## [Speed cubing group] Re: Multisolves

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• P.S. Since the 6x6x6 has been discussed recently, I thought it would also be worth noting that while the 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 have just two multisolves each, the
Message 1 of 4 , Jun 1, 2005
P.S. Since the 6x6x6 has been discussed recently, I
thought it would also be worth noting that while the
4x4x4 and 5x5x5 have just two multisolves each, the
6x6x6 would have 18 possible multisolves. Now I REALLY
can't wait to get one!

--- keggerius <keggerius@...> wrote:

> Hey everybody! For a while now I've been working on
> improving my methods for solving the 4x4x4 and 5x5x5
> two different ways, or what I like to call a
> "multisolve".
>
> For those who aren't familiar with this, I'll
> explain:
> the 4x4x4 can be scrambled as a 2x2x2 or a 3x3x3,
> and
> the 5x5x5 can be scrambled as a 3x3x3 in two
> different
> ways. By scrambling the puzzle first one way and
> then
> the other, and then solving in reverse order, the
> puzzle becomes a "custom" 2x2x2 or 3x3x3 that has
> different "pieces" every time. Especially
> challenging
> are the two cases that require orienting the centers
> in the first stage of the solve. I will refer to
> these
> as the "hard" cases, and the other two as the "easy"
> cases.
>
> I find multisolves to be very fun, and also quite
> addictive to try to improve on, because of the
> greater
> challenges they provide in piece recognition.
> Because
> speedcubing.com has records from only 3 or 4 other
> people in these categories, I must assume that few
> people have ever tried multisolves, probably because
> they never even considered them. It would be great
> to
> get some more people interested, and compare times
> and
> methods.
>
> Anyway, here are my best times for all four types:
>
> 4x4x4 easy case
> (scramble as 3x3x3, then as 2x2x2)
> 1:15.84
>
> 4x4x4 hard case
> (scramble as 2x2x2, then as 3x3x3)
> 2:24.77
>
> 5x5x5 easy case
> (scramble using only outer layers, then both layers)
> 1:45.95
>
> 5x5x5 hard case
> (scramble using both layers, then only outer layers)
> 2:45.06
>
> Except for the 4x4x4 easy case, these times are by
> far
> the fastest I know of. While that's great, it simply
> doesn't seem right when you consider that
> multisolves
> are basically 2x2x2 and 3x3x3 solves, and there are
> dozens of active members in this group alone who can
> beat me in those categories by a wide margin. So, in
> order to rectify this: I DARE anyone to beat my
> times!
> That should do it. Now to sit back and await my
> comeuppance, which will no doubt be arriving
> shortly.
>
> -Ben B.
>
>
>
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• ... .. wrote: I just gave it a try and it s indeed fun. I used two scrambles from the Sunday contest for each case and I write them in the order I did them
Message 2 of 4 , Jun 1, 2005
--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, keggerius <keggerius@y.
..> wrote:

I just gave it a try and it's indeed fun. I used two scrambles from
the Sunday contest for each case and I write them in the order I did
them (and the my number of attempts).

> 5x5x5 easy case
> (scramble using only outer layers, then both layers)
> 1:45.95

2:11.55 (2)

> 4x4x4 easy case
> (scramble as 3x3x3, then as 2x2x2)
> 1:15.84

1:05.49 (1)

> 4x4x4 hard case
> (scramble as 2x2x2, then as 3x3x3)
> 2:24.77

8:22.43 (1)
The first 1.5 minutes or so I had no idea what to do ;-)

> 5x5x5 hard case
> (scramble using both layers, then only outer layers)
> 2:45.06

7:26.68 (1)
This is truly fun :-) Once you get to the second phase it's such a
relief...

I know I've seen them on SCC but I can't find them anymore. Where are
they?

Cheers!
Stefan
• Damn... tried another hard multi-5x5 and was much faster but screwed up permuting the LL edges of the first phase... Btw, I just remembered Grant was clever
Message 3 of 4 , Jun 1, 2005
Damn... tried another hard multi-5x5 and was much faster but screwed
up permuting the LL edges of the first phase...

Btw, I just remembered Grant was clever enough to exploit this a while
ago in the 100th edition of the weekly online Japanese Speedcubing
Contest:
http://ksuehiro.hp.infoseek.co.jp/100kaikenenb.htm
(look at his great times for 4x4)

Cheers!
Stefan
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