Re: Evocation to Visible Appearance
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, al-khemia@e... wrote:
> Fair enough. But, Lisiewski and his "slingshot effect" (which heThat is the phrase that popped into my mind. Lisiewski talks a lot
> asserts is a *fact* - in his words, "it *always* occurs" and in
> exactly the same order) seems paranoid; relationship woes, financial
> fluctuations, etc. - all of these are the results of his evocations?
> What about them just being "self-fulfilled prophecy"?
about constructing a sub-conscious "belief" system that supports the
magick itself. That happens to be true, and even Agrippa talks about
it. (Of the helps of religion and superstition, etc.) Then, he goes
on to insist that we build a self-fullfilling "slingshot effect" into
our belief systems. Frankly, I think it merely reflects his own
belief system, and not a magickal law.
> maybe Aaron has tried Lisiewski's method?)Quite honestly, there are not worlds of differences between
Lisiewski's methods and my own. I'm not personally much into goetic
summoning- as I tend to focus on Angelic summoning. Plus, I don't
think one *has* to memorize the conjurations. Yet, the general
practical methods he uses are pretty standard for Solomonic work. I
think I put a LOT more effort into ritual preparations beforehand,
but I agree with Lisiewski about following the directions given in
the grimoires as closely as possible.
It is Lisiewski's theory (mainly chapters one to three) I have an
issue with. The practical portion of his book (chapter four onward)
would be fine if he would stop insisting that the walls are going to
crack and the demons are going to scream and howl and claw their way
around the Circle. (Unless, of course, one happens to be a skryer
and sees such things in vision. Non-skryers in the room are unlikely
to witness the same events.)
Of course, Lisiewski could assure us that I'm a fraud. I've never
dedicated a practice to the Heptameron specifically, so according to
him my experience compares in no way to his own.
However, as I said last time- anyone is free to experiment. They can
put Lisiewski's instructions to use point for point, and see if they
get a tangible lizard or spider-insect. After all, anything is
possible in the Universe... ;)
- Hi Chela,
> Not if you were to visit the Caribbean; especiallyGirls.. ;P~ Hey, the Carribean. I don't travel much as
> around Carnival!!! :) Outside of corporate slavery
> and spiritual/magical work, I'm also a fete
> organizer. See below ~
things currently stand. Sometimes I walk in the woods,
but that's about it. It's nice to meet people online.
Though I've met people from Thailand, Kenya, and
Malaysia, more personal connections are kind of
limited to those who speak English. (mainly from
Canada, America, England, Australia - as I'm sure you
know.) There is a language I'm learning called
Esperanto that is meant as a common language; but I'm
slow when it comes to languages.
"Poppycock" btw was a reference to something said here
a little while ago. I regret over-reacting to it, so
the word has found it's way into my vocabulary. Don't
think I can ever take it seriously though.. :)
> Ps Not sure if Aaron would approve anotherThink of it this way - friendly chatter between
> half-poppycocked message. :)
magical types will keep coming back to magic, right?
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