Re: Solomonic magic and non-Goetic demons?
- There are demons from all over the world you know. They don't all come
from sumeria. I'm pretty sure there are many native to Mexico (where I
live off and on), but that sure doesn't mean I'm going to try to evoke
one using the goetia ritual. Seems pretty silly to try some jewish
ritual when it most likely wouldn't work in the first place, or even
worse it WOULD work but I would have no means of controlling it seeing
as how mexican demons would probably require native customs and
rituals that most people don't even know about.
Have you ever read about people using the GD rituals to try and banish
sumerian demons or other entities from the Simon Nec? They don't work,
so I think of this in the same way. It'd be unsafe.
--- In email@example.com, bearmagick <bearmagick@...> wrote:
> But isn't it true that many if not most of the "demons" are actually
deities/spirits from sumerian/babalonian religions?
- 2008/5/9 steve <estevan255@...>:
> There are demons from all over the world you know. They don't all comegood point,
> from sumeria. I'm pretty sure there are many native to Mexico (where I
> live off and on), but that sure doesn't mean I'm going to try to evoke
> one using the goetia ritual.
Seems pretty silly to try some jewish
> ritualjust for the record it's seventeenth century English, just borrows
some Jewish elements.
when it most likely wouldn't work in the first place, or even
> worse it WOULD work but I would have no means of controlling itsee below
> as how mexican demons would probably require native customs andagreed, generally speaking its a good idea to please spirits with some
> rituals that most people don't even know about.
give and take rather than piss them off by showing them what an
insensitive ass and cultural supremacist you are. Working with spirits
from other cultures requires some deft preparation and research - as
well as ability.
> Have you ever read about people using the GD rituals to try and banishso folks say, but then its wise not to believe a lot of stuff that
> sumerian demons or other entities from the Simon Nec? They don't work,
> so I think of this in the same way. It'd be unsafe.
does the rounds in modern Western occultism - westerners haven't had a
living tradition of magic for centuries (aside from bogus hereditary
witches), so we make up for it by repeating stuff without checking it
(like how Enochian is the most powerful system of magic on the planet,
and the Angelic language has a grammar and syntax of its own - easy to
cut and paste that stuff, but is it true?) - I don't use the pentagram
rituals nowadays, but never found anything that didn't respond to it
back in the day.
- I don't see any reason why you couldn't, but it would require more
sensitivity, awareness, and experience to pull it off well.
Essentially, a Solomonic practitioner who knows what he or she is
doing establishes ritual space, casts a circle, and assumes the
identity and power of the Creator God of the Cosmos - the
Craftsman/Demiurgos, Yahwah Elohim Tzavaot' IAO. If you have earned
the right to stand in that place of power and wield God's authority
without impunity, then you have nothing to worry about. If not, you
will be tried and tested to determine your worthiness. And of course,
the Godform grants only the authority - the wisdom to properly relate
to the spirits is another thing entirely, and that must come through
experience, inspiration, intutition, and ultimately Holy Gnosis.
Consider it this way: why should the entity in question carry out the
task as you ask? Is there something in it for them? Do you carry a
commision that they can honor (or at least respect)? Do you have the
authority to command them (and if so, on what basis does that
authority reside)? You are in a diplomatic position, and even after
you become a real magus and abide in Divine Wisdom, you must still
continue to show humility along with the confidence and assurance
that such a position demands.