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  • Sid Boyce
    ... This topic came up a few days ago. We are needing broadcast or production audio quality. Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even
    Message 1 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
      On 21/01/13 13:16, wa1vta01452 wrote:
       

      I am using an V6.3 RXTX and wondering what type of microphone people are using and what type is most effective. I know my Icom IC746PRO mike does not work probably since it requires voltage from the radio. I am connecting to a Delta44 sound card.

      This topic came up a few days ago.

      We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
      Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the best DDC/DUC SDR radios.

      Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
      73 ... Sid.
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    • Bruce Tanner
      I have been using a small, used, lapel, electret mic on my V6.3 RX/TX. It has worked very well with good reports for audio and plenty of punch . It uses a AA
      Message 2 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
        I have been using a small, used, lapel, electret mic on my V6.3 RX/TX. It has worked very well with good reports for audio and plenty of 'punch'.
        It uses a 'AA battery' which is placed in a tube inline with the mic. It has a cord of about 20 feet so I can waltz around the shack while I am talking! ;)
        Bruce, K2BET


        On 1/21/2013 8:53 AM, Sid Boyce wrote:
         

        On 21/01/13 13:16, wa1vta01452 wrote:
         

        I am using an V6.3 RXTX and wondering what type of microphone people are using and what type is most effective. I know my Icom IC746PRO mike does not work probably since it requires voltage from the radio. I am connecting to a Delta44 sound card.

        This topic came up a few days ago.

        We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
        Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the best DDC/DUC SDR radios.

        Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
        73 ... Sid.
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      • wa1vta01452
        Thanks Sid...I ll try an inexpensive PC mike. High fidelity is not really a good thing for communications. Tom
        Message 3 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
          Thanks Sid...I'll try an inexpensive PC mike. High fidelity is not really a good thing for communications.

          Tom

          --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:
          >
          > On 21/01/13 13:16, wa1vta01452 wrote:
          > >
          > > I am using an V6.3 RXTX and wondering what type of microphone people
          > > are using and what type is most effective. I know my Icom IC746PRO
          > > mike does not work probably since it requires voltage from the radio.
          > > I am connecting to a Delta44 sound card.
          > >
          > >
          > This topic came up a few days ago.
          >
          > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
          > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the
          > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
          >
          > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
          > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
          > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
          > 73 ... Sid.
          >
          > --
          > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
          > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
          > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
          > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
          >
        • warrenallgyer
          I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth of a SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality professional microphone and
          Message 4 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
            I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth of a SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5 KHz, add in the background noise in a normal ham shack, and your several hundred dollar microphone will sound no better than most of the Skype compatible mics you buy at Walmart.

            Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more likely the result of overly aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into adjacent QSOs is almost always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is not caused by the microphone.

            A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set according to the two tone test level described in the ARRL Handbook will give some of the best sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most amateur SSB is generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is generated using old fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s superior audio quality.

            Again....due to the extremely limited frequency response any reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning quality SSB . I like a USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker, mic, and an audio card all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.

            Warren Allgyer - W8TOD

            --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:

            >
            > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
            > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the
            > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
            >
            > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
            > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
            > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
            > 73 ... Sid.
            >
            > --
          • Chris
            One can t blame processing for lousy audio. One can only blame lousy processing for lousy audio. Just as people splatter the band up and down with their 1.8
            Message 5 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
              One can't blame processing for lousy audio.  One can only blame lousy processing for lousy audio.

              Just as people splatter the band up and down with their 1.8 filters and a hand mic by overdriving their rigs, so too can people using processing.  It's a simple matter of understanding how to operate the rig.  I've heard guys splattering all over the band with a 1.8 filter just as often.

              Many hams have no idea how to set basic mic gain and ALC level accordingly and that's with a stock radio and mic.  So go figure that many of them will add processing into the mess.  It is a whole added layer to understand.

              There is a limited spectrum to work with for SSB audio due to the rigs' filters, but there is no question that skilled application of processing can make a huge difference in the quality within that range of spectrum.  "Necessary?"  No, but can you vastly improve your audio quality? Yes.  Is cleaner audio more effective audio?  Yes.  Does everyone running processing get that right?  No. 

              Also, what so many 'believe' to be splattering from wide signals is often not understanding that their own rig is overloading due to a strong adjacent signal.  I sit with my SDR receiver and watch the signals, then I listen to people making ridiculous accusations about who is wide and guessing who is interfering with who.  Most of the time they are completely wrong...I can see the signals telling the story in plain sight.

              Hell, half the complaints are bitching at the guy in the wrong direction up or down the band.  It's amusing at times.


              On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:29 AM, warrenallgyer <allgyer@...> wrote:
               

              I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth of a SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5 KHz, add in the background noise in a normal ham shack, and your several hundred dollar microphone will sound no better than most of the Skype compatible mics you buy at Walmart.

              Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more likely the result of overly aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into adjacent QSOs is almost always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is not caused by the microphone.

              A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set according to the two tone test level described in the ARRL Handbook will give some of the best sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most amateur SSB is generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is generated using old fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s superior audio quality.

              Again....due to the extremely limited frequency response any reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning quality SSB . I like a USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker, mic, and an audio card all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.

              Warren Allgyer - W8TOD



              --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:

              >
              > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
              > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the
              > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
              >
              > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
              > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
              > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
              > 73 ... Sid.
              >
              > --




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            • warrenallgyer
              It is semantics but overdriving a microphone gives distorted audio but does not create splatter. Splatter is created when the modulated signal level drives
              Message 6 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
                It is semantics but overdriving a microphone gives distorted audio but does not create splatter. Splatter is created when the modulated signal level drives one or more of the RF stages into non-linearity.. If the microphone is overdriven at the same time you can will have distortion AND splatter. If the microphone is set properly but the drive level is set too high then you will have a clean sounding SSB signal but it will splatter.

                The standard Softrocks receivers seem to go into overload on signals higher than about - 35 dBm or about S9+40 dB if you have properly calibrated your S meter. Signals at levels above this may indeed look like the are splattering but that splatter is more likely caused by overload to your receiver.

                W8TOD - Warren Allgyer

                ---
                >
                > Just as people splatter the band up and down with their 1.8 filters and a
                > hand mic by overdriving their rigs, so too can people using processing.
                > It's a simple matter of understanding how to operate the rig. I've heard
                > guys splattering all over the band with a 1.8 filter just as often.
                >
                >
              • Sid Boyce
                Hi Bruce, If the storms hit again, you ve almost got a 1/4 wave substitute there for 40m operation - through an antenna tuner, call CQ DX and you ll get a
                Message 7 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
                  Hi Bruce,
                  If the storms hit again, you've almost got a 1/4 wave substitute there for 40m operation - through an antenna tuner, call CQ DX and you'll get a pileup going.
                  73 ... Sid.

                  On 21/01/13 15:55, Bruce Tanner wrote:
                   

                  I have been using a small, used, lapel, electret mic on my V6.3 RX/TX. It has worked very well with good reports for audio and plenty of 'punch'.
                  It uses a 'AA battery' which is placed in a tube inline with the mic. It has a cord of about 20 feet so I can waltz around the shack while I am talking! ;)
                  Bruce, K2BET


                  On 1/21/2013 8:53 AM, Sid Boyce wrote:
                   

                  On 21/01/13 13:16, wa1vta01452 wrote:
                   

                  I am using an V6.3 RXTX and wondering what type of microphone people are using and what type is most effective. I know my Icom IC746PRO mike does not work probably since it requires voltage from the radio. I am connecting to a Delta44 sound card.

                  This topic came up a few days ago.

                  We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
                  Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the best DDC/DUC SDR radios.

                  Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
                  73 ... Sid.
                  -- 
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                  Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                  Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                  Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                  


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                  Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                  Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                  Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                  
                • Sid Boyce
                  Hi Warren, Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions tried to say the same. I think many of the guys using expensive audio gadgets typically
                  Message 8 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
                    Hi Warren,
                    Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions tried to say the same.
                    I think many of the guys using expensive audio gadgets typically overdrive without regard to splattering and get quite offended when told they are splattering.

                    I have heard them tell guys to get a decent receiver even when they have the same rigs.

                    I won't pay >£5.00 UK for a Mic.
                    73 ... Sid.

                    On 21/01/13 16:29, warrenallgyer wrote:
                     

                    I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth of a SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5 KHz, add in the background noise in a normal ham shack, and your several hundred dollar microphone will sound no better than most of the Skype compatible mics you buy at Walmart.

                    Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more likely the result of overly aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into adjacent QSOs is almost always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is not caused by the microphone.

                    A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set according to the two tone test level described in the ARRL Handbook will give some of the best sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most amateur SSB is generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is generated using old fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s superior audio quality.

                    Again....due to the extremely limited frequency response any reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning quality SSB . I like a USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker, mic, and an audio card all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.

                    Warren Allgyer - W8TOD

                    --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:

                    >
                    > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
                    > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the
                    > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
                    >
                    > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
                    > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
                    > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
                    > 73 ... Sid.
                    >
                    > --



                    -- 
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                    Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                    Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                    Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                    
                  • Bruce Tanner
                    ... occasional RF feedback in the shack! ;) I ll keep listening... during a former Sweepsteaks I had it on the air and worked 18 sections on SSB without
                    Message 9 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
                      :-) ! Hi, Sid... hmmmm... never thought of that... maybe it explains the occasional RF feedback in the shack! ;)

                      I'll keep listening... during a former 'Sweepsteaks' I had it on the air and worked 18 sections on SSB without really trying and I was only operating for a couple of hours. Those little Softrocks are quite a wonder!

                      Bruce


                      On 1/21/2013 12:21 PM, Sid Boyce wrote:
                       

                      Hi Bruce,
                      If the storms hit again, you've almost got a 1/4 wave substitute there for 40m operation - through an antenna tuner, call CQ DX and you'll get a pileup going.
                      73 ... Sid.

                      On 21/01/13 15:55, Bruce Tanner wrote:
                       

                      I have been using a small, used, lapel, electret mic on my V6.3 RX/TX. It has worked very well with good reports for audio and plenty of 'punch'.
                      It uses a 'AA battery' which is placed in a tube inline with the mic. It has a cord of about 20 feet so I can waltz around the shack while I am talking! ;)
                      Bruce, K2BET


                      On 1/21/2013 8:53 AM, Sid Boyce wrote:
                       

                      On 21/01/13 13:16, wa1vta01452 wrote:
                       

                      I am using an V6.3 RXTX and wondering what type of microphone people are using and what type is most effective. I know my Icom IC746PRO mike does not work probably since it requires voltage from the radio. I am connecting to a Delta44 sound card.

                      This topic came up a few days ago.

                      We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
                      Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the best DDC/DUC SDR radios.

                      Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
                      73 ... Sid.
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                      Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                      Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                      Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                      


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                    • Sid Boyce
                      Definitely fun stuff ever since I discovered the Softrock v6.3. Relatively simple gear that performs exceeding well. When I look at the Softrocks and some of
                      Message 10 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
                        Definitely fun stuff ever since I discovered the Softrock v6.3.
                        Relatively simple gear that performs exceeding well.
                        When I look at the Softrocks and some of the rigs I built over the years, those analogue rigs look like a climb of Mount Everest - never to be attempted again.

                        Some ferrite around that lead should calm it down.
                        73 ... Sid.

                        On 21/01/13 19:42, Bruce Tanner wrote:
                         

                        :-) ! Hi, Sid... hmmmm... never thought of that... maybe it explains the occasional RF feedback in the shack! ;)

                        I'll keep listening... during a former 'Sweepsteaks' I had it on the air and worked 18 sections on SSB without really trying and I was only operating for a couple of hours. Those little Softrocks are quite a wonder!

                        Bruce


                        On 1/21/2013 12:21 PM, Sid Boyce wrote:
                         

                        Hi Bruce,
                        If the storms hit again, you've almost got a 1/4 wave substitute there for 40m operation - through an antenna tuner, call CQ DX and you'll get a pileup going.
                        73 ... Sid.

                        On 21/01/13 15:55, Bruce Tanner wrote:
                         

                        I have been using a small, used, lapel, electret mic on my V6.3 RX/TX. It has worked very well with good reports for audio and plenty of 'punch'.
                        It uses a 'AA battery' which is placed in a tube inline with the mic. It has a cord of about 20 feet so I can waltz around the shack while I am talking! ;)
                        Bruce, K2BET


                        On 1/21/2013 8:53 AM, Sid Boyce wrote:
                         

                        On 21/01/13 13:16, wa1vta01452 wrote:
                         

                        I am using an V6.3 RXTX and wondering what type of microphone people are using and what type is most effective. I know my Icom IC746PRO mike does not work probably since it requires voltage from the radio. I am connecting to a Delta44 sound card.

                        This topic came up a few days ago.

                        We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
                        Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the best DDC/DUC SDR radios.

                        Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
                        73 ... Sid.
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                        Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                        Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                        


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                        Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                        
                    • warrenallgyer
                      Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the needing broadcast or professional quality part in my hurry to scramble onto my soapbox...... will try to read it better
                      Message 11 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
                        Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the "needing broadcast or professional quality" part in my hurry to scramble onto my soapbox...... will try to read it better next time.

                        Warren Allgyer - W8TOD

                        --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:
                        >
                        > Hi Warren,
                        > Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions tried to say the same.
                        > I think many of the guys using expensive audio gadgets typically
                        > overdrive without regard to splattering and get quite offended when told
                        > they are splattering.
                        >
                        > I have heard them tell guys to get a decent receiver even when they have
                        > the same rigs.
                        >
                        > I won't pay >£5.00 UK for a Mic.
                        > 73 ... Sid.
                        >
                        > On 21/01/13 16:29, warrenallgyer wrote:
                        > >
                        > > I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth of a
                        > > SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality
                        > > professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5 KHz, add in the
                        > > background noise in a normal ham shack, and your several hundred
                        > > dollar microphone will sound no better than most of the Skype
                        > > compatible mics you buy at Walmart.
                        > >
                        > > Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more likely the result of overly
                        > > aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into adjacent QSOs is almost
                        > > always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is not caused by the
                        > > microphone.
                        > >
                        > > A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set according to the two tone
                        > > test level described in the ARRL Handbook will give some of the best
                        > > sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most amateur SSB is
                        > > generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is generated using old
                        > > fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s superior audio quality.
                        > >
                        > > Again....due to the extremely limited frequency response any
                        > > reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning quality SSB . I like a
                        > > USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker, mic, and an audio card
                        > > all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.
                        > >
                        > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
                        > >
                        > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                        > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > > > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
                        > > > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the
                        > > > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
                        > > >
                        > > > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
                        > > > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
                        > > > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
                        > > > 73 ... Sid.
                        > > >
                        > > > --
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
                        >
                        > --
                        > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                        > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                        > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                        > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                        >
                      • Sid Boyce
                        No worries Warren, That happens to us all from time to time, especially when we have loads of email to view. I ve often hit the send button and instantly get
                        Message 12 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
                          No worries Warren,
                          That happens to us all from time to time, especially when we have loads of email to view.

                          I've often hit the send button and instantly get one of those what have I done moments and someone picks up the error before the retraction is typed.
                          73 ... Sid.

                          On 22/01/13 03:18, warrenallgyer wrote:
                           

                          Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the "needing broadcast or professional quality" part in my hurry to scramble onto my soapbox...... will try to read it better next time.

                          Warren Allgyer - W8TOD

                          --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:
                          >
                          > Hi Warren,
                          > Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions tried to say the same.
                          > I think many of the guys using expensive audio gadgets typically
                          > overdrive without regard to splattering and get quite offended when told
                          > they are splattering.
                          >
                          > I have heard them tell guys to get a decent receiver even when they have
                          > the same rigs.
                          >
                          > I won't pay >£5.00 UK for a Mic.
                          > 73 ... Sid.
                          >
                          > On 21/01/13 16:29, warrenallgyer wrote:
                          > >
                          > > I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth of a
                          > > SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality
                          > > professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5 KHz, add in the
                          > > background noise in a normal ham shack, and your several hundred
                          > > dollar microphone will sound no better than most of the Skype
                          > > compatible mics you buy at Walmart.
                          > >
                          > > Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more likely the result of overly
                          > > aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into adjacent QSOs is almost
                          > > always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is not caused by the
                          > > microphone.
                          > >
                          > > A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set according to the two tone
                          > > test level described in the ARRL Handbook will give some of the best
                          > > sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most amateur SSB is
                          > > generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is generated using old
                          > > fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s superior audio quality.
                          > >
                          > > Again....due to the extremely limited frequency response any
                          > > reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning quality SSB . I like a
                          > > USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker, mic, and an audio card
                          > > all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.
                          > >
                          > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
                          > >
                          > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                          > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
                          > >
                          > > >
                          > > > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
                          > > > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the
                          > > > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
                          > > >
                          > > > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
                          > > > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
                          > > > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
                          > > > 73 ... Sid.
                          > > >
                          > > > --
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                          >
                          >



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                          Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                          Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
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                        • MIKE DURKIN
                          you know .. its interesting to SHOW some one who is so wide and over modulated to the point of poor side band rejection with SDR ..... Iv head some wonderful
                          Message 13 of 17 , Jan 21, 2013
                            you know .. its interesting to SHOW some one who is so wide and over modulated to the point of poor side band rejection with SDR .....
                            Iv head some wonderful sounding rigs on 40M (around 7.12) and then see 1/3 their power on the wrong side band ....


                            To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                            From: sboyce@...
                            Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:35:45 +0000
                            Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Microphones

                             

                            No worries Warren,
                            That happens to us all from time to time, especially when we have loads of email to view.

                            I've often hit the send button and instantly get one of those what have I done moments and someone picks up the error before the retraction is typed.
                            73 ... Sid.

                            On 22/01/13 03:18, warrenallgyer wrote:
                             
                            Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the "needing broadcast or professional quality" part in my hurry to scramble onto my soapbox...... will try to read it better next time.

                            Warren Allgyer - W8TOD

                            --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:
                            >
                            > Hi Warren,
                            > Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions tried to say the same.
                            > I think many of the guys using expensive audio gadgets typically
                            > overdrive without regard to splattering and get quite offended when told
                            > they are splattering.
                            >
                            > I have heard them tell guys to get a decent receiver even when they have
                            > the same rigs.
                            >
                            > I won't pay >£5.00 UK for a Mic.
                            > 73 ... Sid.
                            >
                            > On 21/01/13 16:29, warrenallgyer wrote:
                            > >
                            > > I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth of a
                            > > SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality
                            > > professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5 KHz, add in the
                            > > background noise in a normal ham shack, and your several hundred
                            > > dollar microphone will sound no better than most of the Skype
                            > > compatible mics you buy at Walmart.
                            > >
                            > > Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more likely the result of overly
                            > > aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into adjacent QSOs is almost
                            > > always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is not caused by the
                            > > microphone.
                            > >
                            > > A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set according to the two tone
                            > > test level described in the ARRL Handbook will give some of the best
                            > > sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most amateur SSB is
                            > > generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is generated using old
                            > > fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s superior audio quality.
                            > >
                            > > Again....due to the extremely limited frequency response any
                            > > reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning quality SSB . I like a
                            > > USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker, mic, and an audio card
                            > > all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.
                            > >
                            > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
                            > >
                            > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                            > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > > > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
                            > > > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the
                            > > > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
                            > > >
                            > > > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
                            > > > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
                            > > > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
                            > > > 73 ... Sid.
                            > > >
                            > > > --
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                            >
                            >



                            -- 
                            Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                            Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                            Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                            Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                            

                          • warrenallgyer
                            Agreed! More than once I have snapped off a screenshot and emailed it to the email address I found on QRZ.com. Most guys are very appreciative of the input.
                            Message 14 of 17 , Jan 22, 2013
                              Agreed! More than once I have snapped off a screenshot and emailed it to the email address I found on QRZ.com. Most guys are very appreciative of the input.

                              Warren Allgyer - W8TOD

                              --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, MIKE DURKIN wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              > you know .. its interesting to SHOW some one who is so wide and over modulated to the point of poor side band rejection with SDR .....
                              > Iv head some wonderful sounding rigs on 40M (around 7.12) and then see 1/3 their power on the wrong side band ....
                              >
                              > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                              > From: sboyce@...
                              > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:35:45 +0000
                              > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Microphones
                              >
                              >
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                              > No worries Warren,
                              >
                              > That happens to us all from time to time, especially when we have
                              > loads of email to view.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > I've often hit the send button and instantly get one of those what
                              > have I done moments and someone picks up the error before the
                              > retraction is typed.
                              >
                              > 73 ... Sid.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > On 22/01/13 03:18, warrenallgyer wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the "needing broadcast or
                              > professional quality" part in my hurry to scramble onto my
                              > soapbox...... will try to read it better next time.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com,
                              > Sid Boyce wrote:
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > Hi Warren,
                              >
                              > > Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions
                              > tried to say the same.
                              >
                              > > I think many of the guys using expensive audio
                              > gadgets typically
                              >
                              > > overdrive without regard to splattering and get quite
                              > offended when told
                              >
                              > > they are splattering.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > I have heard them tell guys to get a decent receiver
                              > even when they have
                              >
                              > > the same rigs.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > I won't pay >£5.00 UK for a Mic.
                              >
                              > > 73 ... Sid.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > On 21/01/13 16:29, warrenallgyer wrote:
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > > > I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The
                              > audio bandwidth of a
                              >
                              > > > SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking
                              > a high quality
                              >
                              > > > professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5
                              > KHz, add in the
                              >
                              > > > background noise in a normal ham shack, and your
                              > several hundred
                              >
                              > > > dollar microphone will sound no better than most
                              > of the Skype
                              >
                              > > > compatible mics you buy at Walmart.
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > > > Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more
                              > likely the result of overly
                              >
                              > > > aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into
                              > adjacent QSOs is almost
                              >
                              > > > always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is
                              > not caused by the
                              >
                              > > > microphone.
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > > > A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set
                              > according to the two tone
                              >
                              > > > test level described in the ARRL Handbook will
                              > give some of the best
                              >
                              > > > sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most
                              > amateur SSB is
                              >
                              > > > generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is
                              > generated using old
                              >
                              > > > fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s
                              > superior audio quality.
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > > > Again....due to the extremely limited frequency
                              > response any
                              >
                              > > > reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning
                              > quality SSB . I like a
                              >
                              > > > USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker,
                              > mic, and an audio card
                              >
                              > > > all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                              >
                              >
                              > > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > > > > We are needing broadcast or production
                              > audio quality.
                              >
                              > > > > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound
                              > card works with even the
                              >
                              > > > > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > > > > Many of the stations I hear on the air
                              > using sound mixers and
                              >
                              > > > > compressors either sound quite muffled or
                              > splatter over adjacent
                              >
                              > > > > transmissions but they get reports of great
                              > sounding audio.
                              >
                              > > > > 73 ... Sid.
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > > > > --
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > >
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                              > --
                              > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                              > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                              > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                              > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                              >
                            • Sid Boyce
                              When others tell them great audio and someone else tells them they re splattering they get highly offended. Last week a European station calling a Stateside
                              Message 15 of 17 , Jan 22, 2013
                                When others tell them great audio and someone else tells them they're splattering they get highly offended.
                                Last week a European station calling a Stateside station was told by the guy to back off processing. He turned it off and sounded better, next he asked him to reduce power - perfect signal.
                                73 ... Sid.

                                On 22/01/13 03:59, MIKE DURKIN wrote:
                                 

                                you know .. its interesting to SHOW some one who is so wide and over modulated to the point of poor side band rejection with SDR .....
                                Iv head some wonderful sounding rigs on 40M (around 7.12) and then see 1/3 their power on the wrong side band ....


                                To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                From: sboyce@...
                                Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:35:45 +0000
                                Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Microphones

                                 

                                No worries Warren,
                                That happens to us all from time to time, especially when we have loads of email to view.

                                I've often hit the send button and instantly get one of those what have I done moments and someone picks up the error before the retraction is typed.
                                73 ... Sid.

                                On 22/01/13 03:18, warrenallgyer wrote:
                                 
                                Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the "needing broadcast or professional quality" part in my hurry to scramble onto my soapbox...... will try to read it better next time.

                                Warren Allgyer - W8TOD

                                --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:
                                >
                                > Hi Warren,
                                > Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions tried to say the same.
                                > I think many of the guys using expensive audio gadgets typically
                                > overdrive without regard to splattering and get quite offended when told
                                > they are splattering.
                                >
                                > I have heard them tell guys to get a decent receiver even when they have
                                > the same rigs.
                                >
                                > I won't pay >£5.00 UK for a Mic.
                                > 73 ... Sid.
                                >
                                > On 21/01/13 16:29, warrenallgyer wrote:
                                > >
                                > > I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth of a
                                > > SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality
                                > > professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5 KHz, add in the
                                > > background noise in a normal ham shack, and your several hundred
                                > > dollar microphone will sound no better than most of the Skype
                                > > compatible mics you buy at Walmart.
                                > >
                                > > Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more likely the result of overly
                                > > aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into adjacent QSOs is almost
                                > > always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is not caused by the
                                > > microphone.
                                > >
                                > > A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set according to the two tone
                                > > test level described in the ARRL Handbook will give some of the best
                                > > sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most amateur SSB is
                                > > generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is generated using old
                                > > fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s superior audio quality.
                                > >
                                > > Again....due to the extremely limited frequency response any
                                > > reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning quality SSB . I like a
                                > > USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker, mic, and an audio card
                                > > all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.
                                > >
                                > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
                                > >
                                > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > > > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
                                > > > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with even the
                                > > > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
                                > > >
                                > > > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
                                > > > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
                                > > > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
                                > > > 73 ... Sid.
                                > > >
                                > > > --
                                > >
                                > >
                                >
                                >
                                >






                                -- 
                                Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                                Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                                Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                                Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                                
                              • warrenallgyer
                                Yes and what many people do not realize is that great audio and splattering can happen at the same time.... and often do. When the op runs up the
                                Message 16 of 17 , Jan 22, 2013
                                  Yes and what many people do not realize is that "great audio" and "splattering" can happen at the same time.... and often do. When the op runs up the compression he can get a very "punchy" signal inside the SSB passband that sounds great...... but tune up or down 2 KHz and you still hear him!

                                  --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce wrote:
                                  >
                                  > When others tell them great audio and someone else tells them they're
                                  > splattering they get highly offended.
                                  > Last week a European station calling a Stateside station was told by the
                                  > guy to back off processing. He turned it off and sounded better, next he
                                  > asked him to reduce power - perfect signal.
                                  > 73 ... Sid.
                                  >
                                  > On 22/01/13 03:59, MIKE DURKIN wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > you know .. its interesting to SHOW some one who is so wide and over
                                  > > modulated to the point of poor side band rejection with SDR .....
                                  > > Iv head some wonderful sounding rigs on 40M (around 7.12) and then see
                                  > > 1/3 their power on the wrong side band ....
                                  > >
                                  > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > From: sboyce@...
                                  > > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:35:45 +0000
                                  > > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Microphones
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > No worries Warren,
                                  > > That happens to us all from time to time, especially when we have
                                  > > loads of email to view.
                                  > >
                                  > > I've often hit the send button and instantly get one of those what
                                  > > have I done moments and someone picks up the error before the
                                  > > retraction is typed.
                                  > > 73 ... Sid.
                                  > >
                                  > > On 22/01/13 03:18, warrenallgyer wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Sorry Sid.... I misinterpreted the "needing broadcast or
                                  > > professional quality" part in my hurry to scramble onto my
                                  > > soapbox...... will try to read it better next time.
                                  > >
                                  > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Hi Warren,
                                  > > > Nothing to disagree with, my abbreviated conclusions tried to
                                  > > say the same.
                                  > > > I think many of the guys using expensive audio gadgets typically
                                  > > > overdrive without regard to splattering and get quite offended
                                  > > when told
                                  > > > they are splattering.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I have heard them tell guys to get a decent receiver even when
                                  > > they have
                                  > > > the same rigs.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I won't pay >£5.00 UK for a Mic.
                                  > > > 73 ... Sid.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > On 21/01/13 16:29, warrenallgyer wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I am going to disagree a bit with you Sid. The audio bandwidth
                                  > > of a
                                  > > > > SSB signal is normally less than 3500 Hz. Taking a high quality
                                  > > > > professional microphone and limiting it to 3.5 KHz, add in the
                                  > > > > background noise in a normal ham shack, and your several hundred
                                  > > > > dollar microphone will sound no better than most of the Skype
                                  > > > > compatible mics you buy at Walmart.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Muffled sound may be a bad mic but is more likely the result
                                  > > of overly
                                  > > > > aggressive EQ and compression. Splatter into adjacent QSOs is
                                  > > almost
                                  > > > > always the result of overdriving the RXTX and is not caused by
                                  > > the
                                  > > > > microphone.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > A common USB PC mic, with drive levels set according to the
                                  > > two tone
                                  > > > > test level described in the ARRL Handbook will give some of
                                  > > the best
                                  > > > > sounding audio you will hear on the bands. Most amateur SSB is
                                  > > > > generated using filters.. The Softrocks SSB is generated using
                                  > > old
                                  > > > > fashioned "phasing" which was known for its"s superior audio
                                  > > quality.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Again....due to the extremely limited frequency response any
                                  > > > > reasonable quality PC mic can give you stunning quality SSB .
                                  > > I like a
                                  > > > > USB headset with a boom mic attached. Speaker, mic, and an
                                  > > audio card
                                  > > > > all for 20 bucks and it sounds magnificent.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Warren Allgyer - W8TOD
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                  > >
                                  > > > > , Sid Boyce wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > We are needing broadcast or production audio quality.
                                  > > > > > Any eletret (PC) Mic connected to the sound card works with
                                  > > even the
                                  > > > > > best DDC/DUC SDR radios.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Many of the stations I hear on the air using sound mixers and
                                  > > > > > compressors either sound quite muffled or splatter over adjacent
                                  > > > > > transmissions but they get reports of great sounding audio.
                                  > > > > > 73 ... Sid.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > --
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > --
                                  > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                                  > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                                  > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                                  > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                                  >
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