4829Re: Find (another) Steiner-said?
- Jul 8, 2008To *******, who wrote:
>>Steiner said (in "Ancient Myths", Lecture # 7, 13th Jan., 1918: "about 25-26,000 yrs ago the Lemurian age came to an end... 12 epochs ago, the sun was in the same position" . . . .<<Robert writes:
Yes, here are Steiner's words from that
"Let us turn our attention to the seventh epoch of the Lemurian civilization. It lies approximately 25,900 years before our epoch. It was about 25,000-26,000 years ago that this seventh epoch of the Lemurian age came to an end on earth. However remarkable it may sound, there is a certain resemblance between this seventh Lemurian epoch and our own epoch. Similarities are as we know always to be found between successive periods, similarities of the most diverse kinds. We have found a close similarity between our age and the Egypto-Chaldean. We will now speak of one which is more distant; there is also externally, cosmically, a resemblance. You know that our epoch which begins in about the 15th century of the Christian era is connected with the cosmos through the fact that since that time the sun has its Vernal Point in Pisces, in the constellation of Pisces, the Fishes. The sun had previously been for 2,160 years in the constellation of Aries, the Ram, at
the Vernal Equinox. Here in this seventh Lemurian epoch (left) there were similar conditions. Twelve epochs ago the sun was in the same position. So that towards the end of the Lemurian age there were conditions similar to ours."
Reading this in the natural way, it
does seem that RS is using *years* in
the usual sense, referring back to the
end of the Lemurian age. So apparently,
Davy got it wrong; maybe he meant the
middle of the Lumurian age?
-- A couple of cautionary notes:
The vernal point actually entered the
sidereal constellation of Pisces in 209 AD
(taking the Babylonian arrangement of the
sidereal Zodiac into 12 neat 30-degree
constellations). Since we are now in the
Piscean cultural epoch (the fifth post-
Atlantean), which began in 1413 AD, there is
apparently a 1204-year lag between the entrance
of the vernal point into a sidereal
constellation and the beginning of its
corresponding 2160-year cultural epoch.
And: In the 6th lecture of Steiner's 3rd
scientific course (the so-called "Astronomy
Course") he says:
"The Ancient Indian epoch comes very near to the
time when glacial conditions prevailed in our
regions of the Earth. A culture like the
Ancient Indian could only develop when such
climatic conditions, more or less, as we enjoy
in the Temperate zone today, extended to what
is now the Equator. You can deduce it simply
from the relative advance or retreat of the
ice; tropical conditions did not come about in
India until a must later time, when in more
northerly regions the ice had receded."
So: Here Steiner seems to imply that the last
ice age persisted (at least in Europe) well
into the first post-Atlantean cultural epoch,
because the climate in India then had to be
temperate. That's about 3700 to 5800 years
after 11000 BC. -- A contradiction?
I guess that here, as so often, we have to
allow that Steiner was speaking
extemporaneously, hurriedly, and only
approximately. In this cycle he repeatedly
remarked about how he couldn't go into much
detail and had to leave it to his students to
work out the details. At least, it seems, we
have to allow that the phrase *very nearly* has
to be taken as only a rough approximation.
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