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Re: [steiner] Re: Mammon

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  • DRStarman2001@aol.com
    Dr Starman writes; .....the lifting free of the economic life from the political and cultural spheres previously restricting it was the concomitant phenomena
    Message 1 of 33 , Nov 1, 2003

      Dr Starman writes;
      .....the'lifting free' of the economic life from the political and
      cultural spheres previously restricting it was the concomitant
      phenomena to the human Spirit first becoming truly free of the soul
      about the 15th century, which is the reason for our modern
      consciousness, starting with the Renaissance, Reformation & the free
      market'....


      derekelleray2000@... writes:
      Do you not recognise the misuse of freedom by the multi-national
      corporations?



      ******* Such as what? The freedom to trade? "Multi-national corporation" is not a synonym for the Devil: that old slogan has worn a bit thin in the modern age. Yahoo! is a multinational corporation (and the only way we have this international list); Microsoft is a multi-national corporation, Ford, Coca-Cola, etc. So, everyone working for one is damned? This has nothing to do with Steiner's ideas, and none of his work supports such a position. It was the multi-national coprorations that pressed South Africa to repeal apartheid, that pressed India and Pakistan to the peace table, etc.


      >>I notice that no-one on this site (at least within the past 2 or 3
      months) has mentioned "threefolding" an idea started by Rudolf
      Steiner in several books.
      "Threefolding  GA 305 RSE 692
      Threefolding the social order GA 305 RSE 840
      The threefold order GA330 RSE 252

      ********I haven't, for the obvious reason that the 'Threefold' ideas were long ago  taken over by socialists who use that as a platform for all sorts of hate-filled  speech. Such emotional negativity accomplishes nothing except to poison the atmosphere of a discussion group, which is why politics is off-topic here.

           I've studied the real Threefold ideas for many years, and in my experience they have almost nothing in common with what is usually said. All attempted discussions of them seem to quickly involve the wild-eyed ranting of political demagogues, not level-headed reason, so they're best left alone.


      >>Read Nicanor Perlas, an anthroposophist from the Philippines in his
      support for "civil society" the 3rd "leg" to balance the economic
      hegemony of the multi-nationals and the political power of the
      nation states.


      *******He's a good example: I just saw yet another hate-filled, anti-U.S, screed of his. Anyone can call himself an anthroposophist and say his personal opinions are 'based' on anthroposophy, but I think spiritual science supports his demagoguery about as much as Van Morrison could use it to support his drinking while still considering himself a 'student' of Steiner.

         A discussion of the Threefold Social Order would have to start with Threefold Man, and would have to be dispassionate. I doubt such can be accomplished here. As stated repeatedly, there is an anthro group called Esoteric Politics that would be ideal for such: esotericpolitics@yahoogroups.com.

      -Starman
      http://www.DrStarman.net
    • DRStarman2001@aol.com
      In a message dated 11/21/2003 7:42:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... *******Right now I m very busy with preparations for Christmas, but the 12 images start
      Message 33 of 33 , Nov 30, 2003
        In a message dated 11/21/2003 7:42:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, Cheeseandsalsa@... writes:


        I am expressing interest in studying the drawings to let you know.  My content is lacking in this subject.  Thank you so much for your time and knowledge it helped straighten out some rough edges! Chantel


        *******Right now I'm very busy with preparations for Christmas, but the 12 images start with Pisces in the spring. So when February rolls around, why don't we start with the first one? I can put the original sketches and Steiner's notations here in the group's Files section.
           I've heard of other people who have done drawings or paintings of the 12 also. Does anyone know who they are? Maybe we could compare.

        -Starman
        http://www.DrStarman.net
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