Re: Very interesting site
>I was fairly annoyed to see this kind of vulgar display in order to"prove" magickal workings.<
>This person is very confused in deed to think that working againstthe stated order of powers concerning goetic entities as well as laws
of correspondences, would actually favorably result in the destruction
of a life for selfish vain reasons. Perhaps a more likely and
measurable outcome would be achieved without the aid of a spirit but
with a weapon of his own.<
Tell that to any number of the 50+ million adherents to the African
Traditional Religions who invoke any of the Orisha/LWA to punish if
not kill someone they have issues with.
Personally, I do not buy into the notion that we have 'power over'
these NPE's anymore than any of us have power over our elected
leaders. You summon, you ask, and you wait. IF the result does not
occur, then so be it. As the country singer says, "Thank God for
>This guy is another who by their own stupidity, brings confusion anddisdain to all the truely measurable magickal workings so sensitively
worked and achieved by many.<
Every path in life has its own Lunatic Fringe. Judaism has it; Islam
has it; Wicca has it; Xianity has it; Thelema has it; ATR's have it;
just live with it. This guy does not represent any of us who practice
anymore than Konstantinos or Lisiewski does.
It's only his opinion. Period.
Believe me, I got a little ticked off when that shitty Sheeple
publisher put out that McWiccan book and labeled it 'Sorcery' a few
years ago. Ugh. BUT...what can you do? Nada. You just let folks know
your opinion about his work when asked and leave it at that. *shrugs*
- Thanks for the insights Moloch,
Yeah I get a bit miffed at the NEED for some to do any huge spectacle in order to gain some esteem or worth from a community or society at large...I know I know, many others do this same thing for a millon different reasons. That doesn't mean I think it has any real validity to the nature of Magickal arts.
I have witnessed and engaged in juju workings in West Africa first hand. I knew and worked with both your garden variety healer for the village as well as ones that work with "servant" entities. There were known cults that performed rites involving human sacrifice and limbing. And let me tell you, they pay a huge price for what they do. It is not a mere matter of ask and recieve if the spirit wishes. In some cases it is a severe unleashing of raw spirit act that results in sometimes devestating consequenses for the practitioner or immediate family. In some cases for the entire community. I've often theorized that it may link to the levels of poverty and dispar so rampant among practitioners of these arts which there are LOTS of.
Perhaps ... but not to blanket a group by the workings of the individual. I did witness much in the line of very provable, very real magick that served to heal and better others. It is a shame to for me anyway to think that the way in which one NEEDS to prove the reality of magick is to kill someone else. I think that is a fairly easy and needlessly vulgar thing to chalk magick up to. There is (as you well know of course) much more to the workings than a spectacle of (what would be explained away as happenstance) such limited and narrow sight. This black and white approach to "proving" is already by itself a limited perspective in the larger sense of such sensitive operations. (I am probably preaching to the choir).
Anyway, again, I think that (with a shrug :-) it was a stupid thing to do. You are right: it doesn't represent what the rest of us do.
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>That doesn't mean I think it has any real validity to the nature ofMagickal arts.<
Now you're moving from discussing Magic to discussing Philosoophy and
while the two are not mutually exclusive, the fact is that one is a
practice while the other is about opinon.
>And let me tell you, they pay a huge price for what they do.<That does not surprise me.
>It is not a mere matter of ask and recieve if the spirit wishes. Insome cases it is a severe unleashing of raw spirit act that results in
sometimes devestating consequenses for the practitioner or immediate
Well there are spirits and there are SPIRITS. Just like there people
who have culture & refinement who can get a problem solved and then
there are hotheads who grab their loaded guns who shoot first and ask
questions later. What the Human world can be is mirrored in the world
of Spirits as well.
>It is a shame to for me anyway to think that the way in which oneNEEDS to prove the reality of magick is to kill someone else.<
Dr. Larry Dossey discusses this in his book, "Be Careful What You Pray
For (Becuase You Just May Get It!)" but it is the nature of
intellectuals to challenge assertions that are unprovable under normal
I was once challenged by a 'skeptic' (actually a common variety
debunker) who I told to let me cut a lock of his hair off and I'd
summon a few things to 'pay him a visit'. The little loud mouth hemmed
and hawed and blustered bit je refused to give me his hair. Such are
the ways of a coward.
>There is (as you well know of course) much more to the workings thana spectacle of (what would be explained away as happenstance) such
limited and narrow sight.<
Agreed and this is how I explain it to such cowards like the loud
mouth debunker: 'Magic, like electricity, takes the path of least
resistance' and often its consequences appear as everyday, nomral
happenstances. :) Thus the whole 'subtle' approach. (Screw Harry
Potter's world where it's flashy; give me subtle anyday!)
>(I am probably preaching to the choir).<Indeed to the whole Mormon Tabernacle Choire to be exact. ;)
>Anyway, again, I think that (with a shrug :-) it was a stupid thingto do. You are right: it doesn't represent what the rest of us do.<
Your opinion is noted and agreed with and I reiterate, that buffoon
does not represent you, me or anyone else who is a bonafide
practitioner. He's just some schmuck with a PC on a blog spot. I know
because I'm one and have one of my own! LoL ;)
>Best to you and Happy New Year Travis<Same to you Travis. Light 'em up for '09! Let's open up a can of whoop
ass and get the party started! (After all, we only 3 more years before
the end of world as we know it, right? LOLOLOLOL)