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  • warrenallgyer
    Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the needing broadcast or professional quality part in my hurry to scramble onto my soapbox...... will try to read it better
    Message 1 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
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      Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the "needing broadcast or professional quality" part in my hurry to scramble onto my soapbox...... will try to read it better next time.

      Warren Allgyer - W8TOD

      --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:
      >
      > Hi Warren,
      > Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions tried to say the same.
      > I think many of the guys using expensive audio gadgets typically
      > overdrive without regard to splattering and get quite offended when told
      > they are splattering.
      >
      > I have heard them tell guys to get a decent receiver even when they have
      > the same rigs.
      >
      > I won't pay >£5.00 UK for a Mic.
      > 73 ... Sid.
      >
      > On 21/01/13 16:29, warrenallgyer wrote:
      > >
      > > I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth of a
      > > SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality
      > > professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5 KHz, add in the
      > > background noise in a normal ham shack, and your several hundred
      > > dollar microphone will sound no better than most of the Skype
      > > compatible mics you buy at Walmart.
      > >
      > > Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more likely the result of overly
      > > aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into adjacent QSOs is almost
      > > always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is not caused by the
      > > microphone.
      > >
      > > A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set according to the two tone
      > > test level described in the ARRL Handbook will give some of the best
      > > sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most amateur SSB is
      > > generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is generated using old
      > > fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s superior audio quality.
      > >
      > > Again....due to the extremely limited frequency response any
      > > reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning quality SSB . I like a
      > > USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker, mic, and an audio card
      > > all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.
      > >
      > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
      > >
      > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
      > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
      > >
      > > >
      > > > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
      > > > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the
      > > > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
      > > >
      > > > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
      > > > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
      > > > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
      > > > 73 ... Sid.
      > > >
      > > > --
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      > --
      > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
      > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
      > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
      > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
      >
    • Sid Boyce
      No worries Warren, That happens to us all from time to time, especially when we have loads of email to view. I ve often hit the send button and instantly get
      Message 2 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
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        No worries Warren,
        That happens to us all from time to time, especially when we have loads of email to view.

        I've often hit the send button and instantly get one of those what have I done moments and someone picks up the error before the retraction is typed.
        73 ... Sid.

        On 22/01/13 03:18, warrenallgyer wrote:
         

        Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the "needing broadcast or professional quality" part in my hurry to scramble onto my soapbox...... will try to read it better next time.

        Warren Allgyer - W8TOD

        --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:
        >
        > Hi Warren,
        > Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions tried to say the same.
        > I think many of the guys using expensive audio gadgets typically
        > overdrive without regard to splattering and get quite offended when told
        > they are splattering.
        >
        > I have heard them tell guys to get a decent receiver even when they have
        > the same rigs.
        >
        > I won't pay >£5.00 UK for a Mic.
        > 73 ... Sid.
        >
        > On 21/01/13 16:29, warrenallgyer wrote:
        > >
        > > I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth of a
        > > SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality
        > > professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5 KHz, add in the
        > > background noise in a normal ham shack, and your several hundred
        > > dollar microphone will sound no better than most of the Skype
        > > compatible mics you buy at Walmart.
        > >
        > > Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more likely the result of overly
        > > aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into adjacent QSOs is almost
        > > always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is not caused by the
        > > microphone.
        > >
        > > A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set according to the two tone
        > > test level described in the ARRL Handbook will give some of the best
        > > sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most amateur SSB is
        > > generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is generated using old
        > > fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s superior audio quality.
        > >
        > > Again....due to the extremely limited frequency response any
        > > reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning quality SSB . I like a
        > > USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker, mic, and an audio card
        > > all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.
        > >
        > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
        > >
        > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
        > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
        > >
        > > >
        > > > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
        > > > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the
        > > > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
        > > >
        > > > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
        > > > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
        > > > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
        > > > 73 ... Sid.
        > > >
        > > > --
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
        >



        -- 
        Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
        Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
        Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
        Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
        
      • MIKE DURKIN
        you know .. its interesting to SHOW some one who is so wide and over modulated to the point of poor side band rejection with SDR ..... Iv head some wonderful
        Message 3 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
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          you know .. its interesting to SHOW some one who is so wide and over modulated to the point of poor side band rejection with SDR .....
          Iv head some wonderful sounding rigs on 40M (around 7.12) and then see 1/3 their power on the wrong side band ....


          To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
          From: sboyce@...
          Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:35:45 +0000
          Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Microphones

           

          No worries Warren,
          That happens to us all from time to time, especially when we have loads of email to view.

          I've often hit the send button and instantly get one of those what have I done moments and someone picks up the error before the retraction is typed.
          73 ... Sid.

          On 22/01/13 03:18, warrenallgyer wrote:
           
          Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the "needing broadcast or professional quality" part in my hurry to scramble onto my soapbox...... will try to read it better next time.

          Warren Allgyer - W8TOD

          --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:
          >
          > Hi Warren,
          > Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions tried to say the same.
          > I think many of the guys using expensive audio gadgets typically
          > overdrive without regard to splattering and get quite offended when told
          > they are splattering.
          >
          > I have heard them tell guys to get a decent receiver even when they have
          > the same rigs.
          >
          > I won't pay >£5.00 UK for a Mic.
          > 73 ... Sid.
          >
          > On 21/01/13 16:29, warrenallgyer wrote:
          > >
          > > I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth of a
          > > SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality
          > > professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5 KHz, add in the
          > > background noise in a normal ham shack, and your several hundred
          > > dollar microphone will sound no better than most of the Skype
          > > compatible mics you buy at Walmart.
          > >
          > > Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more likely the result of overly
          > > aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into adjacent QSOs is almost
          > > always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is not caused by the
          > > microphone.
          > >
          > > A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set according to the two tone
          > > test level described in the ARRL Handbook will give some of the best
          > > sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most amateur SSB is
          > > generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is generated using old
          > > fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s superior audio quality.
          > >
          > > Again....due to the extremely limited frequency response any
          > > reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning quality SSB . I like a
          > > USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker, mic, and an audio card
          > > all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.
          > >
          > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
          > >
          > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
          > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
          > >
          > > >
          > > > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
          > > > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the
          > > > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
          > > >
          > > > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
          > > > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
          > > > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
          > > > 73 ... Sid.
          > > >
          > > > --
          > >
          > >
          >
          >
          >



          -- 
          Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
          Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
          Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
          Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
          

        • warrenallgyer
          Agreed! More than once I have snapped off a screenshot and emailed it to the email address I found on QRZ.com. Most guys are very appreciative of the input.
          Message 4 of 17 , Jan 22, 2013
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            Agreed! More than once I have snapped off a screenshot and emailed it to the email address I found on QRZ.com. Most guys are very appreciative of the input.

            Warren Allgyer - W8TOD

            --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, MIKE DURKIN wrote:
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            > you know .. its interesting to SHOW some one who is so wide and over modulated to the point of poor side band rejection with SDR .....
            > Iv head some wonderful sounding rigs on 40M (around 7.12) and then see 1/3 their power on the wrong side band ....
            >
            > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
            > From: sboyce@...
            > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:35:45 +0000
            > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Microphones
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            > No worries Warren,
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            > That happens to us all from time to time, especially when we have
            > loads of email to view.
            >
            >
            >
            > I've often hit the send button and instantly get one of those what
            > have I done moments and someone picks up the error before the
            > retraction is typed.
            >
            > 73 ... Sid.
            >
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            > On 22/01/13 03:18, warrenallgyer wrote:
            >
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            > Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the "needing broadcast or
            > professional quality" part in my hurry to scramble onto my
            > soapbox...... will try to read it better next time.
            >
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            > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
            >
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            >
            > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com,
            > Sid Boyce wrote:
            >
            > >
            >
            > > Hi Warren,
            >
            > > Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions
            > tried to say the same.
            >
            > > I think many of the guys using expensive audio
            > gadgets typically
            >
            > > overdrive without regard to splattering and get quite
            > offended when told
            >
            > > they are splattering.
            >
            > >
            >
            > > I have heard them tell guys to get a decent receiver
            > even when they have
            >
            > > the same rigs.
            >
            > >
            >
            > > I won't pay >£5.00 UK for a Mic.
            >
            > > 73 ... Sid.
            >
            > >
            >
            > > On 21/01/13 16:29, warrenallgyer wrote:
            >
            > > >
            >
            > > > I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The
            > audio bandwidth of a
            >
            > > > SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking
            > a high quality
            >
            > > > professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5
            > KHz, add in the
            >
            > > > background noise in a normal ham shack, and your
            > several hundred
            >
            > > > dollar microphone will sound no better than most
            > of the Skype
            >
            > > > compatible mics you buy at Walmart.
            >
            > > >
            >
            > > > Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more
            > likely the result of overly
            >
            > > > aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into
            > adjacent QSOs is almost
            >
            > > > always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is
            > not caused by the
            >
            > > > microphone.
            >
            > > >
            >
            > > > A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set
            > according to the two tone
            >
            > > > test level described in the ARRL Handbook will
            > give some of the best
            >
            > > > sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most
            > amateur SSB is
            >
            > > > generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is
            > generated using old
            >
            > > > fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s
            > superior audio quality.
            >
            > > >
            >
            > > > Again....due to the extremely limited frequency
            > response any
            >
            > > > reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning
            > quality SSB . I like a
            >
            > > > USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker,
            > mic, and an audio card
            >
            > > > all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.
            >
            > > >
            >
            > > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
            >
            > > >
            >
            > > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
            >
            >
            > > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
            >
            > > >
            >
            > > > >
            >
            > > > > We are needing broadcast or production
            > audio quality.
            >
            > > > > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound
            > card works with even the
            >
            > > > > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
            >
            > > > >
            >
            > > > > Many of the stations I hear on the air
            > using sound mixers and
            >
            > > > > compressors either sound quite muffled or
            > splatter over adjacent
            >
            > > > > transmissions but they get reports of great
            > sounding audio.
            >
            > > > > 73 ... Sid.
            >
            > > > >
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            > > > > --
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            > --
            > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
            > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
            > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
            > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
            >
          • Sid Boyce
            When others tell them great audio and someone else tells them they re splattering they get highly offended. Last week a European station calling a Stateside
            Message 5 of 17 , Jan 22, 2013
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              When others tell them great audio and someone else tells them they're splattering they get highly offended.
              Last week a European station calling a Stateside station was told by the guy to back off processing. He turned it off and sounded better, next he asked him to reduce power - perfect signal.
              73 ... Sid.

              On 22/01/13 03:59, MIKE DURKIN wrote:
               

              you know .. its interesting to SHOW some one who is so wide and over modulated to the point of poor side band rejection with SDR .....
              Iv head some wonderful sounding rigs on 40M (around 7.12) and then see 1/3 their power on the wrong side band ....


              To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
              From: sboyce@...
              Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:35:45 +0000
              Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Microphones

               

              No worries Warren,
              That happens to us all from time to time, especially when we have loads of email to view.

              I've often hit the send button and instantly get one of those what have I done moments and someone picks up the error before the retraction is typed.
              73 ... Sid.

              On 22/01/13 03:18, warrenallgyer wrote:
               
              Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the "needing broadcast or professional quality" part in my hurry to scramble onto my soapbox...... will try to read it better next time.

              Warren Allgyer - W8TOD

              --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:
              >
              > Hi Warren,
              > Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions tried to say the same.
              > I think many of the guys using expensive audio gadgets typically
              > overdrive without regard to splattering and get quite offended when told
              > they are splattering.
              >
              > I have heard them tell guys to get a decent receiver even when they have
              > the same rigs.
              >
              > I won't pay >£5.00 UK for a Mic.
              > 73 ... Sid.
              >
              > On 21/01/13 16:29, warrenallgyer wrote:
              > >
              > > I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth of a
              > > SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality
              > > professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5 KHz, add in the
              > > background noise in a normal ham shack, and your several hundred
              > > dollar microphone will sound no better than most of the Skype
              > > compatible mics you buy at Walmart.
              > >
              > > Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more likely the result of overly
              > > aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into adjacent QSOs is almost
              > > always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is not caused by the
              > > microphone.
              > >
              > > A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set according to the two tone
              > > test level described in the ARRL Handbook will give some of the best
              > > sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most amateur SSB is
              > > generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is generated using old
              > > fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s superior audio quality.
              > >
              > > Again....due to the extremely limited frequency response any
              > > reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning quality SSB . I like a
              > > USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker, mic, and an audio card
              > > all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.
              > >
              > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
              > >
              > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
              > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
              > >
              > > >
              > > > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
              > > > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the
              > > > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
              > > >
              > > > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
              > > > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
              > > > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
              > > > 73 ... Sid.
              > > >
              > > > --
              > >
              > >
              >
              >
              >






              -- 
              Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
              Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
              Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
              Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
              
            • warrenallgyer
              Yes and what many people do not realize is that great audio and splattering can happen at the same time.... and often do. When the op runs up the
              Message 6 of 17 , Jan 22, 2013
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                Yes and what many people do not realize is that "great audio" and "splattering" can happen at the same time.... and often do. When the op runs up the compression he can get a very "punchy" signal inside the SSB passband that sounds great...... but tune up or down 2 KHz and you still hear him!

                --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:
                >
                > When others tell them great audio and someone else tells them they're
                > splattering they get highly offended.
                > Last week a European station calling a Stateside station was told by the
                > guy to back off processing. He turned it off and sounded better, next he
                > asked him to reduce power - perfect signal.
                > 73 ... Sid.
                >
                > On 22/01/13 03:59, MIKE DURKIN wrote:
                > >
                > > you know .. its interesting to SHOW some one who is so wide and over
                > > modulated to the point of poor side band rejection with SDR .....
                > > Iv head some wonderful sounding rigs on 40M (around 7.12) and then see
                > > 1/3 their power on the wrong side band ....
                > >
                > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                > > From: sboyce@...
                > > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:35:45 +0000
                > > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Microphones
                > >
                > >
                > > No worries Warren,
                > > That happens to us all from time to time, especially when we have
                > > loads of email to view.
                > >
                > > I've often hit the send button and instantly get one of those what
                > > have I done moments and someone picks up the error before the
                > > retraction is typed.
                > > 73 ... Sid.
                > >
                > > On 22/01/13 03:18, warrenallgyer wrote:
                > >
                > > Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the "needing broadcast or
                > > professional quality" part in my hurry to scramble onto my
                > > soapbox...... will try to read it better next time.
                > >
                > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
                > >
                > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Hi Warren,
                > > > Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions tried to
                > > say the same.
                > > > I think many of the guys using expensive audio gadgets typically
                > > > overdrive without regard to splattering and get quite offended
                > > when told
                > > > they are splattering.
                > > >
                > > > I have heard them tell guys to get a decent receiver even when
                > > they have
                > > > the same rigs.
                > > >
                > > > I won't pay >£5.00 UK for a Mic.
                > > > 73 ... Sid.
                > > >
                > > > On 21/01/13 16:29, warrenallgyer wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth
                > > of a
                > > > > SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality
                > > > > professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5 KHz, add in the
                > > > > background noise in a normal ham shack, and your several hundred
                > > > > dollar microphone will sound no better than most of the Skype
                > > > > compatible mics you buy at Walmart.
                > > > >
                > > > > Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more likely the result
                > > of overly
                > > > > aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into adjacent QSOs is
                > > almost
                > > > > always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is not caused by
                > > the
                > > > > microphone.
                > > > >
                > > > > A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set according to the
                > > two tone
                > > > > test level described in the ARRL Handbook will give some of
                > > the best
                > > > > sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most amateur SSB is
                > > > > generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is generated using
                > > old
                > > > > fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s superior audio
                > > quality.
                > > > >
                > > > > Again....due to the extremely limited frequency response any
                > > > > reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning quality SSB .
                > > I like a
                > > > > USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker, mic, and an
                > > audio card
                > > > > all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.
                > > > >
                > > > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
                > > > >
                > > > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                > >
                > > > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
                > > > > > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with
                > > even the
                > > > > > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
                > > > > > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
                > > > > > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
                > > > > > 73 ... Sid.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > --
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >
                >
                > --
                > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                >
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