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  • Rafael Robles
    Yes, I know, not cry, not to get angry, but understand But why the ethics? If we are determined why should we have the ethics??? Rafael ...
    Message 1 of 6 , Mar 27, 2001
      Yes, I know, "not cry, not to get angry, but
      understand" But why the ethics? If we are determined
      why should we have the ethics???

      Rafael


      --- HSigerson@... escribió:
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      In a message dated 3/26/2001 1:25:20 AM Central
      Standard Time, <BR>
      rafarolo@... writes:<BR>
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      > Hello:<BR>
      > If the human is God (everything is God in
      Spinoza), and there is not <BR>
      > free will, what is the sense of the ethics?<BR>
      > <BR>
      > Thanks<BR>
      > Rafael<BR>
      > <BR>
      > <BR>
      > <BR>
      <BR>
      Hello Rafael,<BR>
      <BR>
      I have always taken Spinoza to be in line with ancient
      Stoicism.  Because we <BR>
      are determined we must have the proper attitude and
      understanding when living <BR>
      in the world.  Cf.  the "Hellenistic
      Philosophers" ed.  D.N. Sedley and A.A. <BR>
      Long for texts on Stoicism.  <BR>
      <BR>
      Tony C. Hicks<BR>
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      <BR>
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    • HSigerson@aol.com
      In a message dated 4/11/2001 10:02:48 AM Central Daylight Time, ... Hello Raphael, The best answer I can give you, off the cuff, is that the last three books
      Message 2 of 6 , Apr 11, 2001
        In a message dated 4/11/2001 10:02:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
        rafarolo@... writes:


        > Yes, I know, "not cry, not to get angry, but
        > understand" But why the ethics? If we are determined
        > why should we have the ethics???
        >
        > Rafael
        >
        >
        > --- HSigerson@... escribió:
        > <HR>
        >
        > <tt>
        > In a message dated 3/26/2001 1:25:20 AM Central
        > Standard Time,
        >
        > rafarolo@... writes:
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Hello:
        >
        > If the human is God (everything is God in
        > Spinoza), and there is not
        > free will, what is the sense of the ethics?
        >
        > Thanks
        >
        > Rafael
        >
        >
        >
        > Hello Rafael,
        >
        >
        >
        > I have always taken Spinoza to be in line with ancient
        > Stoicism. Because we are determined we must have the proper attitude and
        > understanding when living in the world. Cf.; the Hellenistic
        > Philosophers; ed. D.N. Sedley and A.A. Long for texts on Stoicism.;
        >
        >
        >
        > Tony C. Hicks
        >
        >

        Hello Raphael,

        The best answer I can give you, off the cuff, is that the last three books
        serve as a kind of therapy and a preparation for understanding. The meaning
        is the method. Did you look at those books I mentioned on Stoicism? They
        should help you understand what Benedict is on about.

        TCH


        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      • charles saunders
        ... between predetermination and the concept of no free will .The Predeterminism in Spinoza operates at a macro level and refers to the modifications of
        Message 3 of 6 , Apr 18, 2001
          --- HSigerson@... wrote:

          > In a message dated 4/11/2001 10:02:48 AM Central

          > Daylight Time,

          > rafarolo@... writes:

          >

          >

          > > Yes, I know, "not cry, not to get angry, but

          > > understand" But why the ethics? If we are

          > determined

          > > why should we have the ethics???

          > >

          > > Rafael

          > >

          > >

          > > --- HSigerson@... escribi�:

          > > <HR>

          > >

          > > <tt>

          > > In a message dated 3/26/2001 1:25:20 AM Central

          > > Standard Time,

          > >

          > > rafarolo@... writes:

          > >

          > >

          > >

          > >

          > >

          > > Hello:

          > >

          > > If the human is God (everything is God in

          > > Spinoza), and there is not

          > > free will, what is the sense of the ethics?

          > >

          > > Thanks

          > >

          > > Rafael

          > >

          > >

          > >

          > > Hello Rafael,

          > >

          > >

          > >

          > > I have always taken Spinoza to be in line with

          > ancient

          > > Stoicism. Because we are determined we must have

          > the proper attitude and

          > > understanding when living in the world. Cf.; the

          > Hellenistic

          > > Philosophers; ed. D.N. Sedley and A.A. Long for

          > texts on Stoicism.;

          > >

          > >

          > >

          > > Tony C. Hicks

          > >

          > >

          >

          > Hello Raphael,

          >

          > The best answer I can give you, off the cuff, is

          > that the last three books

          > serve as a kind of therapy and a preparation for

          > understanding. The meaning

          > is the method. Did you look at those books I

          > mentioned on Stoicism? They

          > should help you understand what Benedict is on

          > about.

          >

          > TCH

          >

          >

          > [Non-text portions of this message have been

          > removed]

          >

          > hello Raphael,There is a tremendous difference
          between "predetermination" and the concept of "no
          free will".The Predeterminism in Spinoza operates at a
          macro level and refers to the modifications of
          substance at what we would term the scientific
          level.It is true that everthing that occurs in a human
          life stems from the order and necessity of that
          individual's nature.But this in no way includes the
          notion of predetermination.Regards,Charles M. Saunders



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