- Oct 22, 2000Well, I learn something every day, as usual. I was not aware of Steiner's call for assistance (reference, please) from the Christ. I always wondered how he and the few others of this orientation could withstand the fearsome and loathsome
encounters that must be dealt with in various stages of Christian/Rosicrucian initiation.
Just reading Dante's Inferno gives inner feeling of it and that was enough during college for my young mind.
I have read Robert at times but not this piece. I will go to it.
Sena Fernando wrote:
I do take your point. Your comment highlights the problems we
encounter when we use material images to represent a spiritual being.
It may be that we need to use more than one image to illustrate the
different aspects of a Being. Is not Christ himself sometimes
represented by a fish?
It seems to me that the image of the whale coming up from the
depths of the sea is a useful one to remind us of the "monsters" in
our unconscious mind. I am sure you are aware that Steiner turned to
Christ when he encountered such horrifying entities in the spiritual
world. It would not be surprising if Lucifer presented himself as a
human of dazzling beauty in order to deceive people.
Have you come across this essay by Robert S. Mason?
Quoting from it, Chapter 7, "Good and Evil": "Michael casts
the Dragon out of heaven; immediately afterwards arise the
two 'beasts' - the first from the sea (Lucifer) and the second from
the land (Ahriman)." This is the imagery ofthe Apocalypse.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, jla <pacbay@h...> wrote:
> Though I can intuitively sense the really of the Ahrimanic image
> (behemoth) and the lamb as Christ, I find it hard to attribute the
> whale to Lucifer. Though it is a deep ocean (Astral) creature,
> is usually depicted as glorified human of dazzling and deceptive
> tempting us to extend up and escape from the earth and return to
> "perfection" even though we are not even near that goal. This sense
> levity and supernatural spirituality runs counter to the whale
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