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  • Sarah
    Dear Starman and others; I came across an article that asked this question; Why is the thought of an innocent Iraqi, unintentionally killed or maimed by
    Message 1 of 3 , Feb 20 5:54 AM
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      Dear Starman and others; I came across an article that asked this question;
       
      "Why is the thought of an innocent Iraqi, unintentionally killed or maimed by allied bombs, so much more unacceptable than the thought of thousands of innocent Iraqis tortured and killed by Saddam?"
       
      Another article pointed out that millions of people are marching against a possible tragedy from war, but they were not marching against all the atrocities caused by Hussein. I suggest that THEREFORE, their campaigne is ideological (ie anti-capitalist) and not based on a genuine desire to halt human suffering!
       
      During the weekend protest marches, the 'anti-war' leftists were carrying banners saying 'it's all about oil'. I'd like to get a counter protest march going with a banner 'it's all about anti-capitalism'.
       
      I don't know what you think, Dr Starman, but I'm starting to wonder if the greatest danger to our free world is perhaps not from the moslem extremists or Bush, but from the far Left and their anti capitalist myths based on superficial morality, fuelled by the whole anti war campaigne? If they gain too much power then we could stagnate, or even devolve...
       
       
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    • S. Groth <sgroth@bredband.net>
      ... question; ... maimed by allied bombs, so much more unacceptable than the thought of thousands of innocent Iraqis tortured and killed by Saddam? A very
      Message 2 of 3 , Feb 20 5:56 AM
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        --- In steiner@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <sarahwh@t...> wrote:
        > Dear Starman and others; I came across an article that asked this
        question;
        >
        > "Why is the thought of an innocent Iraqi, unintentionally killed or
        maimed by allied bombs, so much more unacceptable than the thought of
        thousands of innocent Iraqis tortured and killed by Saddam?"

        A very legitimate question I agree peacedemonstrators fail to adress
        - though my solution migth be a bit differing from yours :-)
        ie:
        --- In theecoanarchistclub@yahoogroups.com, mogwai98102
        <no_reply@y...> wrote:

        >
        > I went to a the anti-war protest in Seattle, saturday. This was the
        > biggest demo in Seattle since the WTO (estimates are from between 20
        > and 50 thousand people) which is a large turnout in a city of only
        > 500,000 people. What struck me, however, was how docile the crowd
        > behaved-only one arrest. Clearly, Bush will ignore these protests and
        > continue his long-standing plans for war. The only hope for averting
        > this war would be large-scale rioting in AMERICAN cities...

        Well I still think that ignoring the fascist regime of Saddam as a
        non-issue for waropposition and peacedemonstration is
        counterproductive ... active support for large scale rioting in Iraq
        qould certainly also stop this war.. if Saddam was ousted by the iraqi
        opposition, the genuine people's opposition, which is the moderate
        shiite moslems & the iraqi commie's, who even manage to cooperate -
        They are the onliest one's actually figthing there and having any
        organisation in Iraq - the rest of the opposition is former fascists,
        who sit in Washington begging for war, so they can get in and replace
        Sadddam - become a new dictator getting a piece of the cake by
        promising loyalty to the West - just as all the other either
        nationalist-fascist or islamo-feodal regimes in the area -

        Man if all the 10 millions that put energy on protesting war, also
        gave just some hours of effort, some money aso to support the iraqi
        people's own opposition to Saddam .. that would really be
        revolutionary - and hurt the warmongers much more than your proposal -
        the figth is global

        Sören Groth

        Support http://www.wpiraq.org/english/
      • DRStarman2001@aol.com
        sarahwh@tpgi.com.au writes: ... ********We re taught in anthroposophy about a being Steiner called Ahriman who deceives us into thinking things are so that
        Message 3 of 3 , Feb 20 6:39 AM
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          sarahwh@... writes:

          Dear Starman and others; I came across an article that asked this question;
          "Why is the thought of an innocent Iraqi, unintentionally killed or maimed by allied bombs, so much more unacceptable than the thought of thousands of innocent Iraqis tortured and killed by Saddam?"
          Another article pointed out that millions of people are marching against a possible tragedy from war, but they were not marching against all the atrocities caused by Hussein. I suggest that THEREFORE, their campaigne is ideological (ie anti-capitalist) and not based on a genuine desire to halt human suffering!
          During the weekend protest marches, the 'anti-war' leftists were carrying banners saying 'it's all about oil'. I'd like to get a counter protest march going with a banner 'it's all about anti-capitalism'.
          I don't know what you think, Dr Starman, but I'm starting to wonder if the greatest danger to our free world is perhaps not from the moslem extremists or Bush, but from the far Left and their anti capitalist myths based on superficial morality, fuelled by the whole anti war campaigne? If they gain too much power then we could stagnate, or even devolve...
          ¸..· ´¨¨))  -:¦:-
              ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
            ((¸¸.·´  ..·´   -:¦:- Sarah
          -:¦:-    ((¸¸.·´*      


          ********We're taught in anthroposophy about a being Steiner called Ahriman who deceives us into thinking things are so that aren't so. There are many forms of this deception. But nothing could be worse than to identify one group of people or another as victims of it, as some people want to use anthroposophy for. The Ahrimanic deception isn't oil companies and their workers taking oil out of the ground, it's the spiritual trance that all human beings are being kept in that keeps us seeing only the material, such as the economic, as being real, as in Marxism, naturalism, socialism, Darwinism, modern medicine and the materialist paradigm. It's far more complex than simple-minded political slogans of whatever type.

             I'd say the root of all the dangerous trends in mankind is the same: believing only the material is real and refusing to see anything higher. Seeing Man as an animal, consciousness as only the material brain, a living baby as only a blob of tissue, living creatures as only aDNA program to be rewritten at will, human society as a machine to be "run" as one dictates---these are all caused by the same paradigm, in whatever country or political party.

             Political discussions I think can generate much heat but little light.

          Dr. Starman
          http://www.DrStarman.net
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