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  • Sid Boyce
    correction my post was on 2012/01/01. 73 ... Sid. ... -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and
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      correction my post was on 2012/01/01.
      73 ... Sid.

      On 02/03/13 13:16, Sid Boyce wrote:
       

      It's been quite a while since I used fldigi on linux but it worked with hamlib rig model 2509.
      # rigctl -l|grep 2509
        2509  SoftRock               Si570 AVR-USB           0.2             Beta

      In my post of 2012/01/10:
      In the rig selection list it is "Si570 AVR-USB" for Softrock which also works for UHFSDR.
      73 ... Sid.

      On 02/03/13 04:16, John Greusel wrote:
       
      Phil,

      The linux version has Hamlib support that includes softrocks.Hamlib however does not support IQ interpretation.
      That being said- it will decode PSK31 without decoding the IQ signal. It will also transmit a readable signal however you will be essentially splattering. You'll have a signal on both sides of the LO and I have no idea the width. The best route is to struggle through PSDR and virtual audio and serial cables. That route works great just a rather steep learning curve.

      John
      KC9OJV
       



      From: Phil Frost <indigo@...>
      To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:06 PM
      Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI

       
      On 03/01/2013 09:17 PM, jvilardo2000 wrote:
      > Has anyone had sucess interfacing the RXTX Ensemble to FLDIGI.

      I was just looking into this, and it appears that FLDIGI does not work
      with I/Q signals. I found some posts suggesting people have thought
      about adding support, but I'm not sure it was ever done.




      -- 
      Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
      Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
      Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
      Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
      


      -- 
      Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
      Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
      Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
      Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
      
  • Sid Boyce
    Hi John, I meant to try fldigi under quisk but never got around to it being busy with ODROID-U/-X/X2 kernel building and making installable images,
    Message 2 of 14 , Mar 2, 2013
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      Hi John,
      I meant to try fldigi under quisk but never got around to it being busy with ODROID-U/-X/X2 kernel building and making installable images, Hermes/cuSDR64, HiQSDR TX problem now circumvented and Ensemble RXTX QRO mod.

      The latest from Jim Ahlstrom
      ==================
      Quisk Version 3.6.7 February 2013

      I added a check for the correct wx version. Thanks to Mario, DH5YM. Selecting "Config/Favorites/TuneTo"
      now changes to the configured default_screen instead of the waterfall screen. Thanks to Detlef, DL7IY.
      The mute button and volume now controls only the radio sound, and not the digital output. Thanks to Mario, DH5YM.

      Previously, Fldigi XML-RPC control only worked if a digital mode was selected and a digital audio device
      was specified. Now it is always active unless you turn it off in the config file.

      The transmit power level and the digital transmit power level can now be adjusted on the config screen. The
      levels are a percentage of tx_level as set in the config file. The meaning of digital_tx_level was changed.
      It is now the maximum percentage value for the slider. Thanks to Hubert, DG7MGY.

      There is a new feature to save frequencies and return to them. When you have tuned in a signal of interest,
      press the "Save" button to save the frequency, band and mode. Repeat for more signals. Now press "Next",
      to switch to the next saved signal, and press "Next" repeatedly to cycle through the list. To delete a
      saved signal, first tune to it with "Next" and then press "Delete". If you save a large number of signals,
      right click the "Next" button, and you will get a popup menu so you can jump directly to a station. Thanks
      to Detlef, DL7IY.

      I had to renumber the columns for the Quisk buttons. That won't matter to you unless you add your own widgets
      to the bottom of the screen by importing your own quisk_widgets. Then you will need to renumber your columns.
      See n2adr/quisk_widgets.py for an example.
        ===========================================================

      Previous post
      ------------------
      Quisk Version 3.6.4 September 2012

      I added Hamlib control to Quisk. Set your digital or logging program to rig2, device localhost:4575. See the Help and docs.html. This is used to control Quisk from other digital mode programs such as WSPR.

      I added the Y scale to the graph above the waterfall.

      Quisk can now record the speaker audio and the digital samples to a WAV file. Set the file names using the config screen, and then use the "FileRec" button to start recording. Press the Help button for more information.
      ============================================================

      Hope those help.
      73 ... Sid.


      On 02/03/13 13:32, John Greusel wrote:
       
      Sid,

      Under Hamlib (Fldigi linux version)  there is frequency control and PTT but no IQ decoding. You're a linux expert and could route the signal through QtRadio or Quisk easily enough but for someone not familiar with linux it's probably easier to follow the path in windows via virtual audio and serial cables. I believe the author of Fldigi has a donated RXTX an it was hoped a  direct interface would be developed but so far we haven't seen it. I thought at one time that the Hamlib source supported Softrock completely but one of the Hamlib supporters straightened me out on that. 

      John
      KC9OJV
       



      From: Sid Boyce <sboyce@...>
      To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:16 AM
      Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI

       
      It's been quite a while since I used fldigi on linux but it worked with hamlib rig model 2509.
      # rigctl -l|grep 2509
        2509  SoftRock               Si570 AVR-USB           0.2             Beta

      In my post of 2012/01/10:
      In the rig selection list it is "Si570 AVR-USB" for Softrock which also works for UHFSDR.
      73 ... Sid.

      On 02/03/13 04:16, John Greusel wrote:
       
      Phil,

      The linux version has Hamlib support that includes softrocks.Hamlib however does not support IQ interpretation.
      That being said- it will decode PSK31 without decoding the IQ signal. It will also transmit a readable signal however you will be essentially splattering. You'll have a signal on both sides of the LO and I have no idea the width. The best route is to struggle through PSDR and virtual audio and serial cables. That route works great just a rather steep learning curve.

      John
      KC9OJV
       



      From: Phil Frost <indigo@...>
      To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:06 PM
      Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI

       
      On 03/01/2013 09:17 PM, jvilardo2000 wrote:
      > Has anyone had sucess interfacing the RXTX Ensemble to FLDIGI.

      I was just looking into this, and it appears that FLDIGI does not work
      with I/Q signals. I found some posts suggesting people have thought
      about adding support, but I'm not sure it was ever done.




      -- 
      Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
      Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
      Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
      Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
      




      -- 
      Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
      Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
      Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
      Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
      
    • MIKE DURKIN
      cept without modification to hamlib before build .... UHFSR will be 2X the desired freq .... for any one with a UHFSDR .... Mike KC7NOA To:
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        cept without modification to hamlib before build .... UHFSR will be 2X the desired freq ....

        for any one with a UHFSDR ....

        Mike KC7NOA


        To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
        From: sboyce@...
        Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:16:27 +0000
        Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI

         

        It's been quite a while since I used fldigi on linux but it worked with hamlib rig model 2509.
        # rigctl -l|grep 2509
          2509  SoftRock               Si570 AVR-USB           0.2             Beta

        In my post of 2012/01/10:
        In the rig selection list it is "Si570 AVR-USB" for Softrock which also works for UHFSDR.
        73 ... Sid.

        On 02/03/13 04:16, John Greusel wrote:
         
        Phil,

        The linux version has Hamlib support that includes softrocks.Hamlib however does not support IQ interpretation.
        That being said- it will decode PSK31 without decoding the IQ signal. It will also transmit a readable signal however you will be essentially splattering. You'll have a signal on both sides of the LO and I have no idea the width. The best route is to struggle through PSDR and virtual audio and serial cables. That route works great just a rather steep learning curve.

        John
        KC9OJV
         



        From: Phil Frost <indigo@...>
        To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:06 PM
        Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI

         
        On 03/01/2013 09:17 PM, jvilardo2000 wrote:
        > Has anyone had sucess interfacing the RXTX Ensemble to FLDIGI.

        I was just looking into this, and it appears that FLDIGI does not work
        with I/Q signals. I found some posts suggesting people have thought
        about adding support, but I'm not sure it was ever done.




        -- 
        Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
        Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
        Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
        Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
        

      • Sid Boyce
        Thanks Mike, At the time I was thinking UHFSDR/SDR-Widget which works with x4 in hamlib and Linrad. 73 ... Sid. ... -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV,
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          Thanks Mike,
          At the time I was thinking UHFSDR/SDR-Widget which works with x4 in hamlib and Linrad.
          73 ... Sid.

          On 02/03/13 15:29, MIKE DURKIN wrote:
           

          cept without modification to hamlib before build .... UHFSR will be 2X the desired freq ....

          for any one with a UHFSDR ....

          Mike KC7NOA


          To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
          From: sboyce@...
          Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 13:16:27 +0000
          Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI

           

          It's been quite a while since I used fldigi on linux but it worked with hamlib rig model 2509.
          # rigctl -l|grep 2509
            2509  SoftRock               Si570 AVR-USB           0.2             Beta

          In my post of 2012/01/10:
          In the rig selection list it is "Si570 AVR-USB" for Softrock which also works for UHFSDR.
          73 ... Sid.

          On 02/03/13 04:16, John Greusel wrote:
           
          Phil,

          The linux version has Hamlib support that includes softrocks.Hamlib however does not support IQ interpretation.
          That being said- it will decode PSK31 without decoding the IQ signal. It will also transmit a readable signal however you will be essentially splattering. You'll have a signal on both sides of the LO and I have no idea the width. The best route is to struggle through PSDR and virtual audio and serial cables. That route works great just a rather steep learning curve.

          John
          KC9OJV
           



          From: Phil Frost <indigo@...>
          To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:06 PM
          Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI

           
          On 03/01/2013 09:17 PM, jvilardo2000 wrote:
          > Has anyone had sucess interfacing the RXTX Ensemble to FLDIGI.

          I was just looking into this, and it appears that FLDIGI does not work
          with I/Q signals. I found some posts suggesting people have thought
          about adding support, but I'm not sure it was ever done.







          -- 
          Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
          Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
          Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
          Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
          
        • John Williams
          I found that HDSDR runs much better than PSDR for FLDigi on my computer (circa 2006 Pentium 4 dual core on WinXP). More efficient memory utilization and seems
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            I found that HDSDR runs much better than PSDR for FLDigi on my computer (circa 2006 Pentium 4 dual core on WinXP). More efficient memory utilization and seems more stable. I use VAC to send the audio from HDSDR to FLDigi. I installed the 2.6 EXTSI570 dll from Fred's site to enable transmit. I then use fldigi running a kenwood TS-50 xml file to control the CAT interface to sync the VFOs. After all of that, it is rock solid. I bring up the apps and have run them for weeks without rebooting or re-launching.

            Recently I have worked a few contacts to Switzerland, Germany, France and lots of LA on 1W on 20M using psk31.

            John
            On 3/1/2013 8:16 PM, John Greusel wrote:
             
            Phil,

            The linux version has Hamlib support that includes softrocks.Hamlib however does not support IQ interpretation.
            That being said- it will decode PSK31 without decoding the IQ signal. It will also transmit a readable signal however you will be essentially splattering. You'll have a signal on both sides of the LO and I have no idea the width. The best route is to struggle through PSDR and virtual audio and serial cables. That route works great just a rather steep learning curve.

            John
            KC9OJV
             



            From: Phil Frost <indigo@...>
            To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:06 PM
            Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI

             
            On 03/01/2013 09:17 PM, jvilardo2000 wrote:
            > Has anyone had sucess interfacing the RXTX Ensemble to FLDIGI.

            I was just looking into this, and it appears that FLDIGI does not work
            with I/Q signals. I found some posts suggesting people have thought
            about adding support, but I'm not sure it was ever done.



            -- 
            
            John Williams
            
            KE5SSH - ham since 2007
            WQKA523 - GMRS for family use on the farm
            
          • John Greusel
            I agree with you John- my experience is much the same but I think the setup for HDSDR is a bit less intuitive (having to key PTT to find the transmit settings)
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              I agree with you John- my experience is much the same but I think the setup for HDSDR is a bit less intuitive (having to key PTT to find the transmit settings) and less has been written about using it in transmit/digital modes.

              John
              KC9OJV
               



              From: John Williams <KE5SSH@...>
              To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:59 AM
              Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI

               
              I found that HDSDR runs much better than PSDR for FLDigi on my computer (circa 2006 Pentium 4 dual core on WinXP). More efficient memory utilization and seems more stable. I use VAC to send the audio from HDSDR to FLDigi. I installed the 2.6 EXTSI570 dll from Fred's site to enable transmit. I then use fldigi running a kenwood TS-50 xml file to control the CAT interface to sync the VFOs. After all of that, it is rock solid. I bring up the apps and have run them for weeks without rebooting or re-launching.

              Recently I have worked a few contacts to Switzerland, Germany, France and lots of LA on 1W on 20M using psk31.

              John
              On 3/1/2013 8:16 PM, John Greusel wrote:
               
              Phil,

              The linux version has Hamlib support that includes softrocks.Hamlib however does not support IQ interpretation.
              That being said- it will decode PSK31 without decoding the IQ signal. It will also transmit a readable signal however you will be essentially splattering. You'll have a signal on both sides of the LO and I have no idea the width. The best route is to struggle through PSDR and virtual audio and serial cables. That route works great just a rather steep learning curve.

              John
              KC9OJV
               



              From: Phil Frost <indigo@...>
              To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:06 PM
              Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI

               
              On 03/01/2013 09:17 PM, jvilardo2000 wrote:
              > Has anyone had sucess interfacing the RXTX Ensemble to FLDIGI.

              I was just looking into this, and it appears that FLDIGI does not work
              with I/Q signals. I found some posts suggesting people have thought
              about adding support, but I'm not sure it was ever done.



              -- 
              
              John Williams
              
              KE5SSH - ham since 2007
              WQKA523 - GMRS for family use on the farm
              


            • Alan
              ... Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI ... John, Personally I prefer HDSDR. I now remember the information is in our group files
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                ----- Original Message -----
                Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI


                > I think the setup for HDSDR is a bit less intuitive (having to key PTT to find the transmit settings) and less has been written
                > about using it in transmit/digital modes.

                John,

                Personally I prefer HDSDR.
                I now remember the information is in our group files http://groups.yahoo.com/group/softrock40/files/HDSDR/

                73 Alan G4ZFQ
              • Sid Boyce
                There is an interesting article by Jim regarding his thoughts for future development to handle fldigi, etc. http://james.ahlstrom.name/hamlib.html 73 ... Sid.
                Message 8 of 14 , Mar 4, 2013
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                  There is an interesting article by Jim regarding his thoughts for future development to handle fldigi, etc.
                  http://james.ahlstrom.name/hamlib.html
                  73 ... Sid.

                  On 02/03/13 15:12, Sid Boyce wrote:
                   

                  Hi John,
                  I meant to try fldigi under quisk but never got around to it being busy with ODROID-U/-X/X2 kernel building and making installable images, Hermes/cuSDR64, HiQSDR TX problem now circumvented and Ensemble RXTX QRO mod.

                  The latest from Jim Ahlstrom
                  ==================
                  Quisk Version 3.6.7 February 2013

                  I added a check for the correct wx version. Thanks to Mario, DH5YM. Selecting "Config/Favorites/TuneTo"
                  now changes to the configured default_screen instead of the waterfall screen. Thanks to Detlef, DL7IY.
                  The mute button and volume now controls only the radio sound, and not the digital output. Thanks to Mario, DH5YM.

                  Previously, Fldigi XML-RPC control only worked if a digital mode was selected and a digital audio device
                  was specified. Now it is always active unless you turn it off in the config file.

                  The transmit power level and the digital transmit power level can now be adjusted on the config screen. The
                  levels are a percentage of tx_level as set in the config file. The meaning of digital_tx_level was changed.
                  It is now the maximum percentage value for the slider. Thanks to Hubert, DG7MGY.

                  There is a new feature to save frequencies and return to them. When you have tuned in a signal of interest,
                  press the "Save" button to save the frequency, band and mode. Repeat for more signals. Now press "Next",
                  to switch to the next saved signal, and press "Next" repeatedly to cycle through the list. To delete a
                  saved signal, first tune to it with "Next" and then press "Delete". If you save a large number of signals,
                  right click the "Next" button, and you will get a popup menu so you can jump directly to a station. Thanks
                  to Detlef, DL7IY.

                  I had to renumber the columns for the Quisk buttons. That won't matter to you unless you add your own widgets
                  to the bottom of the screen by importing your own quisk_widgets. Then you will need to renumber your columns.
                  See n2adr/quisk_widgets.py for an example.
                    ===========================================================

                  Previous post
                  ------------------
                  Quisk Version 3.6.4 September 2012

                  I added Hamlib control to Quisk. Set your digital or logging program to rig2, device localhost:4575. See the Help and docs.html. This is used to control Quisk from other digital mode programs such as WSPR.

                  I added the Y scale to the graph above the waterfall.

                  Quisk can now record the speaker audio and the digital samples to a WAV file. Set the file names using the config screen, and then use the "FileRec" button to start recording. Press the Help button for more information.
                  ============================================================

                  Hope those help.
                  73 ... Sid.


                  On 02/03/13 13:32, John Greusel wrote:
                   
                  Sid,

                  Under Hamlib (Fldigi linux version)  there is frequency control and PTT but no IQ decoding. You're a linux expert and could route the signal through QtRadio or Quisk easily enough but for someone not familiar with linux it's probably easier to follow the path in windows via virtual audio and serial cables. I believe the author of Fldigi has a donated RXTX an it was hoped a  direct interface would be developed but so far we haven't seen it. I thought at one time that the Hamlib source supported Softrock completely but one of the Hamlib supporters straightened me out on that. 

                  John
                  KC9OJV
                   



                  From: Sid Boyce <sboyce@...>
                  To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:16 AM
                  Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI

                   
                  It'sbeen quite a while since I used fldigi on linux but it worked with hamlib rig model 2509.
                  # rigctl -l|grep 2509
                    2509  SoftRock               Si570 AVR-USB           0.2             Beta

                  In my post of 2012/01/10:
                  In the rig selection list it is "Si570 AVR-USB" for Softrock which also works for UHFSDR.
                  73 ... Sid.

                  On 02/03/13 04:16, John Greusel wrote:
                   
                  Phil,

                  The linux version has Hamlib support that includes softrocks.Hamlib however does not support IQ interpretation.
                  Thatbeing said- it will decode PSK31 without decoding the IQ signal. It will also transmit a readable signal however you will be essentially splattering. You'll have a signal on both sides of the LO and I have no idea the width. The best route is to struggle through PSDR and virtual audio and serial cables. That route works great just a rather steep learning curve.

                  John
                  KC9OJV
                   



                  From: Phil Frost <indigo@...>
                  To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 9:06 PM
                  Subject: Re: [softrock40] softwork ensemble & FLDIGI

                   
                  On 03/01/2013 09:17 PM, jvilardo2000 wrote:
                  > Has anyone had sucess interfacing the RXTX Ensemble to FLDIGI.

                  I was just looking into this, and it appears that FLDIGI does not work
                  with I/Q signals. I found some posts suggesting people have thought
                  about adding support, but I'm not sure it was ever done.




                  -- 
                  Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                  Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                  Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                  Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                  




                  -- 
                  Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                  Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                  Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                  Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                  


                  -- 
                  Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                  Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                  Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                  Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                  
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