Re: Where do demons come from/go to?
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Jake Stratton-Kent"
>So Hello Everyone,
My thoughts on where spirits come from are derived from the macro/
microcosm paradigm. I feel (and this is just conjecture, I should ask
before I make any assertions) that spirits, while being a part of the
universe, are present both within and without us. Wheen we choose to
activate those currents in our sphere of influence, then we are
opening a door to allow interaction with beings from another level of
reality. This is why altered states are so important to achieving
contact with said entities.
They exist on another plane, side by side with/in us. It isonly
when, for whatever reason, voluntarily, or involuntarily, we become
perceptive to those currents, planes, forces, whatever. In summary,
spirits came from God originally, and they have made them selves busy
accomplishing their required tasks, not bothering us, until something
draws our paths together. I oftenwonder what kind of bribe one might
need to offer Kampe and Echidna to open wide the gates of tartarus,
so that I might have conversation with the Titans.
Has anyone ever thought about the connection between the titans and
the Kings of Edom as presented in the Golden Dawn myths (I mean no
disrespect with the word "myths", however I have noticed some rather
tenuous conclusions drawn by the architects of the knowlege lectures
in Regardie's book). It seems like they might fall into the same
Should anyone have any suggestions about the composition of my post
so far as too long or too many topics in one message feel free to let
me know because my netiquette has too much dust on it.
> > Tartarus! :)or
> LOL only if they're on the staff, for 'guests' Tartarus is like the
> Hotel California, 'you can never leave', so there's no coming from
> going back. ;-)included -
> As most 'Western' demons - those of the Goetia of Solomon
> are Elementals, their habitats are the Elemental Kingdoms.Trouble isand
> that traditions differ as to where these are situated. In Agrippa
> later all the elementals are sublunary, whereas in the older models,Fixed
> which are my preference, the fiery region includes the heaven of
> Stars, where the highest daimones live. In the older models againthe
> 'evil' demons are lower than elementals, but there is very littlefocus
> reason to equate these with most of the spirits of the grimoires.
> In a less anthropomorphic sense, the elements are everywhere, and
> conjuring the energies behind the demons simply brings them into
> at the location of the rite..
- 2008/5/18 Jake Stratton-Kent <jakestrattonkent@...>:
> 2008/5/12 enigmius93 <enigmius93@...>:a good place to start examining the linkage of Solomonic and fairy
>> > ah, fairy lore on Solomonic, about time! ;-)
>> They have been there the whole time.
> Certainly they've been in the Solomonic mix the whole time,
> particularly in some of the lesser known English grimoires (some
> examples in Scot, depending which text you can get hold of). They're
> also 'here' the whole time, except when hanging out in ancient
> earthworks. My descent into a 'fairy mound' in Southern Ireland was a
> memorable if minor magical adventure.
lore in English grimoires is in section 8 of the Scot materials at
Joe's site, here's a link to the page: