used to spam the list. Seemed like the type of name
            they'd choose.
            >
            > I have to say that much of what I hear from people like Perlas
            has little
            > relation to Steiner's "Threefold Social Order" ideas, in my
            opinion, but
            > rather is people using his name to spread their own, quite
            different, opinions.
            > For instance, Steiner advocated an economic sphere quite distinct
            and separate
            > from the political state, which would follow only its own (purely
            economic)
            > laws --- and so also with the "cultural" sphere (so, for instance,
            the Waldorf
            > Schools are private schools, not run by governments). But it
            appears to me that
            > many of the people saying they follow Steiner want MORE control of
            the economy
            > by the government, not less. ;-> [Not to mention the anti-Western
            > Civilization bias and blindness to the current war of Wahabbi Islam
            on civilization,
            > which Steiner predicted as the result of the rise of the Sun Demon
            Sorath 666 in
            > 1998, as we've discussed here.]
            >
            > I find, in my experience for many years now, that often they
            are just
            > socialists or communists with a thin "coating of Steiner" on top,
            and once you
            > draw them out in discussion, out come the Marxist slogans that show
            what they
            > really think--- which is that the government should take over the
            economy "for
            > everybody's good". That is definitely NOT the teaching of Rudolf
            Steiner!
            >
            > -Starman
            > >
            > > >>>
            > > >>>Starman,
            > > >>>I know that this list is public but a possible solution to
            spammers is to
            > > >>>ask new comers to list some of the books they have read on
            > > >Anthroposophy and to ask them to write you a short essay on
            their
            > > particular interest in Anthroposophy.
            > > >>>In other words there needs to develop a means to weed out
            > > >spammers before
            > > >>>they join the group.
            > > >>>rick distasi
            > > >>>
            > > >>>
            > > >>>
            > > >>*******Well, I'm going to do something like that---namely, note
            > > >and inquire of new members joining. In the past few weeks, for
            instance,
            > > we've
            > > >had new members:
            > > >>
            > > >> Renee Lattimore (in late October)---- and then in November:
            > > >> Brent Wilson of Kansas City
            > > >> "Dragonfliesare dancing"
            > > >> G. Renquist
            > > >> "biblia1703" from the U.K.
            > > >>"Dianatomi16"
            > > >> "Vindexeuropa" and
            > > >>"plongplong0525". (The last one I suspect is another spammer.)
            > > >>
            > > >>Why don't you all introduce yourselves and say what you're
            > > >interested in seeing on this group?
            > > >>
            > > >> And by the way, another reminder: Christmas is approaching
            > > >(Advent starts Nov. 30th), and we traditionally take a book to
            study
            > > together for
            > > >the 12 Holy Nights here. What might people be interested in
            reading
            > > >together?
            > > >>-Starman
          • Durward Starman
            The CALENDAR OF THE SOUL Dr. Rudolf Steiner gave out the Soul-Calendar in 1912, consisting of 52 meditative mantras to enable us to experience the astral
            Message 5 of 27 , Oct 31, 2010
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                The 'CALENDAR OF THE SOUL' 
                 Dr. Rudolf Steiner gave out the 'Soul-Calendar' in 1912, consisting of 52 meditative mantras to enable us to experience the 'astral' (soul) events occurring within us as well as in Nature during the year, starting with the first mantra every year on Easter Sunday. We experience all this unconsciously all through the year, but these meditative verses enable us to become conscious of it.
                   The mantras for each week are well known to many students of Steiner, but the original 'Calendar ' also had 12 Images of the Zodiac, to be meditated with each month (to sense the working of the 'solar' forces in the cosmos), plus a listing of the Moon's phases & position in the signs each night (for sensing the 'lunar' forces), and a list of dates of births and deaths of spiritual figures and dates of events to contemplate on specific days. Here's the Soul-Calendar restored to this complete form, with some details added on the planets in the night sky this week as well.

                                                                     *******
                          THE ZODIAC IMAGE
                 The Sun, according to the Doctor, is under the influence of the constellation LIBRA from Oct. 13th to Nov. 9th in our era.  A version (done by Margaret Roessler) of a new symbolic image of the SCALES from the original Soul-Calendar (created originally by artist Imma von Eckherdstein from Dr. Steiner's sketches & indications) in the color he said corresponded to the sign, VIOLET, is attached to this e-mail.

                        THE WEEK'S MANTRA:
                  For those not familiar with the use of mantras: The anthroposophic spiritual path uses symbolic images, like the Zodiac image (called 'Imaginations' ), to awaken 'spiritual sight', and mantras ('Inspirations' ) to open 'spiritual hearing.' The meaning of the words of a mantra at first sight is not important, but rather what happens when you recite it and enter with deeper soul-forces into its inner experience. Also, these mantras were created in the German language and have their rhythms in that, so learning an English version is just a step to using the original; I've kept close to it in translating, so anyone can easily go from English to German.


               

               *  M A N T R A  # 3 1  *

               

              Das Licht aus Geistestiefen,

              Nach aussen strebt es sonnenhaft:

              Es wird zur Lebenswillenskraft

              Und leuchtet in der Sinne Dumpfheit,

              Um Kräfte zu entbinden,

              Die Schaffensmächte aus Seelentrieben

              In Menschenwerke reifen lassen.

               

              The Light out of Spirit-Depths

              Strives outwards like the Sun:

              It turns into Life-Will-Force

              And shines into the Senses' Dullness,

              Powers to release,

              That Shaping-Might out of Soul-Drives

              In Man's Work will let ripen.

               

               

              This week's mantra:

                  The season of Autumn is the Michaelmas time, in which we are meant to develop Self (inner)-consciousness instead of the Nature (outer)-consciousness we had all Summer.

                  Last week, we felt this growing thinking consciousness directing all our feelings from vagueness to certainty, as our summer soul-experience awakened fully.

                   This week, the verse focuses our attention on the spiritual light of thinking and how it seeks to turn to the outer world, turning into will-forces for living and illuminating the otherwise dull sense-existence, and thus turning the blind urges of the soul into creatively-shaping forces.


                

                        THE DAYS OF THE WEEK: 


              Sunday, October 31st. Moon Virgo. Wolfgang.

              Monday,  November 1st.  Moon Virgo. Catholic Festival of All Hallows ((became since the seventh century celebrated, as an imitation of the worship that was used in the Pantheon in Rome for all the heathen Gods. The Pantheon was given to Pope Boniface IV by Caesar Photius and consecrated to all the Holies.)
               
              Tuesday,  November 2nd. Moon Virgo. Festival of All Souls (since 1020 as a Catholic Festival established).


              Wednesday,   November 3rdMoon Libra. Malachi (the Prophet).

               

              Thursday,   November 4thMoon Libra. 1493 Columbus landed in Guadaloupe.

                

              Friday,    November 5th. Moon Scorpio. 1494 Hans Sachs born.


              Saturday,    November 6th. Moon Scorpio. New Moon.  1771 Senefelder, the inventor of Lithography, born.

                  

              ******* PLANETS IN THE NIGHT SKY:
              Brilliant JUPITER is high in the southeast at sunset and may be seen in the southern sky all night long.
               
              -Starman

              www.DrStarman.com

            • Durward Starman
              The CALENDAR OF THE SOUL Dr. Rudolf Steiner gave out the Soul-Calendar in 1912, consisting of 52 meditative mantras to enable us to experience the
              Message 6 of 27 , Oct 27, 2013
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              The 'CALENDAR OF THE SOUL'
                   Dr. Rudolf Steiner gave out the 'Soul-Calendar' in 1912, consisting of 52 meditative mantras to enable us to experience the 'astral' (soul) events occurring within us as well as in Nature during the year, starting with the 1st mantra every year on Easter Sunday. We experience this unconsciously all through the year, but these meditative verses enable us to become conscious of it.

                   The mantras for each week are well known to many students of Steiner, but the original 'Calendar ' also had 12 Images of the Zodiac, to be meditated with each month (to sense the working of the 'solar' forces in the cosmos), plus a listing of the Moon's phases & position in the signs each night (for sensing the 'lunar' forces), and a list of dates of births and deaths of spiritual figures and dates of events to contemplate on specific days.
                    Here's the Soul-Calendar restored to this complete form, with some details added on the planets this week as well.

              THE ZODIAC IMAGE
                   The Sun, according to the Doctor, is under the influence of the constellation LIBRA from October 13th through November 9th in our era. A version (done by Margot Roessler) of a new symbolic image of the SCALES from the original Soul-Calendar (created originally by artist Imma von Eckherdstein from Dr. Steiner's sketches & indications) in the color he said corresponded to the sign, violet, is attached to this e-mail.
               

                                                                   

                                                       

                              THE WEEK'S MANTRA:

                  For those not familiar with the use of mantras: The anthroposophical spiritual path uses symbolic images, like the Zodiac image (called 'Imaginations' ), to awaken 'spiritual sight', and mantras ('Inspirations' ) to open 'spiritual hearing.' The meaning of the words of a mantra at first sight is not important, but rather what happens when you recite it and enter with deeper soul-forces into its inner experience. Also, these mantras were created in the German language and have their rhythms in that, so learning an English version is just a step to using the original; I've kept close to it in translating, so anyone can easily go from English to German. 

                                          

               

                                                    

                                                  * MANTRA # 31  *


              Das Licht aus Geistestiefen,

              Nach aussen strebt es sonnenhaft:

              Es wird zur Lebenswillenskraft

              Und leuchtet in der Sinne Dumpfheit,

              Um Kräfte zu entbinden,

              Die Schaffensmächte aus Seelentrieben

              In Menschenwerke reifen lassen.

               

              The Light out of Spirit-Depths

              Strives outwards like the Sun:

              It turns into Life-Will-Force

              And shines into the Senses' Dullness,

              The Powers to unleash,

              So that Shaping-Might out of Soul-Drives

              In Man's Work will allow to ripen. 

               
              THE DAYS OF THE WEEK:

               

              Sunday, October 27th. Moon Leo.  Sabina.


              Monday, October 28th. Moon Virgo.  Simeon and Judas (relatives of Jesus). 1704 John Locke died. 1466 Erasmus of Rotterdam born.


              Tuesday, October 29th. Moon Virgo. Narcissus.

                         

              Wednesday,  October 30th. Moon Virgo Claudius.


              Thursday, October 31st. Moon Libra  Wolfgang.


              Friday  November 1st. Moon Libra.  Catholic Festival of All Hallows (became since the seventh century celebrated, as an imitation of the worship that was used in the Pantheon in Rome for all the heathen Gods. The Pantheon was given to Pope Boniface IV by Caesar Photius and consecrated to all the Holies.)


              Saturday,  November 2nd. Moon Scorpio. Festival of All Souls (since 1020 as a Catholic Festival established).


               


              ******* PLANETS IN THE EVENING SKY:

               

                 Venus is the bright white 'star' in the West at sunset.

               

              www.DrStarman.com
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