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Re: [stcarol] No more H2O!!

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  • Cass Strong
    Just wonderful. I hope somebody keeps statistics on how many fighters keel over from dehydration at Pennsic because we re afraid Big Brother is going to get
    Message 1 of 3 , Jun 17, 2008
      Just wonderful.

      I hope somebody keeps statistics on how many fighters keel over from
      dehydration at Pennsic because we're afraid Big Brother is going to
      get us.

      Cass =(

      On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Kendrick <jervamp@...> wrote:
      > New announcement:
      >
      > >From the President, Patrick Anderson:
      >
      > Earlier this year, I was asked by several people in the waterbearing
      > community to examine the various laws of states and countries related
      > to
      > waterbearing as an organized and official activity of the SCA, Inc.
      > Various states have informed officers of the SCA, Inc. that while our
      > activity does not directly violate the food codes or health
      > regulations
      > of their states, if there were to be an outbreak of illness, the SCA,
      > Inc. could be held liable for that outbreak. Several health care
      > professionals and attorneys have reviewed this topic and agree with
      > this
      > assessment.
      >
      > I was asked to examine the best way to both ensure a safe fighting
      > environment for our fighters, and to comply with the various state and
      > country laws. The relevant laws vary from state by state, county by
      > county and country by country. I determined that the best way to do
      > this
      > would be to make "waterbearing" unofficial and unsanctioned by the
      > SCA,
      > Inc. and proposed this change to the Board. The only other option
      > would
      > be to regulate waterbearing, and to regulate it such that it follows
      > the
      > various food safety codes of the various states and countries the SCA
      > participates in. This would be unwieldy, impractical and expensive for
      > the SCA to do. Further, it is likely that waterbearers would not be
      > able
      > to continue to serve our fighters using any of the current methods of
      > waterbearing.
      >
      > The proposal put before the membership for comment would stop
      > waterbearing by any SCA branch or other official group. The SCA would
      > not have an office of waterbearer at any level. Marshals would still
      > be
      > permitted to allow waterbearers on the field, but any waterbearing
      > must
      > not be done by any officially sanctioned or regulated groups of the
      > SCA.
      > Households are welcome to provide water to fighters, as are unofficial
      > and unrecognized "guilds". This does not bar groups from putting out
      > the
      > "serve yourself water coolers" at events. (In my Kingdom they are
      > usually the big orange cylinders.)
      >
      > The Board and Corporate officers understand that many people have
      > spent
      > time waterbearing within the official framework, and now hope that you
      > continue to volunteer unofficially. This proposal has been brought to
      > enable fighters to continue to have a waterbearing service provided to
      > them, without the extremely strict governance that official
      > waterbearing
      > will require.
      >
      > The actual text of the proposed rule is below. This rule has not yet
      > been approved by the Board, and is being sent out for comment here.
      > The
      > Directors request comments from the membership regarding this proposed
      > revision no later than October 1st, 2008. Please send them to:
      > Corpora Revision
      > SCA Inc.
      > Box 360789
      > Milpitas CA, 95036
      > email: comments@...
      >
      > Thank you for commenting.
      >
      > Patrick Anderson
      > President, Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
      >
      > Proposed language to be added to Corpora:
      > The activity of providing beverages to combatants and spectators at
      > SCA
      > Combat activities is not regulated, warranted, organized, controlled,
      > or
      > sanctioned by the SCA, Inc. or any affiliate or subsidiary entity. All
      > warrants, authorizations, or other formal recognition of this activity
      > are by publication of this change revoked. This document does not
      > either
      > address or restrict such volunteer activity or the methods by which it
      > occurs.
      > --
      > Patrick Anderson
      > President
      > Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
      > president@...
      > 952-412-4112
      >
      >
    • C. E. Hughes
      Just water your friends..... and remember, we re all friends.
      Message 2 of 3 , Jun 23, 2008
        Just water your friends..... and remember, we're all friends.



        At 07:48 PM 6/17/2008, Cass Strong wrote:

        >Just wonderful.
        >
        >I hope somebody keeps statistics on how many fighters keel over from
        >dehydration at Pennsic because we're afraid Big Brother is going to
        >get us.
        >
        >Cass =(
        >
        >On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Kendrick
        ><<mailto:jervamp%40yahoo.com>jervamp@...> wrote:
        > > New announcement:
        > >
        > > >From the President, Patrick Anderson:
        > >
        > > Earlier this year, I was asked by several people in the waterbearing
        > > community to examine the various laws of states and countries related
        > > to
        > > waterbearing as an organized and official activity of the SCA, Inc.
        > > Various states have informed officers of the SCA, Inc. that while our
        > > activity does not directly violate the food codes or health
        > > regulations
        > > of their states, if there were to be an outbreak of illness, the SCA,
        > > Inc. could be held liable for that outbreak. Several health care
        > > professionals and attorneys have reviewed this topic and agree with
        > > this
        > > assessment.
        > >
        > > I was asked to examine the best way to both ensure a safe fighting
        > > environment for our fighters, and to comply with the various state and
        > > country laws. The relevant laws vary from state by state, county by
        > > county and country by country. I determined that the best way to do
        > > this
        > > would be to make "waterbearing" unofficial and unsanctioned by the
        > > SCA,
        > > Inc. and proposed this change to the Board. The only other option
        > > would
        > > be to regulate waterbearing, and to regulate it such that it follows
        > > the
        > > various food safety codes of the various states and countries the SCA
        > > participates in. This would be unwieldy, impractical and expensive for
        > > the SCA to do. Further, it is likely that waterbearers would not be
        > > able
        > > to continue to serve our fighters using any of the current methods of
        > > waterbearing.
        > >
        > > The proposal put before the membership for comment would stop
        > > waterbearing by any SCA branch or other official group. The SCA would
        > > not have an office of waterbearer at any level. Marshals would still
        > > be
        > > permitted to allow waterbearers on the field, but any waterbearing
        > > must
        > > not be done by any officially sanctioned or regulated groups of the
        > > SCA.
        > > Households are welcome to provide water to fighters, as are unofficial
        > > and unrecognized "guilds". This does not bar groups from putting out
        > > the
        > > "serve yourself water coolers" at events. (In my Kingdom they are
        > > usually the big orange cylinders.)
        > >
        > > The Board and Corporate officers understand that many people have
        > > spent
        > > time waterbearing within the official framework, and now hope that you
        > > continue to volunteer unofficially. This proposal has been brought to
        > > enable fighters to continue to have a waterbearing service provided to
        > > them, without the extremely strict governance that official
        > > waterbearing
        > > will require.
        > >
        > > The actual text of the proposed rule is below. This rule has not yet
        > > been approved by the Board, and is being sent out for comment here.
        > > The
        > > Directors request comments from the membership regarding this proposed
        > > revision no later than October 1st, 2008. Please send them to:
        > > Corpora Revision
        > > SCA Inc.
        > > Box 360789
        > > Milpitas CA, 95036
        > > email: <mailto:comments%40sca.org>comments@...
        > >
        > > Thank you for commenting.
        > >
        > > Patrick Anderson
        > > President, Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
        > >
        > > Proposed language to be added to Corpora:
        > > The activity of providing beverages to combatants and spectators at
        > > SCA
        > > Combat activities is not regulated, warranted, organized, controlled,
        > > or
        > > sanctioned by the SCA, Inc. or any affiliate or subsidiary entity. All
        > > warrants, authorizations, or other formal recognition of this activity
        > > are by publication of this change revoked. This document does not
        > > either
        > > address or restrict such volunteer activity or the methods by which it
        > > occurs.
        > > --
        > > Patrick Anderson
        > > President
        > > Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
        > > <mailto:president%40sca.org>president@...
        > > 952-412-4112
        > >
        > >
        >
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