Re: Unique Place of Christ
- Hi Jeff:
Is it preconceived notion and bias that blinds us?
Interesting. I know that it is possible to be very developed along
one aspect of the spiritual path (devotional path, for example) and
have a major blindspot regarding something that falls outside the
scope of one's training (tolerance for non-believers, for example).
I wonder what PARTICULAR aspect causes the individual to "miss the
boat" or reject the Christ Event. Is it merely the sometimes bad
track record of historical Christianity? Help me out here.
PS I remember a killer quote by RS regarding the knowledge of the
Trinity; does anyone know exactly how it goes?
(Ignorance of the Father is a ... , of the Son an illness and of the
Holy Spirit a tragedy.--) If anyone knows how this goes, my thanks in
--- In steiner@y..., "jla" <pacbay@a...> wrote:
> Might there be something else that may also "blind some" to the
nature of the Christ? There must be some bias carried over into the
spiritual world that prevents even some very advanced souls from
seeing the "fact" of the Christ Being. Great Teachers like Aurobindo,
Meher Baba, the Dali Lama, and others reached very exalted
transcendental states far beyond the astral yet missed the boat
across Jordan, so to speak. And if the Christ is now active as the
Etheric Christ, surely He must be present and noticeable in the lower
realms as well????
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DRStarman2001@a...
> To: steiner@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [steiner] Unique Place of Christ
> evlogite@y... writes:
> > Hi Everyone:
> > Why is it that so many otherwise insightful streams confuse the
role of Christ in the universe? I am currently trying to understand
the blind spot that some, such as Alice Bailey, Besant, et al, have
regarding Christ. Bailey sees Christ as an cosmic position (office)
which a number of beings periodically occupy (if I understand her
writings correctly). Does anyone here have an insight into this? I
would appreciate any help that you can give.
> *******I would say it simply shows how far along the Path a
person has gotten. We meet the Christ Being at a certain point, the
point of legitimate entry into the spiritual world with the ability
to come and go at will from then on. Entry onto the astral plane does
not require this. In the same way as a physical scientist can
recognize whether a man has or has not mastered calculus, or has only
reached a point of beginning to acquire the thinking needed to do so,
a spiritual scientist can recognize whether a person has reached a
particular level or not.
> For example, Dr. Steiner once discussed Mr. Leadbeater's book
with its descriptions of the astral plane and lower Devachan. He
confirmed that the description of the astral plane was real, but said
quite objectively that the alleged description of Devachan there was
merely a re-worked depiction of the astral again (because anyone who
reaches it knows it is "heard", not seen).
> Similarly, look at Swami Yogananda's work. Though educated
entirely in Eastern wisdom, he recognized that the Being he knew
through Initiation was the same described by Western English
Christianity in his country (as did his guru, Sri Yukteswar).
> Just as entering the spiritual world without self-knowledge
does not enable one to orient oneself, and thus it's required to
recognize one's alter ego as the Lesser Guardian first, so the final
entry that enables one to come and go at will from then on requires
one to recognize that Other, the One who became the Mediator. Many
people in the West have become alienated from the Christ through the
perversion of the Christian religion by the opposing Powers, and so
have a great difficulty doing this. It is of critical importance to
be able to do so, however, or else one's occultism will merely
become 'Luciferic' or 'Ahrimanic'. Dr. Steiner came to rescue the
impulse of the White Brotherhood we call Theosophy from this fate, so
that it could be fruitful. One could even perhaps say he came to
rescue Christianity from the same doom.
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- Evlogite,Here is a point of view on this issue of knowing the Christ directly:It is clear from esoteric and spiritual reports that bias in not just within us but externalizes itself in the Astral realms as images, environments, and inclinations. We gravitate to certain regions and in contact with certain beings in the spiritual worlds based on bias or affiliation. If one is a Buddhist then one will gravitate and support Buddhist astral and devachanic imagery and beings; if one is a Jew or Hindu the same holds true;, and so on. Until one rids oneself of all presuppositions and can eliminate bias, one will see only what is within oneself as externalized and supported as a group astral environment. Eventually we are led to other cultures and religions but fundamental bias can carry over from life to life.If one thinks the Christ is just another adept or just a wise rabbi, then that is what will appear as "knowledge" to one in most cases. Often the shock of death or a traumatic spiritual experience will propel one out of bias and one will see things as they are. There are other esoteric explanations involving actual deceptive practices but we will pass on that for now.Until one enters the spiritual worlds completely open, morally strong and with a predominance of objectivity, certain beings and events will be hidden or seen with limitations, it seems, and this would include the Christ.Jeff-----
- Thanks, Dr Starman!
Any ideas about wether/how the Aristotelian / Platonic streams fit
Do you have a view of how the Platonic "return" works out nowadays
and the cooperation Steiner hoped for?
I am ready for a looong answer, if it suits you.
> *******It was indeed in the Karma lectures he gave at the end ofhis life, on
> the karma of those of us who would be attracted to theAnthroposophical
> Sopciety, in fact. But what he said was that there would be threestreams:
> one, a group who were attracted to the cosmology (astrology, etc.)due to a
> strong influence from their incarnations in pre-Christian paganwisdom
> schools; then a second group who had no such, but did have asimple
> heart-understanding of the Christ from their incarnations in theearly
> Christian era; and a third group who would be sort of moving fromone stream
> to the other. One can see this in those who take up the Christianteachings
> but have a hard time with "Ancient Saturn", "Fire Spirits" andwhat not, and
> others who can wax eloquently about occult cosmology but don'trelate to
> "Jesus stuff" too well. For an example of the third, look at JohnGardner,
> who published all the Myrin Institute "Proceedings" but towardsthe end of
> his life joined a born-again Christian group and saw how theirsimple
> heart-relation to Christ had such valid results for them, andwrote a little
> book, "Two Paths To The Spirit: Charismatic Christianity andAnthroposophy."
> Dr. Starman