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  • Luis Gutierrez
    Hello to all,I would like to ask any of you to comment about an area of Spinoza s main ideas that bothers me.  I am particularly referring  to his main
    Message 1 of 2 , Mar 1, 2015
      Hello to all,
      I would like to ask any of you to comment about an area of Spinoza's main ideas that bothers me.  I am particularly referring  to his main emphasis on Reason and Intuition as the premier ways of understanding God/Nature.
      Reason and Intuition are ways of Thinking. But Spinoza clearly claims that Thinking is one of the Attributes of Substance, Extension /Materiality the other (among an infinitude of attributes). So Reason is extracted, in my view, from Materiality and disembodied, placed above it and declared the only way to know God/Nature. I ask What is reality without a body?.
      Once I read a statement from a book: Why does E=MC2?, in it I found the following "You can invent any object or idea you like, but if there is no way of observing it or its consequences, you haven't made a contribution to the scientific understanding of the universe." Can Reason/Intuition stand alone to comprehend all that there is? It seems to me that Materiality and its manifestations would have as much to say (albeit in a different manner). Spinoza did not seem to like physicalness as much. He did not like the earthy, crawly, down and dirty aspects of Matter, with its closest allies: passions, affects , sensations and the like. He prefers to soar with his Reason/Intuition up into the ethereal  pinnacles of the gods, almost in the manner of the otherwordly Platonic Forms.
      I am afraid that my thinking is rather concrete and limited and lacking a good understanding of the whole of Sipnoza. Any ideas?
      Thanks,
      Luis


    • filip_buyse
      Dear Luis, First, I think you have to make a distinction between Thinking, as an attribute of the unique and eternal substance​ and thinking as an activity
      Message 2 of 2 , Mar 1, 2015
        Dear Luis,

        First, I think you have to make a distinction between Thinking, as an attribute of the unique and eternal substance​ and thinking as an activity of the mind.
        The attribute Thinking is an expression of an essence of God just as Extension is an expression of an essence of God.  So, there is no substance or nature without extension or thinking.  Moreover , Spinoza is no reductionist nor a materialist just as he is no idealist.  The attribute Extension cannot be reduced to the attribute Thinking or vice versa.  The two attributes express the same essence conceived from two different attributes.

        Second, thinking is for Spinoza HAVING ideas. And it is the mind which IS the idea of the body which HAS ideas.  There is no immaterial mind which has ideas because the mind and the body are one and the same thing conceived from two attributes. In other words: they are the same mode of the same unique substance conceived from two different attributes.

        I hope this helps!

        dr. Filip Buyse

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