- Like Macky, I do not think this a problem.

The only difference is that instead of using the minor case, a w is added

after the letter.

This doesn't look like too hard to learn.

I would be more concerned if French cubers started to use the French

notation !

H = Up

D = Right

G = Left

B = Down

P = Back

(I don't remember) = Front

That, in my opinion, would be a big problem.

The 'Asian notation' (if we can call it like that) is fully understandable.

There is no need to impose one of these 2 notations.

Gilles

2007/2/1, mackymakisumi <mackymakisumi@...>:>

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> Hi Per,

>

> > But at least we have a "common" notation. The W postfix is certainly

> > not part of that IMHO. I'm sure 95% of the cubers here use lowercase

> > letters for wide turns/double-turns.

>

> I'm sure you realize that "here" isn't too good of a representation of

> the cubing community. The w notation originated in the Japanese

> speedcubing community, where it was already in use when I joined the

> forum in early 2003. Because of the language barrier, most Japanese

> cubers avoid this English forum. Moreover, perhaps because of the

> recent interactions between the Korean and Japanese communities,

> Korean cubers also use the w notation. Of course, many non-Asian

> cubers who visit Japanese and Korean sites also understand the notation.

>

> Based on http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/statistics.php,

> the top 5 countries with the most competitors are

>

> USA 501

> Japan 220

> Korea 99

> Poland 79

> France 73

>

> As you can see, w notation isn't as uncommon as you believe, and I'm

> sure more cubers will become familiar with it as they visit Yu

> Jeong-Min's blog.

>

> > > > Please all who have sites using that notation change to official

> > > > notation!!

>

> After seeing these statistics, I'm certain that you won't be so

> unreasonable as to still ask the entire Asian cubing community to

> switch to an "official" notation. Further, I don't see any reason why

> I should change the notation on my website. I already explain at the

> top of my page of notations that "The notation used on this site is

> the most commonly used notation (RLUDFBxyzEMS) with suffix "w" for

> double layer turns adopted from JSCC [Japan Speed Cubing Club]

> notation." That said, I'd be happy to include a link to the notation

> on speedcubing.com as well as explicitly mention that cubers outside

> the Japanese and Korean communities may not understand the w notation.

>

> Of course, I do see the advantage of having an official notation for

> WCA. If we take a majority vote now as you suggest, even including all

> the Asian cubers, the lowercase notation will win without a doubt. My

> concern for pushing such a plan is its possible damaging effect on the

> relationship between WCA and the Asian communities. After all, WCA is

> World Cube Association, and I believe that it should maintain a good

> relationship with cubers anywhere in the world. A compromise, such as

> the recognition of other well-established notations, would be a much

> better plan.

>

> I apologize if this reply sounded somewhat harsh. The only reason for

> this is that I don't appreciate your tone thus far in this discussion.

>

> > So Macky, if you read this, set a

> > consensus for other cubers and update your site with the most commonly

> > used notation so as to not cause confusion.

>

> Next time, please take the time to do your research before using an

> unsoftened imperative.

>

> macky

>

>

> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>,

> "Per Kristen Fredlund"

> <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi David :-)

> >

> > Well it can be debated whether we have an "official" notation or not.

> > But at least we have a "common" notation. The W postfix is certainly

> > not part of that IMHO. I'm sure 95% of the cubers here use lowercase

> > letters for wide turns/double-turns. So Macky, if you read this, set a

> > consensus for other cubers and update your site with the most commonly

> > used notation so as to not cause confusion. And i recommend (mild

> > command) Ron to add these double turns to the notation page on his

> > site also. Maybe (defninitely!) it's a job for WCA to set official

> > rules for 3x3x3 notation!? Even we have disagreements here, it should

> > be fairly easy to let the "majority" decide this and come up with a

> > proper OFFICIAL notation. As for larger cubes the WCA may also decide

> > on official notation for these, at least for 4x4x4 and 5x5x5, but it's

> > less urgent in my opinion. A notation for larger cubes should also

> > take into account even larger cubes (olympicubes) and since these are

> > not publicly out yet we can wait.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > -Per

> >

> > PS! Personally i do not like xyz (cube rotations) notation but we may

> > as well include them in an OFFICIAL notation ;-) And they're already

> > on the beforementioned scc's notation page :D

> > (scc=www.speedcubing.com)

> >

> > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>,

> "d_j_salvia"

> > <d_j_salvia@> wrote:

> > >

> > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>,

> "Per Kristen Fredlund"

> > > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hmm ....

> > > >

> > > > Please all who have sites using that notation change to official

> > > > notation!! For RW etc use the corresponding r, etc (official

> > > > fingertrick notation). Lower case letters of course have different

> > > > meaning on larger cubes, but for 3x3x3 they mean "wide turns".

> > > >

> > > > Thanx in advance :D

> > > >

> > > > -Per

>

>

>

- --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007

<no_reply@...> wrote:>

I'm well aware that I'm about 25 years to late to actually "invent"

>

> Gotcha there...

anything =)

But I like to spread good idéas.

// Kenneth

BTW: forgot to write about one of my tricks for CLL + edges

orientation. If your CLL ends in R' F R F' (or similair) then do L' U R

U' M' instead and you do not orient any edges in the end of the alg.

Example: CLL = R U2 R' U2 R' F R F' COLL = R U2 R' U2 L' U R U' M'