Re: [steiner] Digest Number 573
- Hi Sheila!
I don't know a lot about MRA. What I do know is it stands for Moral
Re-armament and has its headquarters in Switzerland. It originated in the US
as The Oxford Group in the 1930s or 40s by Frank Buchman, and was inspired
by the World Wars of the time. Here's a website I just found that explains
it more thoroughly;
There are more indepth websites that take more objective stances.
Today they have changed a lot from what they were and have instituted the
'Forgiveness Factor', which encourages meetings between past rival
cultures/religions, ie forgiveness between Christians and Moslems, Black and
White South Africans and so on. I started a yahoogroup to find out more.
Only one person joined; ie the one in question. Our discussions remained
cordial until I suggested that a lot of MRA 'forgiveness choices' were
stereotyped and that it would be a very healing gesture for America to be
forgiven for her past wrongs! After saying this the gentleman in question
became increasingly belligerent, intimidating and insulting. I stopped
responding at that point and after about 10 more posts, he fizzled out. Now
he turns up here! LOL! Actually I think he's unsubbed, or is back under
another nom de plume. 'Ishtar Must Die', in the light you explain it,
suggests to me there is a little misogyny lurking! Steve, if you are still
here, may I suggest finally 'forgiving' Ishtar?
Actually, I'd be interested in anyone else's ideas on the MRA movement and
if there is any anthropological perspective.
Nice to hear from you Sheila,
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:35:26 -0700
From: "LilOleMissy" <lilolemissy@...>
Subject: RE: Re: Digest Number 569
Dear Sarah and Friends,
I plead total ignorance as to what MRA is, Sarah, and would be grateful to
know what it is? In all honesty, America does seem to be a mess in so very
many ways, and I say that as an American who loves her country. Not only
that, but I live in California, "The Land of Fruits and Nuts!" :) ACK! But
it does go to illustrate how "things" aren't always as they seem, I think?
I was really interested in your experience with Iranians and their "black
magic," since such matters seem far more widespread than perhaps most of us
realize. As a child growing up in New Orleans, I often came across
"strange" happenings among some of the people there, mostly those from the
various islands and island nations such as Barbados, Bermuda, Haiti, etc.,
and later came some similar "strange" things among some of the American
Indian Tribes. I've read about the aborigines in places such as Australia
with their "dreaming" and "questionable" practices, so it would seem a
world-wide influence among many. I'd really enjoy hearing more about your
Where is it that Steiner speaks of Ishtar and Eabani [?] - this is in
relation to the ishtarmustdie name, which seems to make good sense to me.
There's something about Ishtar, a Goddess who is morally "questionable"
around men, having seduced Eabani and thereby having bound him to the Earth
in a way he did not wish, forcing him deeper into physical matter with even
more struggling to regain even his former status in the Spiritual Worlds.
Gilgamesh becomes jealous, of course, further complicating matters, and one
is able to understand WHY Ishtar must die....i.e. the Physical must
transform itself into the Spiritual.
Sarah, it's good to see you posting again - we've all become far too silent
on the list but then who am I to speak?! :)
- Dear Sarah,
WOW! I really want to thank you for the MRA information and you're right
about the web site. I didn't have time to read it as thoroughly as I intend
to ASAP, but it certainly seems to go along with truly great concepts! I
wonder if the Quakers are into it as well, even though Buchman apparently
wasn't a Quaker at all. Didn't Steiner say something about the Quakers
being the closest to Anthroposophy in their love and practices? I'll look
into it more, and especially about the Forgiveness Factor the entire world
might take to heart, and it seems to me it could well apply to the Epic of
Gilgamesh with Ishtar's role which Steiner mentioned so often. He may have
mentioned it in his "Gospel of St. Matthew," which I'm trying to digest bit
by bit - AGAIN! :) Thanks, Gal! And besides all that coming as a Gift, I
was happy to hear from you down there in beautiful Perth in the gorgeous
land of OZ! I doubt that little tyke is so little any longer! Do you still
have your web site?
> Hi Sheila!
> I don't know a lot about MRA. What I do know is it stands for Moral
> Re-armament and has its headquarters in Switzerland. It originated in the
> as The Oxford Group in the 1930s or 40s by Frank Buchman, and was inspiredand
> by the World Wars of the time. Here's a website I just found that explains
> it more thoroughly;
> There are more indepth websites that take more objective stances.
> Today they have changed a lot from what they were and have instituted the
> 'Forgiveness Factor', which encourages meetings between past rival
> cultures/religions, ie forgiveness between Christians and Moslems, Black
> White South Africans and so on.