Re: [steiner] Sirius Chronicles
- Dear Jeff,
As a young med student learning psychiatry, the University
required us to live in a state mental institution not only for
access to various psychiatric conditions, often compounded with
physical ailments, but to learn the various forms in which mental
illness manifests. It was a great idea to interact so very closely
with these patients, and to have access to not only the "learned
diagnosis of the day and its treatment," but also to direct
observation, in so far as we were able, of the individuals' inner
experiences as well. It is very difficult to see with another's
eyes, but by listening, observing and interacting with various
patients, some insight was possible. I won't speak of the
scientific literature dealing with mental conditions other than to
say cold materialistic so-called scientific concepts imprinted
onto a patient's profile made no sense to me. Steiner speaks quite
a lot about mental illness, which to me, Mathew directly addresses
not only from an observer's viewpoint, but most importantly, IMO,
from his clear insights into actual situations as seen not only by
the patient most clearly, but also what is overtly seen by an
observer, and an exceedingly astute observer at that. Mathew isn't
writing popular literature or fiction by any means in his
wonderful *Sirius Chronicles* but is addressing very clearly what
exists in actuality, although largely hidden from public or
popular view. Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy and a few others have given the
world some of our clearest insights into this realm manifesting in
the human psyche but from a somewhat differing viewpoint, while
Mathew's writing from his warm observations illustrates the
spirituality coinciding so clearly from what we consider a warped
mental state. Perhaps its my exposure to such patients which gives
me a perhaps unfair advantage in recognition, but I can see a deep
spirituality interpenetrating what on the surface may indeed
appear as fiction.
I was saving all of Mathew's "installments" as they came out, but
lost all to yet another computer failure so was therefore happy to
see a continuation of the *Sirrius Chronicles.* What is said,
Jeff? Something to the effect there is so much in our world which
goes unrecognized or is expressed clearly enough to bring to
others a large part of mankind's inner thoughts with supreme
clarity. Those of us having "hands-on" experience in an attempt to
understand and allievate these other-worldly thought processes
most never see, learn very much from such clear presentations as
Mathew's insight reveals. These are the thoughts behind my
treasuring his writings and compassionate understanding of
humanity as it exists in a different milieu.
> If we open any of these forums to posting popular literature and fiction
> sharing, we are in trouble. There are too many long posts now.
> This is not a creative writing course.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LilOleMiss <mailto:lilolemiss@...>
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [steiner] Sirius Chronicles
> What is your reasoning for such an opinion and what do you feel a
> "right place for such a post" to be? Can you not understand Mr.
> Morrell's spiritual realism? Any answers for us?
> Pacbay wrote:
> > Though interesting, I don't think this is the right place for such a
> > post. Any agreement?
> > Jeff
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mathew Morrell <mailto:tma4cbt@...>
> > To: firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 2:57 PM
> > Subject: [steiner] Sirius Chronicles
> > Ed sat slumped-over in a wheel chair and if not for the
> leather belt
> > strapped around his torso he would have doubled over onto the
> > and not realized it. His body seemed un-occupied, yet was
> > his eyes were closed and his arms dangled over both sides of the
> > wheel chair. Every now and then his plastic, immobile facial
> > features would show vague signs of life: his eyes brows and
> eye lids
> > would shutter; his finger would bend and un-bend; his chin
> > then fall to his chest. Nothing seemed to connect, all he
> saw was a
> > blur, and he would sink back into a mute, catatonic trance
> that is at
> > peace with death and insanity.
> > It wasn't until he returned from Sirius that his
> > consciousness begun to re-coil into the five senses. Little by
> > little forms coalesced into his field of vision. A splotch of
> > brightness formed in front of him; a TV set. The lesser
> > behind the TV, was a barred window. He struggled with his
> eyes but
> > visibility was reduced and voices seemed to arise from a gray
> > unconscious fog that made everything appear hazy around the
> > Barely visible was a man in a Panama hat sitting on a couch and
> > eating an apple. Several patients were watching TV; others drew
> > pictures at an art table in the corner; then there were those
> > incapable of engaging in any activity requiring prolonged
> > concentration; these were the ones who stared as if into
- I don't think that we have clarified exactly what this site should be for. It
has been an open forum for sharing on many themes and levels. I don't
particularly care for the Lutz/Starman debates, but I totally accept that
this is a place for them to discuss their issues. There have been personal
crisis explored and literary sharings. We have alerted each other to
interesting news items. There have been direct studies of Steiner's work.
I vote (it's voting day!) to keep the forum open to whatever people want to
share. If you get a post on a topic that you're not interested in, simply hit
the delete button.
- Sheila,I have absolutely not problem with the chronicles but in this type of exchange it just does not work. From my time perspective (and others have commented as well) I do not have the time to read through three to four pages of material. If someone wishes to create long essays or stories then here is a simple solution used by others: offer a brief mention of the content and then direct us to the archives. This would be a win/ win situation and one does not have to feel like they are skimming or ignoring valuable or interesting long posts. Just my preference. Others may think differently.In time is of essence,Jeff-----
- Pacbay wrote:
> Sheila,Jeff, I understand your position as well as Mathew's and Golden's.
> I have absolutely not problem with the chronicles but in this type of
> exchange it just does not work. From my time perspective (and others
> have commented as well) I do not have the time to read through three
> to four pages of material. If someone wishes to create long essays or
> stories then here is a simple solution used by others: offer a brief
> mention of the content and then direct us to the archives. This would
> be a win/ win situation and one does not have to feel like they
> are skimming or ignoring valuable or interesting long posts. Just my
> preference. Others may think differently.
> In time is of essence,
I'm on all sides since my time is limited, too. I solved this by
having cut back on the number of lists [such as the anthroposophy
list] I belong to by their quality, thereby simplifying my life as
much as possible. I'm also selfish, and am fascinated by the
spirituality of *The Serius Chronicles*. Golden came up with an
excellent idea, and since Dr. Starman owns this list as well as
there being other members, maybe we all should vote? I must vote
as Golden has.
Best to you and your's,
- In a message dated 11/5/2002 1:01:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, pacbay@... writes:
If we open any of these forums to posting popular literature and fiction sharing, we are in trouble. There are too many long posts now.
This is not a creative writing course.
******As the moderator, I don't have any problem with creative writing here. It beats uncreative writing any day.
The spiritual path for modern man is ART.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [steiner] Sirius Chronicles
What is your reasoning for such an opinion and what do you feel a
"right place for such a post" to be? Can you not understand Mr.
Morrell's spiritual realism? Any answers for us?