Re: [ST1-LCN] Re: "Bottom line DHTS..."
- "Walter S. George" wrote:
>You might have said that in the first place. Still, it was a good
> --- In email@example.com, pkwfireteacher@a... wrote:
> > Would you like to have the status of a Black person in this country?
> > Knock off the rhetoric. You know--if you don't then you are
> > people in this country are not treated the same.
> This discussion is rapidly approaching EET (Expired Equine Threshold)
> and will soon need to be declared rhetorical, academic, moot and overdone.
> Focusing on Star Trek, it can be said that everyone is different ad
> treated differently the same. Treating everyone the same would be a
> violation of the Prime Directive as well as a rejection of the
> diversity of the four quadrants in the Star Trek Milieu.
> It is clear that what a person is matters to a few members of 21st
> century society. These 'few members' are anachronistic throwbacks who
> need to either a. get a life, 2. grow up or thirdly live and let live.
> What is not clear to these 'few members' is that who a person is
> should be the goal of interaction through mutual understanding and
> This is made clear in several Star Trek episodes. The one that comes
> readily to mind is TOS 'Let That Be Your Last Battlefield.' Bele and
> Loki, the last surviving members of Charon society, destroyed each
> other over the issue of which side of their face was not white.
> As Kirk told Mirror-Spock, "If change is -- inevitable -- predictable
> -- beneficial -- doesn't logic demand that you be a part of it? One
> man cannot summon the future. But one man can change the present!" It
> is the nature of the beast that to be true to IDIC, those who are
> maturing socially need to exercise tolerance where the socially
> immature are concerned, for the adults must parent, foster and mentor
> the children. The question is, after honest introspection, where does
> one find oneself in the social growth spectrum... mature or immature?
> The mathematics of the conundrum are that one can change the future
> just by changing oneself where one lives. When many 'ones' are able to
> transition from the socially immature to the socially mature, they
> will outnumber the ones unable to make the transition. One can change
> the future. And in the future, one is unable to regress an entire
> mature society into the malanthropic past.
> If one is not part of the solution then one is part of the problem.
I continually find myself amazed at how you've internalized a lot of the
philosophies of Star Trek. I myself like a lot of the philosophies
but I don't know them backwards and forwards, or live them out in my
everyday life like I'm guessing you must do, to know them so well.
BTW, I remember you listing the 3 most important ones once as
IDIC, and the Prime Directive, but I can't remember what the third one
you mentioned was. :(
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, captjim <captjim@p...> wrote:
>I would have if I were certain one would take the hint without the
> > "Walter S. George" wrote:
> > If one is not part of the solution then one is part of the problem.
> You might have said that in the first place.
> Still, it was a goodStraight from the heart but off the top of my head.
> though. :)
> I continually find myself amazed at how you've internalized a lot of theI've been a Star Trek fan for 37 years. Practice makes perfect but I
> philosophies of Star Trek. I myself like a lot of the philosophies
> but I don't know them backwards and forwards, or live them out in my
> everyday life like I'm guessing you must do, to know them so well.
am far from the latter so I must constantly employ the former. Star
Trek 'saved' me when I was a hair-trigger-tempered social pariah (not
self inflicted from my POV). It was Kirk who inspired me to be in
command of mostly myself. It was Spock who inspired me to maintain
command of my emotions. It was Star Trek that inspired me to live for
the better world coming in the future.
> BTW, I remember you listing the 3 most important ones once as1. IDIC
> IDIC, and the Prime Directive, but I can't remember what the third one
> you mentioned was. :(
Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. Delight in our essential
differences. Live long and prosper.
"Intolerance in the 23rd century? Improbable! If man survives that
long, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential
differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that
differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's
exciting variety, not something to fear. It's a manifestation of the
greatness that God, or whatever it is, gave us. This infinite
variation and delight, this part of the optimism, we built into Star
2. The Prime Directive
As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its
normal cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Starfleet personnel
may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture.
Such interference includes the introduction of superior knowledge,
strength or technology to a world whose society is incapable of
handling such advantages wisely. Starfleet personnel may not violate
this Prime Directive, even to save their lives and/or their ship,
unless they are acting to right an earlier violation or an accidental
contamination of said culture. This directive takes precedence over
any and and all other considerations, and carries with it the highest
3. The TOS/TNG Prologue
Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship
Enterprise. It's five year mission: to explore strange, new worlds; to
seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no one has
And I personally add to those the creed of 'my' own starship Excalibur
first penned by Andre Norton:
Frontiers of any type, physical or mental, are but a challenge to our
breed. Nothing can stop the questing of men -- not even Man. If we
will it, not only the wonders of space but, the very stars are ours!
My two slips of latinum.
Walter S. George
USS Excalibur NCC 2004
"The Stars are Ours!"
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"It is sometimes beneficial to contemplate, in thought, as in a
Picture, the image of a greater and better world; lest the intellect,
habituated to the trivia of daily life, may contract itself too much,
and wholly sink into trifles. But at the same time we must be vigilant
for truth, and maintain proportion, that we may distinguish certain
from uncertain, day from night."
-- T. Burnet, Archaeol. Phil. p. 68 (1692)