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  • Rob
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      --- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "John" <johnbarlowiii@...> wrote:
      >
      > Oh, I forgot to add. Some of your local Black magick shops carry vellum made from lambs skin, 20 yrs ago it was $10 a sheet, now this is not normal lamb skin its from aborted kids,now don't judge its using the waist product from one industry and uses it in another so nothing goes to waste. But, My source in DFW died, (no wander she was trying to sale me her store for so cheep)
      >
      > --- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "AaronL" <kheph777@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Yes "virgin parchment" can indicate parchment that has not been used previously. However, some of the grimoires also require it to be made from an animal within the first year of its life. (I.e - one that has not mated yet.)
      > >
      > > LVX
      > > Aaron
      > >
      > > --- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, Hyndla Kensdottir <hyndla53704@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Could virgin parchment refer to a piece that has not been written upon previously and then scraped clean?
      > > > Hyndla
      > > >
      > > > From: Bryan Garner <bryanashen@>
      > > > To: "solomonic@yahoogroups.com" <solomonic@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > Cc: "solomonic@yahoogroups.com" <solomonic@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:57 AM
      > > > Subject: [Solomonic] Hexagonal Figure os Solomon
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >  
      > > >
      > > > Goetia thought for the day:
      > > >
      > > > The Hexagram of Solomon or
      > > > Solomons hexagonal ffigure
      > > >
      > > > I thought I'd share this with the group (first) since I have not posted anything for a while. Most of my musings or discoveries through experiences/ experiments have gone to a select group on Facebook or my online blog at: http://bryanashen.blogspot.com/
      > > >
      > > > Part of my interest and practice has been in the creation of grimoric equipment. I strive to emulate each item to the dictates of the text as close as I am able.
      > > >
      > > > It has been my experience that the ‘Hexagram of Solomon’ or holy seal has mostly been created on pieces of hide or leather. (Weather calf’s hide from the Goetia or kid’s skin from the Heptameron) Most magicians I’ve talked to or read about, have created their seal on these types of material. I did it this way myself at first. However, this is not the type of material the medieval grimories are actually describing.
      > > >
      > > > From the Key of Solomon we have some mention on proper ‘parchment’ used for various magical equipment, and the process of making it. These types of seals are often used for in evocation of spirits to protect the magician and as a badge of authority (to compel the spirits into cooperation and to assume pleasant visible
      > > > form).
      > > > There are detailed instructions for the creation of this parchment in the KoS as well as a few other select grimoires. Mg. Aaron Leitch goes into plentiful explanation and notation concerning these sections in his ‘Secrets of the Grimoires’ as I recall. As very few of us have direct experience and opportunity (not to mention a taste) for skinning animals, etc. parchment of this sort can be impractical to create. None the less, virgin parchment of THIS caliber is possible to obtain for a reasonable fee.
      > > >
      > > > First, let’s take a look at the description given in the Lemegeton’s Goetia (as given on Joseph Peterson’s Esoteric Archives):
      > > > “This figure is to be made on parchment made of a calfes Skin and worne at the Skirtt of ye white vestment, and covered wth a lennen [linen] cloath to ye which is to be shewed to the spirits when they are appeared that they may be compelled to be obedient and take a humane shape &c."
      > > >
      > > > Wikipedia says this about Calfskin parchment:
      > > > “Calfskin is a leather or membrane produced from the hide of a calf. Calfskin is particularly valuable because of its softness, and non fine grain. It is commonly used for high-quality shoes, wallets and similar products, as well as traditional leather bookbindings. Fine calfskin is one of the skins used for vellum and parchment manuscripts.”
      > > >
      > > > You may recall that VELLUM is the parchment required for the book of Spirits as describe in the Trithemius operation of ‘Drawing Spirits into Crystals’ in The MAGUS. I found a great website which seems to create high quality calfskin parchment. If you are interested in creating a seal using this traditional material, you can find them at: http://www.pergamena.net/products/parchment/. On their website they describe calfskin parchment as thus:
      > > > “Calfskins are thin but tough and flexible, hence they are the traditional choice for binding and manuscripts. Calfskins sometimes exhibit surface veining and often lack a discernable grain. This latter quality, along with a dense skin fiber weave, is ideal for text or calligraphy, as there is less visual competition from the parchment surface.”
      > > >
      > > > About.com says:
      > > >
      > > > “Parchment is a paper-like material made from sheep or goat skin. Very fine parchment is called Vellum and is made from calf skin. Parchment is not paper, as technically, paper is made from cellulose pulp.
      > > > The reverse side of parchment paper has a pitted texture from the hair follicles in the skin, but the drawing surface, on the carefully prepared underside of the skin, is extremely smooth. The flawless surface of parchment allows a very fine line, making it ideal for drawing and calligraphy.”
      > > >
      > > > When studying the process of how parchment is made, even without the added complexities as the Key of Solomon describes, you can see an undergoing alchemical transformation. Although this type of parchment was more common during the times the versions of the grimories were recorded, the value placed on ‘virgin parchment’ is obviously apparent. From the young virgin animal, the skin becomes parchment only after a process of intense treatment and refinement. We can see shedding of the unneeded and “base” material in favor of the purified core or essence. We need not look much deeper to recognize the components of the Salt, Sulfur and Mercury.
      > > >
      > > > -Bryan
      > > >
      > > > On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:07 PM, John Barlow <johnbarlowiii@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > > mine at the time. mine was drawn on paper in gold leaf and wraped around my finger like a ring
      > > > >
      > > > > 93 93/93
      > > > > Agapejohn
      > > > >
      > > > > --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Bryan Garner <bryanashen@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > From: Bryan Garner <bryanashen@>
      > > > > Subject: Re: [Solomonic] What Would the Ring of Solomon Look Like?
      > > > > To: "solomonic@yahoogroups.com" <solomonic@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 3:55 PM
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > I've been working at grimoric Goetia for over a decade now and have made the various versions of the ring or disk. In all honesty I believe either, (band or round disk) would be acceptable and effective in use against 'noxious breath' or any other effects the demons presence may cause. Although I would recommend either silver or gold for the metal as these are the only two listed in the GoS.( I've read the section on Skinner and Rankine's part about the iron or brass and iron ring and agree with the correspondences but not in the experimental substitution thereof. Errors have been made by the assuming magician trying to fit this system in with standard correspondences or Kabbalistic frameworks. I think the 'disk' or shield image of the ring was mistaken from viewing a 2D diagram of the inside and outside of the ring which is difficult if not impossible to draw clearly.
      > > > >
      > > > > One of the diagrams was already listed at: http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/lemegeton.htm
      > > > > The other is from the main text in Peterson's Goetia section, also the one on esoteric archives. These two versions seem earlier and in my opinion, more correct. However, as I mentioned, both could work as they each contain the names which are listed in the text. (unless more protection is allotted by the engraved Greek IHVH touching your skin)
      > > > > I don't think this is an issue though.
      > > > >
      > > > > Solomon's magic ring is a topic of debate
      > > > > With baring descriptions. One source claims
      > > > > that it has a star shaped stone on it which was given by an archangel. Another says it was 4 stones by four great archangel. Variation and construction could have quite a few elements unless you are simply satisfied working from the text.
      > > > >
      > > > > -Bryan
      > > > >
      > > > > On Jun 21, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Enoch Bowen <enochbowen@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > > Thank you Brian. Although a simple band would seem the most likely conclusion, it's not what I've seen others making or recommending. It is what I will probably make, though. You mention two older versions of the Goetia. Are those available online?
      > > > > >
      > > > > > ________________________________
      > > > > > From: Bryan Garner <bryanashen@>
      > > > > > To: "solomonic@yahoogroups.com" <solomonic@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:59 AM
      > > > > > Subject: Re: [Solomonic] What Would the Ring of Solomon Look Like?
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > The ring of Solomon is not as complicated as it first appears. In two older versions the diagrams clearly show a band with "Tetragrammaton" engraved on the inside and "Michael" "Anaphexeton" on the outside. The diagram with the 'X' is a correction from the artist who accidentally misspelled the name with an N instead of an X. Silver seems the most accepted metal to use.
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      > > > > > Bryan
      > > > > >
      > > > > > On Jun 20, 2011, at 3:04 AM, "enochbowen@" <enochbowen@> wrote:
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      > > > > > > I have some questions about the Ring of Solomon as it appears in the Goetia.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I have two diagrams showing the Ring of Solomon.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > The first diagram is found in the Mathers/Crowley edition. It's a circle surrounded by three more circles. The illustration can be found at sacred-texts:
      > > > > > > http://www.sacred-texts.com/grim/lks/lks12.htm
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > This diagram looks too neat and tidy and I suspect the original looked something like the second one, found at esotericarchives:
      > > > > > > http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/goetia.htm#ring
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > But that brings me to a good question. Does anyone have a different version of this diagram? (Pre-Crowley)
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Also, the esotericarchives version has some little squiggle, letter, or sign in the center and also something looking like an X on the outside. Anyone have thoughts or comments on those?
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > My last question is about the format of the ring. Is the diagram of a ring or just the bezel of a ring? I ask because a while back I saw a drawing of a ring represented in a similar style (with different words, of course) and upon reading the description it turns out the words in the outer circle of the diagram were from the outside of the ring and the words on the inside were engraved on the inside of the ring.
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    • John Barlow
      Hay that s cool going to have to get me  some. Do you know where to get lamb? you see Lamb is the same vibration as human. Haa Ha Ha like skinning a kid.  
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        Hay that's cool going to have to get me  some. Do you know where to get lamb? you see Lamb is the same vibration as human. Haa Ha Ha like skinning a kid.
         
        93 93/93
        Agapejohn


        >________________________________
        >From: Rob <iamblichos@...>
        >To: solomonic@yahoogroups.com
        >Sent: Friday, July 1, 2011 7:50 AM
        >Subject: [Solomonic] Re: Hexagonal Figure os Solomon
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        >Google 4tw
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        >http://www.johnnealbooks.com/prod_detail_list/87
        >
        >--- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "John" <johnbarlowiii@...> wrote:
        >>
        >> Oh, I forgot to add. Some of your local Black magick shops carry vellum made from lambs skin, 20 yrs ago it was $10 a sheet, now this is not normal lamb skin its from aborted kids,now don't judge its using the waist product from one industry and uses it in another so nothing goes to waste. But, My source in DFW died, (no wander she was trying to sale me her store for so cheep)
        >>
        >> --- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, "AaronL" <kheph777@> wrote:
        >> >
        >> > Yes "virgin parchment" can indicate parchment that has not been used previously. However, some of the grimoires also require it to be made from an animal within the first year of its life. (I.e - one that has not mated yet.)
        >> >
        >> > LVX
        >> > Aaron
        >> >
        >> > --- In solomonic@yahoogroups.com, Hyndla Kensdottir <hyndla53704@> wrote:
        >> > >
        >> > > Could virgin parchment refer to a piece that has not been written upon previously and then scraped clean?
        >> > > Hyndla
        >> > >
        >> > > From: Bryan Garner <bryanashen@>
        >> > > To: "solomonic@yahoogroups.com" <solomonic@yahoogroups.com>
        >> > > Cc: "solomonic@yahoogroups.com" <solomonic@yahoogroups.com>
        >> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:57 AM
        >> > > Subject: [Solomonic] Hexagonal Figure os Solomon
        >> > >
        >> > >
        >> > >  
        >> > >
        >> > > Goetia thought for the day:
        >> > >
        >> > > The Hexagram of Solomon or
        >> > > Solomons hexagonal ffigure
        >> > >
        >> > > I thought I'd share this with the group (first) since I have not posted anything for a while. Most of my musings or discoveries through experiences/ experiments have gone to a select group on Facebook or my online blog at: http://bryanashen.blogspot.com/
        >> > >
        >> > > Part of my interest and practice has been in the creation of grimoric equipment. I strive to emulate each item to the dictates of the text as close as I am able.
        >> > >
        >> > > It has been my experience that the ‘Hexagram of Solomon’ or holy seal has mostly been created on pieces of hide or leather. (Weather calf’s hide from the Goetia or kid’s skin from the Heptameron) Most magicians I’ve talked to or read about, have created their seal on these types of material. I did it this way myself at first. However, this is not the type of material the medieval grimories are actually describing.
        >> > >
        >> > > From the Key of Solomon we have some mention on proper ‘parchment’ used for various magical equipment, and the process of making it. These types of seals are often used for in evocation of spirits to protect the magician and as a badge of authority (to compel the spirits into cooperation and to assume pleasant visible
        >> > > form).
        >> > > There are detailed instructions for the creation of this parchment in the KoS as well as a few other select grimoires. Mg. Aaron Leitch goes into plentiful explanation and notation concerning these sections in his ‘Secrets of the Grimoires’ as I recall. As very few of us have direct experience and opportunity (not to mention a taste) for skinning animals, etc. parchment of this sort can be impractical to create. None the less, virgin parchment of THIS caliber is possible to obtain for a reasonable fee.
        >> > >
        >> > > First, let’s take a look at the description given in the Lemegeton’s Goetia (as given on Joseph Peterson’s Esoteric Archives):
        >> > > “This figure is to be made on parchment made of a calfes Skin and worne at the Skirtt of ye white vestment, and covered wth a lennen [linen] cloath to ye which is to be shewed to the spirits when they are appeared that they may be compelled to be obedient and take a humane shape &c."
        >> > >
        >> > > Wikipedia says this about Calfskin parchment:
        >> > > “Calfskin is a leather or membrane produced from the hide of a calf. Calfskin is particularly valuable because of its softness, and non fine grain. It is commonly used for high-quality shoes, wallets and similar products, as well as traditional leather bookbindings. Fine calfskin is one of the skins used for vellum and parchment manuscripts.”
        >> > >
        >> > > You may recall that VELLUM is the parchment required for the book of Spirits as describe in the Trithemius operation of ‘Drawing Spirits into Crystals’ in The MAGUS. I found a great website which seems to create high quality calfskin parchment. If you are interested in creating a seal using this traditional material, you can find them at: http://www.pergamena.net/products/parchment/. On their website they describe calfskin parchment as thus:
        >> > > “Calfskins are thin but tough and flexible, hence they are the traditional choice for binding and manuscripts. Calfskins sometimes exhibit surface veining and often lack a discernable grain. This latter quality, along with a dense skin fiber weave, is ideal for text or calligraphy, as there is less visual competition from the parchment surface.”
        >> > >
        >> > > About.com says:
        >> > >
        >> > > “Parchment is a paper-like material made from sheep or goat skin. Very fine parchment is called Vellum and is made from calf skin. Parchment is not paper, as technically, paper is made from cellulose pulp.
        >> > > The reverse side of parchment paper has a pitted texture from the hair follicles in the skin, but the drawing surface, on the carefully prepared underside of the skin, is extremely smooth. The flawless surface of parchment allows a very fine line, making it ideal for drawing and calligraphy.”
        >> > >
        >> > > When studying the process of how parchment is made, even without the added complexities as the Key of Solomon describes, you can see an undergoing alchemical transformation. Although this type of parchment was more common during the times the versions of the grimories were recorded, the value placed on ‘virgin parchment’ is obviously apparent. From the young virgin animal, the skin becomes parchment only after a process of intense treatment and refinement. We can see shedding of the unneeded and “base” material in favor of the purified core or essence. We need not look much deeper to recognize the components of the Salt, Sulfur and Mercury.
        >> > >
        >> > > -Bryan
        >> > >
        >> > > On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:07 PM, John Barlow <johnbarlowiii@> wrote:
        >> > >
        >> > > > mine at the time. mine was drawn on paper in gold leaf and wraped around my finger like a ring
        >> > > >
        >> > > > 93 93/93
        >> > > > Agapejohn
        >> > > >
        >> > > > --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Bryan Garner <bryanashen@> wrote:
        >> > > >
        >> > > > From: Bryan Garner <bryanashen@>
        >> > > > Subject: Re: [Solomonic] What Would the Ring of Solomon Look Like?
        >> > > > To: "solomonic@yahoogroups.com" <solomonic@yahoogroups.com>
        >> > > > Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 3:55 PM
        >> > > >
        >> > > >
        >> > > >
        >> > > > I've been working at grimoric Goetia for over a decade now and have made the various versions of the ring or disk. In all honesty I believe either, (band or round disk) would be acceptable and effective in use against 'noxious breath' or any other effects the demons presence may cause. Although I would recommend either silver or gold for the metal as these are the only two listed in the GoS.( I've read the section on Skinner and Rankine's part about the iron or brass and iron ring and agree with the correspondences but not in the experimental substitution thereof. Errors have been made by the assuming magician trying to fit this system in with standard correspondences or Kabbalistic frameworks. I think the 'disk' or shield image of the ring was mistaken from viewing a 2D diagram of the inside and outside of the ring which is difficult if not impossible to draw clearly.
        >> > > >
        >> > > > One of the diagrams was already listed at: http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/lemegeton.htm
        >> > > > The other is from the main text in Peterson's Goetia section, also the one on esoteric archives. These two versions seem earlier and in my opinion, more correct. However, as I mentioned, both could work as they each contain the names which are listed in the text. (unless more protection is allotted by the engraved Greek IHVH touching your skin)
        >> > > > I don't think this is an issue though.
        >> > > >
        >> > > > Solomon's magic ring is a topic of debate
        >> > > > With baring descriptions. One source claims
        >> > > > that it has a star shaped stone on it which was given by an archangel. Another says it was 4 stones by four great archangel. Variation and construction could have quite a few elements unless you are simply satisfied working from the text.
        >> > > >
        >> > > > -Bryan
        >> > > >
        >> > > > On Jun 21, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Enoch Bowen <enochbowen@> wrote:
        >> > > >
        >> > > > > Thank you Brian. Although a simple band would seem the most likely conclusion, it's not what I've seen others making or recommending. It is what I will probably make, though. You mention two older versions of the Goetia. Are those available online?
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > ________________________________
        >> > > > > From: Bryan Garner <bryanashen@>
        >> > > > > To: "solomonic@yahoogroups.com" <solomonic@yahoogroups.com>
        >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:59 AM
        >> > > > > Subject: Re: [Solomonic] What Would the Ring of Solomon Look Like?
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > The ring of Solomon is not as complicated as it first appears. In two older versions the diagrams clearly show a band with "Tetragrammaton" engraved on the inside and "Michael" "Anaphexeton" on the outside. The diagram with the 'X' is a correction from the artist who accidentally misspelled the name with an N instead of an X. Silver seems the most accepted metal to use.
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > Bryan
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > On Jun 20, 2011, at 3:04 AM, "enochbowen@" <enochbowen@> wrote:
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > > I have some questions about the Ring of Solomon as it appears in the Goetia.
        >> > > > > >
        >> > > > > > I have two diagrams showing the Ring of Solomon.
        >> > > > > >
        >> > > > > > The first diagram is found in the Mathers/Crowley edition. It's a circle surrounded by three more circles. The illustration can be found at sacred-texts:
        >> > > > > > http://www.sacred-texts.com/grim/lks/lks12.htm
        >> > > > > >
        >> > > > > > This diagram looks too neat and tidy and I suspect the original looked something like the second one, found at esotericarchives:
        >> > > > > > http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/goetia.htm#ring
        >> > > > > >
        >> > > > > > But that brings me to a good question. Does anyone have a different version of this diagram? (Pre-Crowley)
        >> > > > > >
        >> > > > > > Also, the esotericarchives version has some little squiggle, letter, or sign in the center and also something looking like an X on the outside. Anyone have thoughts or comments on those?
        >> > > > > >
        >> > > > > > My last question is about the format of the ring. Is the diagram of a ring or just the bezel of a ring? I ask because a while back I saw a drawing of a ring represented in a similar style (with different words, of course) and upon reading the description it turns out the words in the outer circle of the diagram were from the outside of the ring and the words on the inside were engraved on the inside of the ring.
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