## 220 volt from 110

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• Why spend \$130 for what you can achieve with two plugs For the procedure about making a fully legal set up here is a copy of a posting made by Roland
Message 1 of 7 , Mar 1, 2005
Why spend \$130 for what you can achieve with two plugs For the
procedure about making a fully "legal" set up here is a copy of a
posting made by Roland Wiench to the ev list

Phil Dayson

Take two cords and plug one into one 120 volt recepticle and Plug the
other
one in a second 120 volt recepticle. (Last time 110 VAC was used was
in the
1930's)

Set a volt meter to the AC Scale at 500 volts or greater.

Measure the voltage between the two cord ends. Insert the meter probe in
the smaller vertical slot of each cord. The smaller slot is the Line
Voltage, or call Line 1, or call Hot, or is the black wire in the cord.

If you do not read any voltage between the two cords that is plug into two
120 volt receptices, than both Lines are on the same Line.

Keep repluging one cord into other 120 volt recepticles. If you do read a
voltage higher than 200 volts or will be in the range of 230 to 240 volts
AC.

You than found the second line which we call Line 2 or L2.

The voltage reading between a Line 1 and a Line 2 or L1 and L2 will read
from 230 VAC to 240 VAC.

These are you two circuits for 230 to 240 vac.

To make it NEC legal, you than trace each circuit to its single pole
circuit
breaker. You must than group these two single pole circuit breakers
together and tie the handles together with a approved circuit breaker hand
tie.

If the circuit breakers are the type that can not be tied together,
than you
must install a 2-pole, 250 volt rating, 20 amp circuit breaker, either
replacing the existing two single pole type or if there is a blank
space in
the circuit breaker box, then install it there.

Now you are still not NEC legal yet. You must trace all the other 120 volt
recepticles on the two lines, and remove them, cap all the wire ends and
install blank plates on all the outlet boxes.

You now must mark the blank plates, with a Lable saying Single Dedicated
Circuit Only Do not used.
In conduit work, we just pull out these wires.

The next step is to hard wire these two outlet boxes together. You probly
have a non-matellic conductor in the wall, and not conduit, so you now
must
connected these two outlet boxes together with a surface type of raceway.

The raceway I used it call WireMold which you can get at Home Depot.

The items you need are:

Two each one gang extension box which is about 1 inch deep that will
fasten
over the outlet junction box's.

Raceway that will connect these two extension boxes together.

You may have to get some external or internal elbows if you are going
around
corners.

One blank cover to blank off one of the extension boxes.

A 240 VAC 20 amp 3-pole, 4-wire recepticle and cover.

There will be two dark color lugs for L1 and for L2, A lighter color
lug for
the neutral and the green for the ground.

I always like a 4 wire recepticle, so if a device calls for a 120 vac
circuit, this is than from the neutral to any one of the Line connections.

You should tell you electrical inspector on how you may want to do
this and
try to get approved for this.

You will find in some cases, you may have to run a seperated circuit
back to
the circuit breaker panel.
• One problem, doesn t the charger pull 16 amps? Most 120 volt outlets I ve seen are 15 amps so unless you found 20 amp outlets this would not work either.
Message 2 of 7 , Mar 2, 2005
One problem, doesn't the charger pull 16 amps? Most 120 volt outlets I've seen are 15 amps so unless you found 20 amp outlets this would not work either.

Stephen Taylor

philipdayson <pdayson@...> wrote:

Why spend \$130 for what you can achieve with two plugs For the
procedure about making a fully "legal" set up here is a copy of a
posting made by Roland Wiench to the ev list

Phil Dayson

Take two cords and plug one into one 120 volt recepticle and Plug the
other
one in a second 120 volt recepticle. (Last time 110 VAC was used was
in the
1930's)

Set a volt meter to the AC Scale at 500 volts or greater.

Measure the voltage between the two cord ends. Insert the meter probe in
the smaller vertical slot of each cord. The smaller slot is the Line
Voltage, or call Line 1, or call Hot, or is the black wire in the cord.

If you do not read any voltage between the two cords that is plug into two
120 volt receptices, than both Lines are on the same Line.

Keep repluging one cord into other 120 volt recepticles. If you do read a
voltage higher than 200 volts or will be in the range of 230 to 240 volts
AC.

You than found the second line which we call Line 2 or L2.

The voltage reading between a Line 1 and a Line 2 or L1 and L2 will read
from 230 VAC to 240 VAC.

These are you two circuits for 230 to 240 vac.

To make it NEC legal, you than trace each circuit to its single pole
circuit
breaker. You must than group these two single pole circuit breakers
together and tie the handles together with a approved circuit breaker hand
tie.

If the circuit breakers are the type that can not be tied together,
than you
must install a 2-pole, 250 volt rating, 20 amp circuit breaker, either
replacing the existing two single pole type or if there is a blank
space in
the circuit breaker box, then install it there.

Now you are still not NEC legal yet. You must trace all the other 120 volt
recepticles on the two lines, and remove them, cap all the wire ends and
install blank plates on all the outlet boxes.

You now must mark the blank plates, with a Lable saying Single Dedicated
Circuit Only Do not used.
In conduit work, we just pull out these wires.

The next step is to hard wire these two outlet boxes together. You probly
have a non-matellic conductor in the wall, and not conduit, so you now
must
connected these two outlet boxes together with a surface type of raceway.

The raceway I used it call WireMold which you can get at Home Depot.

The items you need are:

Two each one gang extension box which is about 1 inch deep that will
fasten
over the outlet junction box's.

Raceway that will connect these two extension boxes together.

You may have to get some external or internal elbows if you are going
around
corners.

One blank cover to blank off one of the extension boxes.

A 240 VAC 20 amp 3-pole, 4-wire recepticle and cover.

There will be two dark color lugs for L1 and for L2, A lighter color
lug for
the neutral and the green for the ground.

I always like a 4 wire recepticle, so if a device calls for a 120 vac
circuit, this is than from the neutral to any one of the Line connections.

You should tell you electrical inspector on how you may want to do
this and
try to get approved for this.

You will find in some cases, you may have to run a seperated circuit
back to
the circuit breaker panel.

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• You sure got my hopes up. I also live in a condo with 120 in the garage. But since I have tripped the breaker I know that it is two 15 amp breakers tied
Message 3 of 7 , Mar 2, 2005
You sure got my hopes up. I also live in a condo with 120 in the
garage. But since I have tripped the breaker I know that it is two 15
amp breakers tied together. When I tripped the breaker, the outlets
went off and so did the lights. So I'm hoping that they are in
separate lines so I can get 220 for my S10.

Thanks for the idea!

Mike
• Hello Mike Is it the factory S-10? If it is that takes at least a 30 Amp breaker on 220 so it would not work. Putting two 110 together only changes the volts
Message 4 of 7 , Mar 2, 2005
Hello Mike

Is it the factory S-10? If it is that takes at least a 30 Amp breaker on 220
so it would not work. Putting two 110 together only changes the volts not the
Amps you would have 220 but at 15 amps.

Don

In a message dated 3/2/2005 7:56:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mikep_95133@... writes:

You sure got my hopes up. I also live in a condo with 120 in the
garage. But since I have tripped the breaker I know that it is two 15
amp breakers tied together. When I tripped the breaker, the outlets
went off and so did the lights. So I'm hoping that they are in
separate lines so I can get 220 for my S10.

Thanks for the idea!

Mike

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• Mine is a US electricar S10. So it s from someone s factory :) Mike ... breaker on 220 ... volts not the ... 15
Message 5 of 7 , Mar 2, 2005
Mine is a US electricar S10. So it's from someone's factory :)

Mike

--- In force_ev@yahoogroups.com, theoldcars@a... wrote:
> Hello Mike
>
> Is it the factory S-10? If it is that takes at least a 30 Amp
breaker on 220
> so it would not work. Putting two 110 together only changes the
volts not the
> Amps you would have 220 but at 15 amps.
>
> Don
>
> In a message dated 3/2/2005 7:56:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> mikep_95133@y... writes:
>
> You sure got my hopes up. I also live in a condo with 120 in the
> garage. But since I have tripped the breaker I know that it is two
15
> amp breakers tied together. When I tripped the breaker, the outlets
> went off and so did the lights. So I'm hoping that they are in
> separate lines so I can get 220 for my S10.
>
> Thanks for the idea!
>
> Mike
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
• If you can find an electric dryer (outlet)in your facility, it could be tapped with an adapter to connect to your charger, as needed. You could also leave
Message 6 of 7 , Mar 2, 2005
If you can find an electric dryer (outlet)in your facility, it could
be "tapped" with an adapter to connect to your charger, as needed.
You could also leave the charger connected with the dryer, but make
sure both are not used at the same time!

Dryer circuit fusing will be greater than your 220 volt 20 or 30
amps needed for the charger. Hopefully charger is fused properly and
you will not be relying on higher fused dryer circuit breaker.

Dave

--- In force_ev@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Phillips" <mikep_95133@y...>
wrote:
>
> You sure got my hopes up. I also live in a condo with 120 in the
> garage. But since I have tripped the breaker I know that it is two
15
> amp breakers tied together. When I tripped the breaker, the
outlets
> went off and so did the lights. So I'm hoping that they are in
> separate lines so I can get 220 for my S10.
>
> Thanks for the idea!
>
> Mike
• The only dryer outlet is in the condo three stories above the garage. It may not be a 40 amp 220 service, but it would still provide nearly double the wattage
Message 7 of 7 , Mar 3, 2005
The only dryer outlet is in the condo three stories above the garage.
It may not be a 40 amp 220 service, but it would still provide nearly
double the wattage right? I remember seeing in either Dolcomm or Dol7
that there was a limit that could be set for the input current used
going into the charger. Although I also hear that the dolphin is not
saving the changes.

Mike

--- In force_ev@yahoogroups.com, "pattersondr2" <DRPatterson@c...>
wrote:
>
> If you can find an electric dryer (outlet)in your facility, it
could
> be "tapped" with an adapter to connect to your charger, as needed.
> You could also leave the charger connected with the dryer, but make
> sure both are not used at the same time!
>
> Dryer circuit fusing will be greater than your 220 volt 20 or 30
> amps needed for the charger. Hopefully charger is fused properly
and
> you will not be relying on higher fused dryer circuit breaker.
>
> Dave
>
>
> --- In force_ev@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Phillips" <mikep_95133@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > You sure got my hopes up. I also live in a condo with 120 in the
> > garage. But since I have tripped the breaker I know that it is
two
> 15
> > amp breakers tied together. When I tripped the breaker, the
> outlets
> > went off and so did the lights. So I'm hoping that they are in
> > separate lines so I can get 220 for my S10.
> >
> > Thanks for the idea!
> >
> > Mike
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