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  • lh1907
    The SDR Cube at http://www.sdr-cube.com/ interfaces to Ensemble RXTX and is self-contained (no PC used). Larry, W2HHV
    Message 1 of 24 , Dec 14, 2012
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      The SDR Cube at http://www.sdr-cube.com/ interfaces to Ensemble RXTX
      and is self-contained (no PC used).
      Larry, W2HHV

      --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce <sboyce@...> wrote:
      >
      > The Mobo mates with the SR63ng from yoyodyneconsulting.ca or with the no
      > longer available SR v6.3 modified with footer sockets replacing some of
      > the header pins so it fits in the SR v6.3 like it does with the SR63ng.
      >
      > It also ouputs 5W.
      >
      > With that approach you need a PC, laptop or netbook and a second (USB
      > preferred) sound card.
      >
      > The SDR2GO ("Look Ma No PC" as printed on the board) + Ensemble RXTX
      > (1W) could be self contained but covers only 3 selected bands, e.g
      > 80/40/30, 40/30/20, etc. It's the least painful route.
      >
      > I think that fills in all the blank spaces Alan.
      > 73 ... Sid.
      >
      > On 13/12/12 21:10, The Silver Fox wrote:
      > >
      > > The Mobo kit supports eight computer controlled filters that you can
      > > construct to your specifications or a fixed set of filters. It also
      > > has control of the Si570, pinout to control other boards (I/O board),
      > > power and swr measurement (POWSR), temperature reports, support for
      > > rotary encoder, display, additional amplification, a control program
      > > that allows you to set many values on the board and peripherals.
      > >
      > > (I probably missed something...)
      > >
      > > 73,
      > >
      > > Alan -- W6ARH
      > >
      > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
      > >
      > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
      > >
      > > *From:*softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com]
      > > *On Behalf Of *kb7anl
      > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
      > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com
      > > *Subject:* [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX
      > > Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
      > >
      > > Alan
      > > I know I'm joining a deep knowledge base so I have to catch up. So I
      > > will continue to ask question to catch up.
      > > If I understand your response Mobokit does not have the ability for
      > > Multi-band use? What does MOBOKIT do?
      > > Then Mobo has only a multi-band feature? IT has no other features?
      > >
      > > Will Sdr2GO bring multi-band into play and all digital modes capabilities?
      > >
      > > Do you see what I'm up against. (other than personal knowledge, Be kind)
      > > I know I'm asking a lot in this idea of multi-band/multi-mode home
      > > built Amateur Radio.
      > > But really everything is here to complete this idea. just need to plow
      > > out the information and piece it together.
      > >
      > > I'm impressed with the softrock field of influence in the Ham Radio
      > > World.
      > >
      > > Thanks so much for your response
      > > Dean
      > > KB7ANL
      > > Twin Falls, Idaho
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
      > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, "The Silver Fox"
      > > <alan.r.hill@ <mailto:alan.r.hill@>> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > The mobo does not plug directly into the Mobokit but it can be cabled to
      > > > make them mate. For portable operations, I believe the SDR2GO is the
      > > best
      > > > approach for you.
      > > >
      > > > 73,
      > > >
      > > > Alan - W6ARH
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
      > > >
      > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
      > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com
      > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>] On
      > > > Behalf Of kb7anl
      > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:40 AM
      > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > > Subject: [softrock40] I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
      > > > Transceiver Kit"
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit" Today
      > > > I thought this would be the place to ask these questions.
      > > > How do i find the version of this current order?
      > > > Will this version be compatible with the mobo to build this
      > > transceiver in
      > > > to a multiband unit?
      > > > Is it wise to turn this into multiband transceiver? Does it have
      > > Issues and
      > > > not a good idea?
      > > > This history of Transceivers with softrock seem to avoid doing
      > > multiband. My
      > > > logic ask why avoid this design.
      > > > Now the rest of my questions are about other add on to this design.
      > > > I came across SDR2GO which was using the "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
      > > Transceiver
      > > > Kit" where they have added a digital menu display and band displays. Any
      > > > body want to tell me more how compatible these are this the softrock
      > > units.
      > > >
      > > > My goal is to build a very light weight portable backpack all mode
      > > Digital
      > > > transceiver capable to work available bands when in the wilderness.
      > > I have
      > > > done some 50 mile hikes in the wilderness and thought I would get
      > > one more
      > > > Hike of this type in before I get to old.
      > > > Why all band... Who know what band is open when in the wilderness.
      > > > Why all digital.... Same logic.
      > > > Lightweight because of limited weight for a 7 day or 10 day hike.
      > > >
      > > > We can take this discussion off the group postings and go direct.
      > > >
      > > > I really didn't want to take a laptop so i can save room for food in my
      > > > backpack.
      > > >
      > > > Thanks for reading this hope you can help me with this goal.
      > > >
      > > > Dean KB7ANL Twin Falls, Idaho kb7anl@ <mailto:kb7anl%40yahoo.com>
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      > --
      > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
      > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
      > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
      > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
      >
    • John Greusel
      I just had an interesting thought about portable. The Apache-Labs/Hermes doesn t require IQ processing so you could use a modest CPU (in a very small form
      Message 2 of 24 , Dec 14, 2012
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        I just had an interesting thought about portable.
        The Apache-Labs/Hermes doesn't require IQ processing so you could use a modest CPU (in a very small form factor) as a portable unit.
        The two items would consume some power so you'd have to allow for that but otherwise is could be a small physical package with very high performance.
        Cost wise though we're back to KX3 territory. A three band Softrock with either a netbook (I've done that portable) or SDR2GO are the most economical.

        John
        KC9OJV

         



        From: lh1907 <llh5@...>
        To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 7:13 AM
        Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

         

        The SDR Cube at http://www.sdr-cube.com/ interfaces to Ensemble RXTX
        and is self-contained (no PC used).
        Larry, W2HHV

        --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce <sboyce@...> wrote:
        >
        > The Mobo mates with the SR63ng from yoyodyneconsulting.ca or with the no
        > longer available SR v6.3 modified with footer sockets replacing some of
        > the header pins so it fits in the SR v6.3 like it does with the SR63ng.
        >
        > It also ouputs 5W.
        >
        > With that approach you need a PC, laptop or netbook and a second (USB
        > preferred) sound card.
        >
        > The SDR2GO ("Look Ma No PC" as printed on the board) + Ensemble RXTX
        > (1W) could be self contained but covers only 3 selected bands, e.g
        > 80/40/30, 40/30/20, etc. It's the least painful route.
        >
        > I think that fills in all the blank spaces Alan.
        > 73 ... Sid.
        >
        > On 13/12/12 21:10, The Silver Fox wrote:
        > >
        > > The Mobo kit supports eight computer controlled filters that you can
        > > construct to your specifications or a fixed set of filters. It also
        > > has control of the Si570, pinout to control other boards (I/O board),
        > > power and swr measurement (POWSR), temperature reports, support for
        > > rotary encoder, display, additional amplification, a control program
        > > that allows you to set many values on the board and peripherals.
        > >
        > > (I probably missed something...)
        > >
        > > 73,
        > >
        > > Alan -- W6ARH
        > >
        > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
        > >
        > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
        > >
        > > *From:*softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com]
        > > *On Behalf Of *kb7anl
        > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
        > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com
        > > *Subject:* [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX
        > > Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
        > >
        > > Alan
        > > I know I'm joining a deep knowledge base so I have to catch up. So I
        > > will continue to ask question to catch up.
        > > If I understand your response Mobokit does not have the ability for
        > > Multi-band use? What does MOBOKIT do?
        > > Then Mobo has only a multi-band feature? IT has no other features?
        > >
        > > Will Sdr2GO bring multi-band into play and all digital modes capabilities?
        > >
        > > Do you see what I'm up against. (other than personal knowledge, Be kind)
        > > I know I'm asking a lot in this idea of multi-band/multi-mode home
        > > built Amateur Radio.
        > > But really everything is here to complete this idea. just need to plow
        > > out the information and piece it together.
        > >
        > > I'm impressed with the softrock field of influence in the Ham Radio
        > > World.
        > >
        > > Thanks so much for your response
        > > Dean
        > > KB7ANL
        > > Twin Falls, Idaho
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, "The Silver Fox"
        > > <alan.r.hill@ <mailto:alan.r.hill@>> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > The mobo does not plug directly into the Mobokit but it can be cabled to
        > > > make them mate. For portable operations, I believe the SDR2GO is the
        > > best
        > > > approach for you.
        > > >
        > > > 73,
        > > >
        > > > Alan - W6ARH
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
        > > >
        > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>] On
        > > > Behalf Of kb7anl
        > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:40 AM
        > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > Subject: [softrock40] I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
        > > > Transceiver Kit"
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit" Today
        > > > I thought this would be the place to ask these questions.
        > > > How do i find the version of this current order?
        > > > Will this version be compatible with the mobo to build this
        > > transceiver in
        > > > to a multiband unit?
        > > > Is it wise to turn this into multiband transceiver? Does it have
        > > Issues and
        > > > not a good idea?
        > > > This history of Transceivers with softrock seem to avoid doing
        > > multiband. My
        > > > logic ask why avoid this design.
        > > > Now the rest of my questions are about other add on to this design.
        > > > I came across SDR2GO which was using the "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
        > > Transceiver
        > > > Kit" where they have added a digital menu display and band displays. Any
        > > > body want to tell me more how compatible these are this the softrock
        > > units.
        > > >
        > > > My goal is to build a very light weight portable backpack all mode
        > > Digital
        > > > transceiver capable to work available bands when in the wilderness.
        > > I have
        > > > done some 50 mile hikes in the wilderness and thought I would get
        > > one more
        > > > Hike of this type in before I get to old.
        > > > Why all band... Who know what band is open when in the wilderness.
        > > > Why all digital.... Same logic.
        > > > Lightweight because of limited weight for a 7 day or 10 day hike.
        > > >
        > > > We can take this discussion off the group postings and go direct.
        > > >
        > > > I really didn't want to take a laptop so i can save room for food in my
        > > > backpack.
        > > >
        > > > Thanks for reading this hope you can help me with this goal.
        > > >
        > > > Dean KB7ANL Twin Falls, Idaho kb7anl@ <mailto:kb7anl%40yahoo.com>
        > > >
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
        > --
        > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
        > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
        > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
        > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
        >



      • gordon@gjcp.net
        ... The actual I/Q processing to demodulate SSB can be done on just about anything. It s the FIR filter that sucks CPU power. If you re running it on a PC,
        Message 3 of 24 , Dec 14, 2012
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          On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 06:52:45AM -0800, John Greusel wrote:
          > I just had an interesting thought about portable.
          > The Apache-Labs/Hermes doesn't require IQ processing so you could use a modest CPU (in a very small form factor) as a portable unit.

          The actual I/Q processing to demodulate SSB can be done on just about anything. It's the FIR filter that sucks CPU power. If you're running it on a PC, you need a minimum of a 233MHz processor to do the FIR and demodulation.

          --
          Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
        • MIKE DURKIN
          What s required for NFM? To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com From: gordon@gjcp.net Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:36:31 +0000 Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: I was about
          Message 4 of 24 , Dec 14, 2012
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            What's required for NFM?


            To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
            From: gordon@...
            Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:36:31 +0000
            Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

             
            On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 06:52:45AM -0800, John Greusel wrote:
            > I just had an interesting thought about portable.
            > The Apache-Labs/Hermes doesn't require IQ processing so you could use a modest CPU (in a very small form factor) as a portable unit.

            The actual I/Q processing to demodulate SSB can be done on just about anything. It's the FIR filter that sucks CPU power. If you're running it on a PC, you need a minimum of a 233MHz processor to do the FIR and demodulation.

            --
            Gordonjcp MM0YEQ


          • John Greusel
            Gordon, Is my overall thought correct that a Hermes class SDR isn t going to require heavy lifting? Sid has been experimenting with small cpus, linux and
            Message 5 of 24 , Dec 14, 2012
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              Gordon,

              Is my overall thought correct that a Hermes class SDR isn't going to require "heavy lifting?"
              Sid has been experimenting with small cpus, linux and DDC- Sid what's your experience?

              John
               



              From: "gordon@..." <gordon@...>
              To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:36 AM
              Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

               
              On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 06:52:45AM -0800, John Greusel wrote:
              > I just had an interesting thought about portable.
              > The Apache-Labs/Hermes doesn't require IQ processing so you could use a modest CPU (in a very small form factor) as a portable unit.

              The actual I/Q processing to demodulate SSB can be done on just about anything. It's the FIR filter that sucks CPU power. If you're running it on a PC, you need a minimum of a 233MHz processor to do the FIR and demodulation.

              --
              Gordonjcp MM0YEQ



            • John
              I agree, Apache-Labs/Hermes looks very interesting. Anyone here tried one? John G3UGY From: John Greusel Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 2:52 PM To:
              Message 6 of 24 , Dec 14, 2012
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                I agree, Apache-Labs/Hermes looks very interesting.   Anyone here tried one?
                 
                John G3UGY
                 
                 
                 
                 

                Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 2:52 PM
                Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                 

                I just had an interesting thought about portable.
                The Apache-Labs/Hermes doesn't require IQ processing so you could use a modest CPU (in a very small form factor) as a portable unit.
                The two items would consume some power so you'd have to allow for that but otherwise is could be a small physical package with very high performance.
                Cost wise though we're back to KX3 territory. A three band Softrock with either a netbook (I've done that portable) or SDR2GO are the most economical.

                John
                KC9OJV
              • kb7anl
                Sid/Alan This really is helping me. I m using your information and talking to each one of them to verify all the information and the mergability or
                Message 7 of 24 , Dec 14, 2012
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                  Sid/Alan
                  This really is helping me. I'm using your information and talking to each one of them to verify all the information and the "mergability" or "merge-ability" is that a word?.... Oh well the ability of each unit to merge and work together with success. Learning the limitations of each may refine the goal.
                  Like a few have mentioned buy the elecraft KX3 and get your battery and antenna and go.

                  So many DIY groups need some attention and this journey may spearhead some others to join in.
                  Thanks again for your suggestions. Lets keep going.
                  Dean
                  KB7ANL
                  Twin Falls, Idaho


                  --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce <sboyce@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > The Mobo mates with the SR63ng from yoyodyneconsulting.ca or with the no
                  > longer available SR v6.3 modified with footer sockets replacing some of
                  > the header pins so it fits in the SR v6.3 like it does with the SR63ng.
                  >
                  > It also ouputs 5W.
                  >
                  > With that approach you need a PC, laptop or netbook and a second (USB
                  > preferred) sound card.
                  >
                  > The SDR2GO ("Look Ma No PC" as printed on the board) + Ensemble RXTX
                  > (1W) could be self contained but covers only 3 selected bands, e.g
                  > 80/40/30, 40/30/20, etc. It's the least painful route.
                  >
                  > I think that fills in all the blank spaces Alan.
                  > 73 ... Sid.
                  >
                  > On 13/12/12 21:10, The Silver Fox wrote:
                  > >
                  > > The Mobo kit supports eight computer controlled filters that you can
                  > > construct to your specifications or a fixed set of filters. It also
                  > > has control of the Si570, pinout to control other boards (I/O board),
                  > > power and swr measurement (POWSR), temperature reports, support for
                  > > rotary encoder, display, additional amplification, a control program
                  > > that allows you to set many values on the board and peripherals.
                  > >
                  > > (I probably missed something...)
                  > >
                  > > 73,
                  > >
                  > > Alan -- W6ARH
                  > >
                  > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                  > >
                  > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                  > >
                  > > *From:*softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com]
                  > > *On Behalf Of *kb7anl
                  > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
                  > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                  > > *Subject:* [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX
                  > > Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                  > >
                  > > Alan
                  > > I know I'm joining a deep knowledge base so I have to catch up. So I
                  > > will continue to ask question to catch up.
                  > > If I understand your response Mobokit does not have the ability for
                  > > Multi-band use? What does MOBOKIT do?
                  > > Then Mobo has only a multi-band feature? IT has no other features?
                  > >
                  > > Will Sdr2GO bring multi-band into play and all digital modes capabilities?
                  > >
                  > > Do you see what I'm up against. (other than personal knowledge, Be kind)
                  > > I know I'm asking a lot in this idea of multi-band/multi-mode home
                  > > built Amateur Radio.
                  > > But really everything is here to complete this idea. just need to plow
                  > > out the information and piece it together.
                  > >
                  > > I'm impressed with the softrock field of influence in the Ham Radio
                  > > World.
                  > >
                  > > Thanks so much for your response
                  > > Dean
                  > > KB7ANL
                  > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, "The Silver Fox"
                  > > <alan.r.hill@ <mailto:alan.r.hill@>> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > The mobo does not plug directly into the Mobokit but it can be cabled to
                  > > > make them mate. For portable operations, I believe the SDR2GO is the
                  > > best
                  > > > approach for you.
                  > > >
                  > > > 73,
                  > > >
                  > > > Alan - W6ARH
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                  > > >
                  > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                  > > > Behalf Of kb7anl
                  > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:40 AM
                  > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > Subject: [softrock40] I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                  > > > Transceiver Kit"
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit" Today
                  > > > I thought this would be the place to ask these questions.
                  > > > How do i find the version of this current order?
                  > > > Will this version be compatible with the mobo to build this
                  > > transceiver in
                  > > > to a multiband unit?
                  > > > Is it wise to turn this into multiband transceiver? Does it have
                  > > Issues and
                  > > > not a good idea?
                  > > > This history of Transceivers with softrock seem to avoid doing
                  > > multiband. My
                  > > > logic ask why avoid this design.
                  > > > Now the rest of my questions are about other add on to this design.
                  > > > I came across SDR2GO which was using the "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                  > > Transceiver
                  > > > Kit" where they have added a digital menu display and band displays. Any
                  > > > body want to tell me more how compatible these are this the softrock
                  > > units.
                  > > >
                  > > > My goal is to build a very light weight portable backpack all mode
                  > > Digital
                  > > > transceiver capable to work available bands when in the wilderness.
                  > > I have
                  > > > done some 50 mile hikes in the wilderness and thought I would get
                  > > one more
                  > > > Hike of this type in before I get to old.
                  > > > Why all band... Who know what band is open when in the wilderness.
                  > > > Why all digital.... Same logic.
                  > > > Lightweight because of limited weight for a 7 day or 10 day hike.
                  > > >
                  > > > We can take this discussion off the group postings and go direct.
                  > > >
                  > > > I really didn't want to take a laptop so i can save room for food in my
                  > > > backpack.
                  > > >
                  > > > Thanks for reading this hope you can help me with this goal.
                  > > >
                  > > > Dean KB7ANL Twin Falls, Idaho kb7anl@ <mailto:kb7anl%40yahoo.com>
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                  >
                  > --
                  > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                  > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                  > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                  > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                  >
                • John Greusel
                   Dean, The comments (from Sid and Alan) are not really new information. They re just answering your questions. As one who has taken a softrock into the
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                     Dean,

                    The comments (from Sid and Alan) are not really new information. They're just answering your questions.
                    As one who has taken a softrock "into the field" I can say it's doable.
                    Is it the optimum field radio- no. If I was really seriously heading for the hills I'd opt for a KX3 or an 817.
                    There's nothing rugged about a Mobo, SDR2GO or a Cube. You could develop a rugged package for them but I don't know if it's worth the trouble when there are already very good portable transceivers available.
                    The Bitx multiband version would probably be a better candidate for creating a multiband "rugged" field radio- it's simpler hence a bit less fragile.

                    Just my opinion,

                    John
                    KC9OJV





                    From: kb7anl <kb7anl@...>
                    To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:35 PM
                    Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                     
                    Sid/Alan
                    This really is helping me. I'm using your information and talking to each one of them to verify all the information and the "mergability" or "merge-ability" is that a word?.... Oh well the ability of each unit to merge and work together with success. Learning the limitations of each may refine the goal.
                    Like a few have mentioned buy the elecraft KX3 and get your battery and antenna and go.

                    So many DIY groups need some attention and this journey may spearhead some others to join in.
                    Thanks again for your suggestions. Lets keep going.
                    Dean
                    KB7ANL
                    Twin Falls, Idaho

                    --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce <sboyce@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > The Mobo mates with the SR63ng from yoyodyneconsulting.ca or with the no
                    > longer available SR v6.3 modified with footer sockets replacing some of
                    > the header pins so it fits in the SR v6.3 like it does with the SR63ng.
                    >
                    > It also ouputs 5W.
                    >
                    > With that approach you need a PC, laptop or netbook and a second (USB
                    > preferred) sound card.
                    >
                    > The SDR2GO ("Look Ma No PC" as printed on the board) + Ensemble RXTX
                    > (1W) could be self contained but covers only 3 selected bands, e.g
                    > 80/40/30, 40/30/20, etc. It's the least painful route.
                    >
                    > I think that fills in all the blank spaces Alan.
                    > 73 ... Sid.
                    >
                    > On 13/12/12 21:10, The Silver Fox wrote:
                    > >
                    > > The Mobo kit supports eight computer controlled filters that you can
                    > > construct to your specifications or a fixed set of filters. It also
                    > > has control of the Si570, pinout to control other boards (I/O board),
                    > > power and swr measurement (POWSR), temperature reports, support for
                    > > rotary encoder, display, additional amplification, a control program
                    > > that allows you to set many values on the board and peripherals.
                    > >
                    > > (I probably missed something...)
                    > >
                    > > 73,
                    > >
                    > > Alan -- W6ARH
                    > >
                    > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                    > >
                    > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                    > >
                    > > *From:*softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com]
                    > > *On Behalf Of *kb7anl
                    > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
                    > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                    > > *Subject:* [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX
                    > > Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                    > >
                    > > Alan
                    > > I know I'm joining a deep knowledge base so I have to catch up. So I
                    > > will continue to ask question to catch up.
                    > > If I understand your response Mobokit does not have the ability for
                    > > Multi-band use? What does MOBOKIT do?
                    > > Then Mobo has only a multi-band feature? IT has no other features?
                    > >
                    > > Will Sdr2GO bring multi-band into play and all digital modes capabilities?
                    > >
                    > > Do you see what I'm up against. (other than personal knowledge, Be kind)
                    > > I know I'm asking a lot in this idea of multi-band/multi-mode home
                    > > built Amateur Radio.
                    > > But really everything is here to complete this idea. just need to plow
                    > > out the information and piece it together.
                    > >
                    > > I'm impressed with the softrock field of influence in the Ham Radio
                    > > World.
                    > >
                    > > Thanks so much for your response
                    > > Dean
                    > > KB7ANL
                    > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, "The Silver Fox"
                    > > <alan.r.hill@ <mailto:alan.r.hill@>> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > The mobo does not plug directly into the Mobokit but it can be cabled to
                    > > > make them mate. For portable operations, I believe the SDR2GO is the
                    > > best
                    > > > approach for you.
                    > > >
                    > > > 73,
                    > > >
                    > > > Alan - W6ARH
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                    > > >
                    > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                    > > > Behalf Of kb7anl
                    > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:40 AM
                    > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > Subject: [softrock40] I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                    > > > Transceiver Kit"
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit" Today
                    > > > I thought this would be the place to ask these questions.
                    > > > How do i find the version of this current order?
                    > > > Will this version be compatible with the mobo to build this
                    > > transceiver in
                    > > > to a multiband unit?
                    > > > Is it wise to turn this into multiband transceiver? Does it have
                    > > Issues and
                    > > > not a good idea?
                    > > > This history of Transceivers with softrock seem to avoid doing
                    > > multiband. My
                    > > > logic ask why avoid this design.
                    > > > Now the rest of my questions are about other add on to this design.
                    > > > I came across SDR2GO which was using the "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                    > > Transceiver
                    > > > Kit" where they have added a digital menu display and band displays. Any
                    > > > body want to tell me more how compatible these are this the softrock
                    > > units.
                    > > >
                    > > > My goal is to build a very light weight portable backpack all mode
                    > > Digital
                    > > > transceiver capable to work available bands when in the wilderness.
                    > > I have
                    > > > done some 50 mile hikes in the wilderness and thought I would get
                    > > one more
                    > > > Hike of this type in before I get to old.
                    > > > Why all band... Who know what band is open when in the wilderness.
                    > > > Why all digital.... Same logic.
                    > > > Lightweight because of limited weight for a 7 day or 10 day hike.
                    > > >
                    > > > We can take this discussion off the group postings and go direct.
                    > > >
                    > > > I really didn't want to take a laptop so i can save room for food in my
                    > > > backpack.
                    > > >
                    > > > Thanks for reading this hope you can help me with this goal.
                    > > >
                    > > > Dean KB7ANL Twin Falls, Idaho kb7anl@ <mailto:kb7anl%40yahoo.com>
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    > --
                    > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                    > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                    > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                    > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                    >



                  • Norman - M0JEC
                    I think a similar pc would do NFM as well, my CPU load doesn t seem to change much when I switch between modes, I guess thats because the major load is the
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                      I think a similar pc would do NFM as well, my CPU load doesn't seem to change much when I switch between modes, I guess thats because the "major" load is the waterfall/spectrum display? Once that data is produced getting an audio signal out of it is "relatively easy"?
                       
                      Maybe some others can help further?
                       
                      Norman
                      M0JEC
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 4:10 PM
                      Subject: RE: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                       

                      What's required for NFM?


                      To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                      From: gordon@...
                      Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:36:31 +0000
                      Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                       
                      On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 06:52:45AM -0800, John Greusel wrote:
                      > I just had an interesting thought about portable.
                      > The Apache-Labs/Hermes doesn't require IQ processing so you could use a modest CPU (in a very small form factor) as a portable unit.

                      The actual I/Q processing to demodulate SSB can be done on just about anything. It's the FIR filter that sucks CPU power. If you're running it on a PC, you need a minimum of a 233MHz processor to do the FIR and demodulation.

                      --
                      Gordonjcp MM0YEQ


                    • kb7anl
                      John, Thanks for your dialog. This information is new to me..... The Commercial side does have it place with durability. So maybe this is silliness to many.
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                        John,
                        Thanks for your dialog. This information is new to me.....
                        The Commercial side does have it place with durability. So maybe this is "silliness" to many. Why go out to the wilderness with potential issues? Why explore or test? John im not jumping out of a plane without a parachute. I'm adding to my enjoyment of a 7-10 day walk in the wilderness with me adding adding extra weight to my backpack.
                        My soapbox....The history of Ham Radio has a two edge sword Amateur and commercial.
                        So many of the Home Brew Group has plowed the path for Commercial radio many of the greatest engineers do not work for the commercial industry. They were what they called as "tinkerers" in the old day "experimenters". We have grown it rely on Commercial to Far.
                        This is what ham radio is to me. I want to pull together from those different Home design groups and use there knowledge to make this work.
                        I have a lot to learn and I'm posting this to find out where we stand in the Home Brew groups. Then pull them together for my excursion.
                        WOW i got this off my chest. Sorry nothing to you or your comment just proving that kits like this from Softrock have a place in the real world. Better than sitting on a bench as a toy we look at from time to time and say oh ya i made one contact on it then turn over to our commercial unit.
                        History of ham radio has been good to us look at all the toys at our disposal in today's world.
                        In My mind Packet radio was the advent of today's Email and texting.

                        OK i will shut down.
                        John your right the KX3 would stop me from experimenting instead of looking at Softrock.

                        73
                        Dean
                        KB7ANL
                        Twin Falls, IDaho
                        --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, John Greusel <greusel@...> wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >  Dean,
                        >
                        > The comments (from Sid and Alan) are not really new information. They're just answering your questions.
                        > As one who has taken a softrock "into the field" I can say it's doable.
                        > Is it the optimum field radio- no. If I was really seriously heading for the hills I'd opt for a KX3 or an 817.
                        > There's nothing rugged about a Mobo, SDR2GO or a Cube. You could develop a rugged package for them but I don't know if it's worth the trouble when there are already very good portable transceivers available.
                        > The Bitx multiband version would probably be a better candidate for creating a multiband "rugged" field radio- it's simpler hence a bit less fragile.
                        >
                        > Just my opinion,
                        >
                        > John
                        > KC9OJV
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ________________________________
                        > From: kb7anl <kb7anl@...>
                        > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:35 PM
                        > Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                        >
                        >
                        >  
                        > Sid/Alan
                        > This really is helping me. I'm using your information and talking to each one of them to verify all the information and the "mergability" or "merge-ability" is that a word?.... Oh well the ability of each unit to merge and work together with success. Learning the limitations of each may refine the goal.
                        > Like a few have mentioned buy the elecraft KX3 and get your battery and antenna and go.
                        >
                        > So many DIY groups need some attention and this journey may spearhead some others to join in.
                        > Thanks again for your suggestions. Lets keep going.
                        > Dean
                        > KB7ANL
                        > Twin Falls, Idaho
                        >
                        > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce <sboyce@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > The Mobo mates with the SR63ng from yoyodyneconsulting.ca or with the no
                        > > longer available SR v6.3 modified with footer sockets replacing some of
                        > > the header pins so it fits in the SR v6.3 like it does with the SR63ng.
                        > >
                        > > It also ouputs 5W.
                        > >
                        > > With that approach you need a PC, laptop or netbook and a second (USB
                        > > preferred) sound card.
                        > >
                        > > The SDR2GO ("Look Ma No PC" as printed on the board) + Ensemble RXTX
                        > > (1W) could be self contained but covers only 3 selected bands, e.g
                        > > 80/40/30, 40/30/20, etc. It's the least painful route.
                        > >
                        > > I think that fills in all the blank spaces Alan.
                        > > 73 ... Sid.
                        > >
                        > > On 13/12/12 21:10, The Silver Fox wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > The Mobo kit supports eight computer controlled filters that you can
                        > > > construct to your specifications or a fixed set of filters. It also
                        > > > has control of the Si570, pinout to control other boards (I/O board),
                        > > > power and swr measurement (POWSR), temperature reports, support for
                        > > > rotary encoder, display, additional amplification, a control program
                        > > > that allows you to set many values on the board and peripherals.
                        > > >
                        > > > (I probably missed something...)
                        > > >
                        > > > 73,
                        > > >
                        > > > Alan -- W6ARH
                        > > >
                        > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                        > > >
                        > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                        > > >
                        > > > *From:*softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com]
                        > > > *On Behalf Of *kb7anl
                        > > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
                        > > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > *Subject:* [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX
                        > > > Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                        > > >
                        > > > Alan
                        > > > I know I'm joining a deep knowledge base so I have to catch up. So I
                        > > > will continue to ask question to catch up.
                        > > > If I understand your response Mobokit does not have the ability for
                        > > > Multi-band use? What does MOBOKIT do?
                        > > > Then Mobo has only a multi-band feature? IT has no other features?
                        > > >
                        > > > Will Sdr2GO bring multi-band into play and all digital modes capabilities?
                        > > >
                        > > > Do you see what I'm up against. (other than personal knowledge, Be kind)
                        > > > I know I'm asking a lot in this idea of multi-band/multi-mode home
                        > > > built Amateur Radio.
                        > > > But really everything is here to complete this idea. just need to plow
                        > > > out the information and piece it together.
                        > > >
                        > > > I'm impressed with the softrock field of influence in the Ham Radio
                        > > > World.
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks so much for your response
                        > > > Dean
                        > > > KB7ANL
                        > > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, "The Silver Fox"
                        > > > <alan.r.hill@ <mailto:alan.r.hill@>> wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > The mobo does not plug directly into the Mobokit but it can be cabled to
                        > > > > make them mate. For portable operations, I believe the SDR2GO is the
                        > > > best
                        > > > > approach for you.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > 73,
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Alan - W6ARH
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                        > > > >
                        > > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                        > > > > Behalf Of kb7anl
                        > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:40 AM
                        > > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > Subject: [softrock40] I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                        > > > > Transceiver Kit"
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit" Today
                        > > > > I thought this would be the place to ask these questions.
                        > > > > How do i find the version of this current order?
                        > > > > Will this version be compatible with the mobo to build this
                        > > > transceiver in
                        > > > > to a multiband unit?
                        > > > > Is it wise to turn this into multiband transceiver? Does it have
                        > > > Issues and
                        > > > > not a good idea?
                        > > > > This history of Transceivers with softrock seem to avoid doing
                        > > > multiband. My
                        > > > > logic ask why avoid this design.
                        > > > > Now the rest of my questions are about other add on to this design.
                        > > > > I came across SDR2GO which was using the "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                        > > > Transceiver
                        > > > > Kit" where they have added a digital menu display and band displays. Any
                        > > > > body want to tell me more how compatible these are this the softrock
                        > > > units.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > My goal is to build a very light weight portable backpack all mode
                        > > > Digital
                        > > > > transceiver capable to work available bands when in the wilderness.
                        > > > I have
                        > > > > done some 50 mile hikes in the wilderness and thought I would get
                        > > > one more
                        > > > > Hike of this type in before I get to old.
                        > > > > Why all band... Who know what band is open when in the wilderness.
                        > > > > Why all digital.... Same logic.
                        > > > > Lightweight because of limited weight for a 7 day or 10 day hike.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > We can take this discussion off the group postings and go direct.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I really didn't want to take a laptop so i can save room for food in my
                        > > > > backpack.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Thanks for reading this hope you can help me with this goal.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Dean KB7ANL Twin Falls, Idaho kb7anl@ <mailto:kb7anl%40yahoo.com>
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --
                        > > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                        > > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                        > > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                        > > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                        > >
                        >
                      • John Greusel
                        Dean, I was thinking this morning- well if he really wants to build a rugged sdr based multiband radio what would be the best approach? I think the UHFSDR
                        Message 11 of 24 , Dec 15, 2012
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                          Dean,

                          I was thinking this morning- well if he really wants to build a rugged sdr based multiband radio what would be the best approach?
                          I think the UHFSDR might give you the band fluidity you want. There are already people that have coupled that device to the SDR2GO. The troubles are a lack of bandpass filters ( that's being worked on) and an amplifer- solutions available there too. The reality is that there isn't that much new development needed for this to work. You're giving yourself a packaging project not a "develop a unique RF platform" project. That's completely OK because the packaging is a big problem and a big hurtle for many. Initially I think you might want to just build a softrock, then try getting it talking to SDR2GO and finally build a UHFSDR with LP/BPF system and amplifer and try to integrate that into a compact portable package. I still think a portable multiband Bitx would be much easier to implement but it sounds like easy and expedient isn't what you're looking for. I'm anxious to see what you come up with.

                          73s
                          John
                          KC9OJV
                           



                          From: kb7anl <kb7anl@...>
                          To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:22 AM
                          Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                           

                          John,
                          Thanks for your dialog. This information is new to me.....
                          The Commercial side does have it place with durability. So maybe this is "silliness" to many. Why go out to the wilderness with potential issues? Why explore or test? John im not jumping out of a plane without a parachute. I'm adding to my enjoyment of a 7-10 day walk in the wilderness with me adding adding extra weight to my backpack.
                          My soapbox....The history of Ham Radio has a two edge sword Amateur and commercial.
                          So many of the Home Brew Group has plowed the path for Commercial radio many of the greatest engineers do not work for the commercial industry. They were what they called as "tinkerers" in the old day "experimenters". We have grown it rely on Commercial to Far.
                          This is what ham radio is to me. I want to pull together from those different Home design groups and use there knowledge to make this work.
                          I have a lot to learn and I'm posting this to find out where we stand in the Home Brew groups. Then pull them together for my excursion.
                          WOW i got this off my chest. Sorry nothing to you or your comment just proving that kits like this from Softrock have a place in the real world. Better than sitting on a bench as a toy we look at from time to time and say oh ya i made one contact on it then turn over to our commercial unit.
                          History of ham radio has been good to us look at all the toys at our disposal in today's world.
                          In My mind Packet radio was the advent of today's Email and texting.

                          OK i will shut down.
                          John your right the KX3 would stop me from experimenting instead of looking at Softrock.

                          73
                          Dean
                          KB7ANL
                          Twin Falls, IDaho
                          --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, John Greusel <greusel@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >  Dean,
                          >
                          > The comments (from Sid and Alan) are not really new information. They're just answering your questions.
                          > As one who has taken a softrock "into the field" I can say it's doable.
                          > Is it the optimum field radio- no. If I was really seriously heading for the hills I'd opt for a KX3 or an 817.
                          > There's nothing rugged about a Mobo, SDR2GO or a Cube. You could develop a rugged package for them but I don't know if it's worth the trouble when there are already very good portable transceivers available.
                          > The Bitx multiband version would probably be a better candidate for creating a multiband "rugged" field radio- it's simpler hence a bit less fragile.
                          >
                          > Just my opinion,
                          >
                          > John
                          > KC9OJV
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > ________________________________
                          > From: kb7anl <kb7anl@...>
                          > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:35 PM
                          > Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                          >
                          >
                          >  
                          > Sid/Alan
                          > This really is helping me. I'm using your information and talking to each one of them to verify all the information and the "mergability" or "merge-ability" is that a word?.... Oh well the ability of each unit to merge and work together with success. Learning the limitations of each may refine the goal.
                          > Like a few have mentioned buy the elecraft KX3 and get your battery and antenna and go.
                          >
                          > So many DIY groups need some attention and this journey may spearhead some others to join in.
                          > Thanks again for your suggestions. Lets keep going.
                          > Dean
                          > KB7ANL
                          > Twin Falls, Idaho
                          >
                          > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce <sboyce@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > The Mobo mates with the SR63ng from yoyodyneconsulting.ca or with the no
                          > > longer available SR v6.3 modified with footer sockets replacing some of
                          > > the header pins so it fits in the SR v6.3 like it does with the SR63ng.
                          > >
                          > > It also ouputs 5W.
                          > >
                          > > With that approach you need a PC, laptop or netbook and a second (USB
                          > > preferred) sound card.
                          > >
                          > > The SDR2GO ("Look Ma No PC" as printed on the board) + Ensemble RXTX
                          > > (1W) could be self contained but covers only 3 selected bands, e.g
                          > > 80/40/30, 40/30/20, etc. It's the least painful route.
                          > >
                          > > I think that fills in all the blank spaces Alan.
                          > > 73 ... Sid.
                          > >
                          > > On 13/12/12 21:10, The Silver Fox wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > The Mobo kit supports eight computer controlled filters that you can
                          > > > construct to your specifications or a fixed set of filters. It also
                          > > > has control of the Si570, pinout to control other boards (I/O board),
                          > > > power and swr measurement (POWSR), temperature reports, support for
                          > > > rotary encoder, display, additional amplification, a control program
                          > > > that allows you to set many values on the board and peripherals.
                          > > >
                          > > > (I probably missed something...)
                          > > >
                          > > > 73,
                          > > >
                          > > > Alan -- W6ARH
                          > > >
                          > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                          > > >
                          > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                          > > >
                          > > > *From:*softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com]
                          > > > *On Behalf Of *kb7anl
                          > > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
                          > > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > *Subject:* [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX
                          > > > Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                          > > >
                          > > > Alan
                          > > > I know I'm joining a deep knowledge base so I have to catch up. So I
                          > > > will continue to ask question to catch up.
                          > > > If I understand your response Mobokit does not have the ability for
                          > > > Multi-band use? What does MOBOKIT do?
                          > > > Then Mobo has only a multi-band feature? IT has no other features?
                          > > >
                          > > > Will Sdr2GO bring multi-band into play and all digital modes capabilities?
                          > > >
                          > > > Do you see what I'm up against. (other than personal knowledge, Be kind)
                          > > > I know I'm asking a lot in this idea of multi-band/multi-mode home
                          > > > built Amateur Radio.
                          > > > But really everything is here to complete this idea. just need to plow
                          > > > out the information and piece it together.
                          > > >
                          > > > I'm impressed with the softrock field of influence in the Ham Radio
                          > > > World.
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks so much for your response
                          > > > Dean
                          > > > KB7ANL
                          > > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, "The Silver Fox"
                          > > > <alan.r.hill@ <mailto:alan.r.hill@>> wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > The mobo does not plug directly into the Mobokit but it can be cabled to
                          > > > > make them mate. For portable operations, I believe the SDR2GO is the
                          > > > best
                          > > > > approach for you.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 73,
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Alan - W6ARH
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                          > > > >
                          > > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                          > > > > Behalf Of kb7anl
                          > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:40 AM
                          > > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > > Subject: [softrock40] I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                          > > > > Transceiver Kit"
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit" Today
                          > > > > I thought this would be the place to ask these questions.
                          > > > > How do i find the version of this current order?
                          > > > > Will this version be compatible with the mobo to build this
                          > > > transceiver in
                          > > > > to a multiband unit?
                          > > > > Is it wise to turn this into multiband transceiver? Does it have
                          > > > Issues and
                          > > > > not a good idea?
                          > > > > This history of Transceivers with softrock seem to avoid doing
                          > > > multiband. My
                          > > > > logic ask why avoid this design.
                          > > > > Now the rest of my questions are about other add on to this design.
                          > > > > I came across SDR2GO which was using the "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                          > > > Transceiver
                          > > > > Kit" where they have added a digital menu display and band displays. Any
                          > > > > body want to tell me more how compatible these are this the softrock
                          > > > units.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > My goal is to build a very light weight portable backpack all mode
                          > > > Digital
                          > > > > transceiver capable to work available bands when in the wilderness.
                          > > > I have
                          > > > > done some 50 mile hikes in the wilderness and thought I would get
                          > > > one more
                          > > > > Hike of this type in before I get to old.
                          > > > > Why all band... Who know what band is open when in the wilderness.
                          > > > > Why all digital.... Same logic.
                          > > > > Lightweight because of limited weight for a 7 day or 10 day hike.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > We can take this discussion off the group postings and go direct.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > I really didn't want to take a laptop so i can save room for food in my
                          > > > > backpack.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Thanks for reading this hope you can help me with this goal.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Dean KB7ANL Twin Falls, Idaho kb7anl@ <mailto:kb7anl%40yahoo.com>
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --
                          > > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                          > > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                          > > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                          > > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                          > >
                          >



                        • The Silver Fox
                          I have not heard anyone having difficulty interfacing the UHFSDR to the mobokit. As mentioned before this kit has about everything you could ask for in terms
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                            I have not heard anyone having difficulty interfacing the UHFSDR to the mobokit.  As mentioned before this kit has about everything you could ask for in terms of computer controlled filters and devices.

                            73,

                            Alan – W6ARH

                             

                            Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/

                            UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html  $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)

                             

                             

                             

                            From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Greusel
                            Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:13 AM
                            To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                             

                             

                            Dean,

                             

                            I was thinking this morning- well if he really wants to build a rugged sdr based multiband radio what would be the best approach?

                            I think the UHFSDR might give you the band fluidity you want. There are already people that have coupled that device to the SDR2GO. The troubles are a lack of bandpass filters ( that's being worked on) and an amplifer- solutions available there too. The reality is that there isn't that much new development needed for this to work. You're giving yourself a packaging project not a "develop a unique RF platform" project. That's completely OK because the packaging is a big problem and a big hurtle for many. Initially I think you might want to just build a softrock, then try getting it talking to SDR2GO and finally build a UHFSDR with LP/BPF system and amplifer and try to integrate that into a compact portable package. I still think a portable multiband Bitx would be much easier to implement but it sounds like easy and expedient isn't what you're looking for. I'm anxious to see what you come up with.

                             

                            73s

                            John

                            KC9OJV

                             

                             


                            From: kb7anl <kb7anl@...>
                            To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:22 AM
                            Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                             

                             


                            John,
                            Thanks for your dialog. This information is new to me.....
                            The Commercial side does have it place with durability. So maybe this is "silliness" to many. Why go out to the wilderness with potential issues? Why explore or test? John im not jumping out of a plane without a parachute. I'm adding to my enjoyment of a 7-10 day walk in the wilderness with me adding adding extra weight to my backpack.
                            My soapbox....The history of Ham Radio has a two edge sword Amateur and commercial.
                            So many of the Home Brew Group has plowed the path for Commercial radio many of the greatest engineers do not work for the commercial industry. They were what they called as "tinkerers" in the old day "experimenters". We have grown it rely on Commercial to Far.
                            This is what ham radio is to me. I want to pull together from those different Home design groups and use there knowledge to make this work.
                            I have a lot to learn and I'm posting this to find out where we stand in the Home Brew groups. Then pull them together for my excursion.
                            WOW i got this off my chest. Sorry nothing to you or your comment just proving that kits like this from Softrock have a place in the real world. Better than sitting on a bench as a toy we look at from time to time and say oh ya i made one contact on it then turn over to our commercial unit.
                            History of ham radio has been good to us look at all the toys at our disposal in today's world.
                            In My mind Packet radio was the advent of today's Email and texting.

                            OK i will shut down.
                            John your right the KX3 would stop me from experimenting instead of looking at Softrock.

                            73
                            Dean
                            KB7ANL
                            Twin Falls, IDaho

                            --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, John Greusel <greusel@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >  Dean,
                            >
                            > The comments (from Sid and Alan) are not really new information. They're just answering your questions.
                            > As one who has taken a softrock "into the field" I can say it's doable.
                            > Is it the optimum field radio- no. If I was really seriously heading for the hills I'd opt for a KX3 or an 817.
                            > There's nothing rugged about a Mobo, SDR2GO or a Cube. You could develop a rugged package for them but I don't know if it's worth the trouble when there are already very good portable transceivers available.
                            > The Bitx multiband version would probably be a better candidate for creating a multiband "rugged" field radio- it's simpler hence a bit less fragile.
                            >
                            > Just my opinion,
                            >
                            > John
                            > KC9OJV
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > ________________________________
                            > From: kb7anl <kb7anl@...>
                            > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:35 PM
                            > Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                            >
                            >
                            >  
                            > Sid/Alan
                            > This really is helping me. I'm using your information and talking to each one of them to verify all the information and the "mergability" or "merge-ability" is that a word?.... Oh well the ability of each unit to merge and work together with success. Learning the limitations of each may refine the goal.
                            > Like a few have mentioned buy the elecraft KX3 and get your battery and antenna and go.
                            >
                            > So many DIY groups need some attention and this journey may spearhead some others to join in.
                            > Thanks again for your suggestions. Lets keep going.
                            > Dean
                            > KB7ANL
                            > Twin Falls, Idaho
                            >
                            > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce <sboyce@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > The Mobo mates with the SR63ng from yoyodyneconsulting.ca or with the no
                            > > longer available SR v6.3 modified with footer sockets replacing some of
                            > > the header pins so it fits in the SR v6.3 like it does with the SR63ng.
                            > >
                            > > It also ouputs 5W.
                            > >
                            > > With that approach you need a PC, laptop or netbook and a second (USB
                            > > preferred) sound card.
                            > >
                            > > The SDR2GO ("Look Ma No PC" as printed on the board) + Ensemble RXTX
                            > > (1W) could be self contained but covers only 3 selected bands, e.g
                            > > 80/40/30, 40/30/20, etc. It's the least painful route.
                            > >
                            > > I think that fills in all the blank spaces Alan.
                            > > 73 ... Sid.
                            > >
                            > > On 13/12/12 21:10, The Silver Fox wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > The Mobo kit supports eight computer controlled filters that you can
                            > > > construct to your specifications or a fixed set of filters. It also
                            > > > has control of the Si570, pinout to control other boards (I/O board),
                            > > > power and swr measurement (POWSR), temperature reports, support for
                            > > > rotary encoder, display, additional amplification, a control program
                            > > > that allows you to set many values on the board and peripherals.
                            > > >
                            > > > (I probably missed something...)
                            > > >
                            > > > 73,
                            > > >
                            > > > Alan -- W6ARH
                            > > >
                            > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                            > > >
                            > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                            > > >
                            > > > *From:*softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com]
                            > > > *On Behalf Of *kb7anl
                            > > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
                            > > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > *Subject:* [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX
                            > > > Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                            > > >
                            > > > Alan
                            > > > I know I'm joining a deep knowledge base so I have to catch up. So I
                            > > > will continue to ask question to catch up.
                            > > > If I understand your response Mobokit does not have the ability for
                            > > > Multi-band use? What does MOBOKIT do?
                            > > > Then Mobo has only a multi-band feature? IT has no other features?
                            > > >
                            > > > Will Sdr2GO bring multi-band into play and all digital modes capabilities?
                            > > >
                            > > > Do you see what I'm up against. (other than personal knowledge, Be kind)
                            > > > I know I'm asking a lot in this idea of multi-band/multi-mode home
                            > > > built Amateur Radio.
                            > > > But really everything is here to complete this idea. just need to plow
                            > > > out the information and piece it together.
                            > > >
                            > > > I'm impressed with the softrock field of influence in the Ham Radio
                            > > > World.
                            > > >
                            > > > Thanks so much for your response
                            > > > Dean
                            > > > KB7ANL
                            > > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, "The Silver Fox"
                            > > > <alan.r.hill@ <mailto:alan.r.hill@>> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > The mobo does not plug directly into the Mobokit but it can be cabled to
                            > > > > make them mate. For portable operations, I believe the SDR2GO is the
                            > > > best
                            > > > > approach for you.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > 73,
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Alan - W6ARH
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                            > > > >
                            > > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                            > > > > Behalf Of kb7anl
                            > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:40 AM
                            > > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > > Subject: [softrock40] I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                            > > > > Transceiver Kit"
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit" Today
                            > > > > I thought this would be the place to ask these questions.
                            > > > > How do i find the version of this current order?
                            > > > > Will this version be compatible with the mobo to build this
                            > > > transceiver in
                            > > > > to a multiband unit?
                            > > > > Is it wise to turn this into multiband transceiver? Does it have
                            > > > Issues and
                            > > > > not a good idea?
                            > > > > This history of Transceivers with softrock seem to avoid doing
                            > > > multiband. My
                            > > > > logic ask why avoid this design.
                            > > > > Now the rest of my questions are about other add on to this design.
                            > > > > I came across SDR2GO which was using the "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                            > > > Transceiver
                            > > > > Kit" where they have added a digital menu display and band displays. Any
                            > > > > body want to tell me more how compatible these are this the softrock
                            > > > units.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > My goal is to build a very light weight portable backpack all mode
                            > > > Digital
                            > > > > transceiver capable to work available bands when in the wilderness.
                            > > > I have
                            > > > > done some 50 mile hikes in the wilderness and thought I would get
                            > > > one more
                            > > > > Hike of this type in before I get to old.
                            > > > > Why all band... Who know what band is open when in the wilderness.
                            > > > > Why all digital.... Same logic.
                            > > > > Lightweight because of limited weight for a 7 day or 10 day hike.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > We can take this discussion off the group postings and go direct.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I really didn't want to take a laptop so i can save room for food in my
                            > > > > backpack.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Thanks for reading this hope you can help me with this goal.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Dean KB7ANL Twin Falls, Idaho kb7anl@ <mailto:kb7anl%40yahoo.com>
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --
                            > > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                            > > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                            > > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                            > > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                            > >
                            >

                             

                          • John Greusel
                            Alan, Dean is looking to construct a backpackable transceiver- probably without a computer. I think (and I could be wrong) that the SDR2GO and the Cube are the
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                              Alan,

                              Dean is looking to construct a backpackable transceiver- probably without a computer.
                              I think (and I could be wrong) that the SDR2GO and the Cube are the only two candidates for that setup.

                              John
                              KC9OJV
                               



                              From: The Silver Fox <alan.r.hill@...>
                              To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 1:51 PM
                              Subject: RE: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                               
                              I have not heard anyone having difficulty interfacing the UHFSDR to the mobokit.  As mentioned before this kit has about everything you could ask for in terms of computer controlled filters and devices.
                              73,
                              Alan – W6ARH
                               
                              UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html  $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                               
                               
                               
                              From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Greusel
                              Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:13 AM
                              To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                               
                               
                              Dean,
                               
                              I was thinking this morning- well if he really wants to build a rugged sdr based multiband radio what would be the best approach?
                              I think the UHFSDR might give you the band fluidity you want. There are already people that have coupled that device to the SDR2GO. The troubles are a lack of bandpass filters ( that's being worked on) and an amplifer- solutions available there too. The reality is that there isn't that much new development needed for this to work. You're giving yourself a packaging project not a "develop a unique RF platform" project. That's completely OK because the packaging is a big problem and a big hurtle for many. Initially I think you might want to just build a softrock, then try getting it talking to SDR2GO and finally build a UHFSDR with LP/BPF system and amplifer and try to integrate that into a compact portable package. I still think a portable multiband Bitx would be much easier to implement but it sounds like easy and expedient isn't what you're looking for. I'm anxious to see what you come up with.
                               
                              73s
                              John
                              KC9OJV
                               
                               

                              From: kb7anl <kb7anl@...>
                              To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:22 AM
                              Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                               
                               

                              John,
                              Thanks for your dialog. This information is new to me.....
                              The Commercial side does have it place with durability. So maybe this is "silliness" to many. Why go out to the wilderness with potential issues? Why explore or test? John im not jumping out of a plane without a parachute. I'm adding to my enjoyment of a 7-10 day walk in the wilderness with me adding adding extra weight to my backpack.
                              My soapbox....The history of Ham Radio has a two edge sword Amateur and commercial.
                              So many of the Home Brew Group has plowed the path for Commercial radio many of the greatest engineers do not work for the commercial industry. They were what they called as "tinkerers" in the old day "experimenters". We have grown it rely on Commercial to Far.
                              This is what ham radio is to me. I want to pull together from those different Home design groups and use there knowledge to make this work.
                              I have a lot to learn and I'm posting this to find out where we stand in the Home Brew groups. Then pull them together for my excursion.
                              WOW i got this off my chest. Sorry nothing to you or your comment just proving that kits like this from Softrock have a place in the real world. Better than sitting on a bench as a toy we look at from time to time and say oh ya i made one contact on it then turn over to our commercial unit.
                              History of ham radio has been good to us look at all the toys at our disposal in today's world.
                              In My mind Packet radio was the advent of today's Email and texting.

                              OK i will shut down.
                              John your right the KX3 would stop me from experimenting instead of looking at Softrock.

                              73
                              Dean
                              KB7ANL
                              Twin Falls, IDaho
                              --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, John Greusel <greusel@...> wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >  Dean,
                              >
                              > The comments (from Sid and Alan) are not really new information. They're just answering your questions.
                              > As one who has taken a softrock "into the field" I can say it's doable.
                              > Is it the optimum field radio- no. If I was really seriously heading for the hills I'd opt for a KX3 or an 817.
                              > There's nothing rugged about a Mobo, SDR2GO or a Cube. You could develop a rugged package for them but I don't know if it's worth the trouble when there are already very good portable transceivers available.
                              > The Bitx multiband version would probably be a better candidate for creating a multiband "rugged" field radio- it's simpler hence a bit less fragile.
                              >
                              > Just my opinion,
                              >
                              > John
                              > KC9OJV
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > ________________________________
                              > From: kb7anl <kb7anl@...>
                              > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:35 PM
                              > Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                              >
                              >
                              >  
                              > Sid/Alan
                              > This really is helping me. I'm using your information and talking to each one of them to verify all the information and the "mergability" or "merge-ability" is that a word?.... Oh well the ability of each unit to merge and work together with success. Learning the limitations of each may refine the goal.
                              > Like a few have mentioned buy the elecraft KX3 and get your battery and antenna and go.
                              >
                              > So many DIY groups need some attention and this journey may spearhead some others to join in.
                              > Thanks again for your suggestions. Lets keep going.
                              > Dean
                              > KB7ANL
                              > Twin Falls, Idaho
                              >
                              > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce <sboyce@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > The Mobo mates with the SR63ng from yoyodyneconsulting.ca or with the no
                              > > longer available SR v6.3 modified with footer sockets replacing some of
                              > > the header pins so it fits in the SR v6.3 like it does with the SR63ng.
                              > >
                              > > It also ouputs 5W.
                              > >
                              > > With that approach you need a PC, laptop or netbook and a second (USB
                              > > preferred) sound card.
                              > >
                              > > The SDR2GO ("Look Ma No PC" as printed on the board) + Ensemble RXTX
                              > > (1W) could be self contained but covers only 3 selected bands, e.g
                              > > 80/40/30, 40/30/20, etc. It's the least painful route.
                              > >
                              > > I think that fills in all the blank spaces Alan.
                              > > 73 ... Sid.
                              > >
                              > > On 13/12/12 21:10, The Silver Fox wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > The Mobo kit supports eight computer controlled filters that you can
                              > > > construct to your specifications or a fixed set of filters. It also
                              > > > has control of the Si570, pinout to control other boards (I/O board),
                              > > > power and swr measurement (POWSR), temperature reports, support for
                              > > > rotary encoder, display, additional amplification, a control program
                              > > > that allows you to set many values on the board and peripherals.
                              > > >
                              > > > (I probably missed something...)
                              > > >
                              > > > 73,
                              > > >
                              > > > Alan -- W6ARH
                              > > >
                              > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                              > > >
                              > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                              > > >
                              > > > *From:*softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com]
                              > > > *On Behalf Of *kb7anl
                              > > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
                              > > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > *Subject:* [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX
                              > > > Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                              > > >
                              > > > Alan
                              > > > I know I'm joining a deep knowledge base so I have to catch up. So I
                              > > > will continue to ask question to catch up.
                              > > > If I understand your response Mobokit does not have the ability for
                              > > > Multi-band use? What does MOBOKIT do?
                              > > > Then Mobo has only a multi-band feature? IT has no other features?
                              > > >
                              > > > Will Sdr2GO bring multi-band into play and all digital modes capabilities?
                              > > >
                              > > > Do you see what I'm up against. (other than personal knowledge, Be kind)
                              > > > I know I'm asking a lot in this idea of multi-band/multi-mode home
                              > > > built Amateur Radio.
                              > > > But really everything is here to complete this idea. just need to plow
                              > > > out the information and piece it together.
                              > > >
                              > > > I'm impressed with the softrock field of influence in the Ham Radio
                              > > > World.
                              > > >
                              > > > Thanks so much for your response
                              > > > Dean
                              > > > KB7ANL
                              > > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, "The Silver Fox"
                              > > > <alan.r.hill@ <mailto:alan.r.hill@>> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > The mobo does not plug directly into the Mobokit but it can be cabled to
                              > > > > make them mate. For portable operations, I believe the SDR2GO is the
                              > > > best
                              > > > > approach for you.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > 73,
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Alan - W6ARH
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                              > > > >
                              > > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                              > > > > Behalf Of kb7anl
                              > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:40 AM
                              > > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                              > > > > Subject: [softrock40] I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                              > > > > Transceiver Kit"
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit" Today
                              > > > > I thought this would be the place to ask these questions.
                              > > > > How do i find the version of this current order?
                              > > > > Will this version be compatible with the mobo to build this
                              > > > transceiver in
                              > > > > to a multiband unit?
                              > > > > Is it wise to turn this into multiband transceiver? Does it have
                              > > > Issues and
                              > > > > not a good idea?
                              > > > > This history of Transceivers with softrock seem to avoid doing
                              > > > multiband. My
                              > > > > logic ask why avoid this design.
                              > > > > Now the rest of my questions are about other add on to this design.
                              > > > > I came across SDR2GO which was using the "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                              > > > Transceiver
                              > > > > Kit" where they have added a digital menu display and band displays. Any
                              > > > > body want to tell me more how compatible these are this the softrock
                              > > > units.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > My goal is to build a very light weight portable backpack all mode
                              > > > Digital
                              > > > > transceiver capable to work available bands when in the wilderness.
                              > > > I have
                              > > > > done some 50 mile hikes in the wilderness and thought I would get
                              > > > one more
                              > > > > Hike of this type in before I get to old.
                              > > > > Why all band... Who know what band is open when in the wilderness.
                              > > > > Why all digital.... Same logic.
                              > > > > Lightweight because of limited weight for a 7 day or 10 day hike.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > We can take this discussion off the group postings and go direct.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > I really didn't want to take a laptop so i can save room for food in my
                              > > > > backpack.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Thanks for reading this hope you can help me with this goal.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Dean KB7ANL Twin Falls, Idaho kb7anl@ <mailto:kb7anl%40yahoo.com>
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --
                              > > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                              > > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                              > > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                              > > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                              > >
                              >
                               


                            • Sid Boyce
                              Hi John, Now you are talking performance. Together with a Gigabyte GA-E350N, AMD E-350, ITX and a 7 screen, that would make a nice portable package. I thought
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                                Hi John,
                                Now you are talking performance.
                                Together with a Gigabyte GA-E350N, AMD E-350, ITX and a 7" screen, that would make a nice portable package.

                                I thought I had got a good deal on a Hermes package with Trimble GPS her in the UK but someone else beat me to it.
                                Looks like I'll be paying Apache Labs in the new year.
                                73 ... Sid.

                                On 14/12/12 14:52, John Greusel wrote:
                                 
                                I just had an interesting thought about portable.
                                The Apache-Labs/Hermes doesn't require IQ processing so you could use a modest CPU (in a very small form factor) as a portable unit.
                                The two items would consume some power so you'd have to allow for that but otherwise is could be a small physical package with very high performance.
                                Cost wise though we're back to KX3 territory. A three band Softrock with either a netbook (I've done that portable) or SDR2GO are the most economical.

                                John
                                KC9OJV

                                 



                                From: lh1907 <llh5@...>
                                To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 7:13 AM
                                Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                                 

                                The SDR Cube at http://www.sdr-cube.com/ interfaces to Ensemble RXTX
                                and is self-contained (no PC used).
                                Larry, W2HHV

                                --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce <sboyce@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > The Mobo mates with the SR63ng from yoyodyneconsulting.ca or with the no
                                > longer available SR v6.3 modified with footer sockets replacing some of
                                > the header pins so it fits in the SR v6.3 like it does with the SR63ng.
                                >
                                > It also ouputs 5W.
                                >
                                > With that approach you need a PC, laptop or netbook and a second (USB
                                > preferred) sound card.
                                >
                                > The SDR2GO ("Look Ma No PC" as printed on the board) + Ensemble RXTX
                                > (1W) could be self contained but covers only 3 selected bands, e.g
                                > 80/40/30, 40/30/20, etc. It's the least painful route.
                                >
                                > I think that fills in all the blank spaces Alan.
                                > 73 ... Sid.
                                >
                                > On 13/12/12 21:10, The Silver Fox wrote:
                                > >
                                > > The Mobo kit supports eight computer controlled filters that you can
                                > > construct to your specifications or a fixed set of filters. It also
                                > > has control of the Si570, pinout to control other boards (I/O board),
                                > > power and swr measurement (POWSR), temperature reports, support for
                                > > rotary encoder, display, additional amplification, a control program
                                > > that allows you to set many values on the board and peripherals.
                                > >
                                > > (I probably missed something...)
                                > >
                                > > 73,
                                > >
                                > > Alan -- W6ARH
                                > >
                                > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                                > >
                                > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                                > >
                                > > *From:*softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com]
                                > > *On Behalf Of *kb7anl
                                > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
                                > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                > > *Subject:* [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX
                                > > Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                                > >
                                > > Alan
                                > > I know I'm joining a deep knowledge base so I have to catch up. So I
                                > > will continue to ask question to catch up.
                                > > If I understand your response Mobokit does not have the ability for
                                > > Multi-band use? What does MOBOKIT do?
                                > > Then Mobo has only a multi-band feature? IT has no other features?
                                > >
                                > > Will Sdr2GO bring multi-band into play and all digital modes capabilities?
                                > >
                                > > Do you see what I'm up against. (other than personal knowledge, Be kind)
                                > > I know I'm asking a lot in this idea of multi-band/multi-mode home
                                > > built Amateur Radio.
                                > > But really everything is here to complete this idea. just need to plow
                                > > out the information and piece it together.
                                > >
                                > > I'm impressed with the softrock field of influence in the Ham Radio
                                > > World.
                                > >
                                > > Thanks so much for your response
                                > > Dean
                                > > KB7ANL
                                > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, "The Silver Fox"
                                > > <alan.r.hill@ <mailto:alan.r.hill@>> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > The mobo does not plug directly into the Mobokit but it can be cabled to
                                > > > make them mate. For portable operations, I believe the SDR2GO is the
                                > > best
                                > > > approach for you.
                                > > >
                                > > > 73,
                                > > >
                                > > > Alan - W6ARH
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                                > > >
                                > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                                > > > Behalf Of kb7anl
                                > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:40 AM
                                > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                > > > Subject: [softrock40] I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                                > > > Transceiver Kit"
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit" Today
                                > > > I thought this would be the place to ask these questions.
                                > > > How do i find the version of this current order?
                                > > > Will this version be compatible with the mobo to build this
                                > > transceiver in
                                > > > to a multiband unit?
                                > > > Is it wise to turn this into multiband transceiver? Does it have
                                > > Issues and
                                > > > not a good idea?
                                > > > This history of Transceivers with softrock seem to avoid doing
                                > > multiband. My
                                > > > logic ask why avoid this design.
                                > > > Now the rest of my questions are about other add on to this design.
                                > > > I came across SDR2GO which was using the "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                                > > Transceiver
                                > > > Kit" where they have added a digital menu display and band displays. Any
                                > > > body want to tell me more how compatible these are this the softrock
                                > > units.
                                > > >
                                > > > My goal is to build a very light weight portable backpack all mode
                                > > Digital
                                > > > transceiver capable to work available bands when in the wilderness.
                                > > I have
                                > > > done some 50 mile hikes in the wilderness and thought I would get
                                > > one more
                                > > > Hike of this type in before I get to old.
                                > > > Why all band... Who know what band is open when in the wilderness.
                                > > > Why all digital.... Same logic.
                                > > > Lightweight because of limited weight for a 7 day or 10 day hike.
                                > > >
                                > > > We can take this discussion off the group postings and go direct.
                                > > >
                                > > > I really didn't want to take a laptop so i can save room for food in my
                                > > > backpack.
                                > > >
                                > > > Thanks for reading this hope you can help me with this goal.
                                > > >
                                > > > Dean KB7ANL Twin Falls, Idaho kb7anl@ <mailto:kb7anl%40yahoo.com>
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                >
                                >
                                > --
                                > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                                > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                                > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                                > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                                >





                                -- 
                                Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                                Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                                Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                                Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                                
                              • Sid Boyce
                                The ODROID-X with the HiQSDR work well with ghpsdr3-alex. I call the HiQSDR little brother to Hermes, similar specs and components with Hermes having the
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                                  The ODROID-X with the HiQSDR work well with ghpsdr3-alex.

                                  I call the HiQSDR little brother to Hermes, similar specs and components with Hermes having the better ADC, the same FPGA but more capacity.

                                  Both use Ethernet which gets rid of the horrible sound card issues.
                                  73 ... Sid.


                                  On 14/12/12 16:11, John Greusel wrote:
                                   
                                  Gordon,

                                  Is my overall thought correct that a Hermes class SDR isn't going to require "heavy lifting?"
                                  Sid has been experimenting with small cpus, linux and DDC- Sid what's your experience?

                                  John
                                   



                                  From: "gordon@..." <gordon@...>
                                  To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:36 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                                   
                                  On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 06:52:45AM -0800, John Greusel wrote:
                                  > I just had an interesting thought about portable.
                                  > The Apache-Labs/Hermes doesn't require IQ processing so you could use a modest CPU (in a very small form factor) as a portable unit.

                                  The actual I/Q processing to demodulate SSB can be done on just about anything. It's the FIR filter that sucks CPU power. If you're running it on a PC, you need a minimum of a 233MHz processor to do the FIR and demodulation.

                                  --
                                  Gordonjcp MM0YEQ





                                  -- 
                                  Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                                  Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                                  Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                                  Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                                  
                                • The Silver Fox
                                  I’m not trying to sway his mind and agreed with those approaches in an earlier reply. However, I believe he still would be challenged to have band
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                                    I’m not trying to sway his mind and agreed with those approaches in an earlier reply.  However, I believe he still would be challenged to have band versatility beyond what is offered by the base SDR.

                                    73,

                                    Alan

                                     

                                     

                                    From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Greusel
                                    Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:59 AM
                                    To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                                     

                                     

                                    Alan,

                                     

                                    Dean is looking to construct a backpackable transceiver- probably without a computer.

                                    I think (and I could be wrong) that the SDR2GO and the Cube are the only two candidates for that setup.

                                     

                                    John

                                    KC9OJV

                                     

                                     


                                    From: The Silver Fox <alan.r.hill@...>
                                    To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 1:51 PM
                                    Subject: RE: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                                     

                                     

                                    I have not heard anyone having difficulty interfacing the UHFSDR to the mobokit.  As mentioned before this kit has about everything you could ask for in terms of computer controlled filters and devices.

                                    73,

                                    Alan – W6ARH

                                     

                                    UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html  $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Greusel
                                    Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:13 AM
                                    To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                                     

                                     

                                    Dean,

                                     

                                    I was thinking this morning- well if he really wants to build a rugged sdr based multiband radio what would be the best approach?

                                    I think the UHFSDR might give you the band fluidity you want. There are already people that have coupled that device to the SDR2GO. The troubles are a lack of bandpass filters ( that's being worked on) and an amplifer- solutions available there too. The reality is that there isn't that much new development needed for this to work. You're giving yourself a packaging project not a "develop a unique RF platform" project. That's completely OK because the packaging is a big problem and a big hurtle for many. Initially I think you might want to just build a softrock, then try getting it talking to SDR2GO and finally build a UHFSDR with LP/BPF system and amplifer and try to integrate that into a compact portable package. I still think a portable multiband Bitx would be much easier to implement but it sounds like easy and expedient isn't what you're looking for. I'm anxious to see what you come up with.

                                     

                                    73s

                                    John

                                    KC9OJV

                                     

                                     


                                    From: kb7anl <kb7anl@...>
                                    To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:22 AM
                                    Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"

                                     

                                     


                                    John,
                                    Thanks for your dialog. This information is new to me.....
                                    The Commercial side does have it place with durability. So maybe this is "silliness" to many. Why go out to the wilderness with potential issues? Why explore or test? John im not jumping out of a plane without a parachute. I'm adding to my enjoyment of a 7-10 day walk in the wilderness with me adding adding extra weight to my backpack.
                                    My soapbox....The history of Ham Radio has a two edge sword Amateur and commercial.
                                    So many of the Home Brew Group has plowed the path for Commercial radio many of the greatest engineers do not work for the commercial industry. They were what they called as "tinkerers" in the old day "experimenters". We have grown it rely on Commercial to Far.
                                    This is what ham radio is to me. I want to pull together from those different Home design groups and use there knowledge to make this work.
                                    I have a lot to learn and I'm posting this to find out where we stand in the Home Brew groups. Then pull them together for my excursion.
                                    WOW i got this off my chest. Sorry nothing to you or your comment just proving that kits like this from Softrock have a place in the real world. Better than sitting on a bench as a toy we look at from time to time and say oh ya i made one contact on it then turn over to our commercial unit.
                                    History of ham radio has been good to us look at all the toys at our disposal in today's world.
                                    In My mind Packet radio was the advent of today's Email and texting.

                                    OK i will shut down.
                                    John your right the KX3 would stop me from experimenting instead of looking at Softrock.

                                    73
                                    Dean
                                    KB7ANL
                                    Twin Falls, IDaho

                                    --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, John Greusel <greusel@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >  Dean,
                                    >
                                    > The comments (from Sid and Alan) are not really new information. They're just answering your questions.
                                    > As one who has taken a softrock "into the field" I can say it's doable.
                                    > Is it the optimum field radio- no. If I was really seriously heading for the hills I'd opt for a KX3 or an 817.
                                    > There's nothing rugged about a Mobo, SDR2GO or a Cube. You could develop a rugged package for them but I don't know if it's worth the trouble when there are already very good portable transceivers available.
                                    > The Bitx multiband version would probably be a better candidate for creating a multiband "rugged" field radio- it's simpler hence a bit less fragile.
                                    >
                                    > Just my opinion,
                                    >
                                    > John
                                    > KC9OJV
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ________________________________
                                    > From: kb7anl <kb7anl@...>
                                    > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:35 PM
                                    > Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >  
                                    > Sid/Alan
                                    > This really is helping me. I'm using your information and talking to each one of them to verify all the information and the "mergability" or "merge-ability" is that a word?.... Oh well the ability of each unit to merge and work together with success. Learning the limitations of each may refine the goal.
                                    > Like a few have mentioned buy the elecraft KX3 and get your battery and antenna and go.
                                    >
                                    > So many DIY groups need some attention and this journey may spearhead some others to join in.
                                    > Thanks again for your suggestions. Lets keep going.
                                    > Dean
                                    > KB7ANL
                                    > Twin Falls, Idaho
                                    >
                                    > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce <sboyce@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > The Mobo mates with the SR63ng from yoyodyneconsulting.ca or with the no
                                    > > longer available SR v6.3 modified with footer sockets replacing some of
                                    > > the header pins so it fits in the SR v6.3 like it does with the SR63ng.
                                    > >
                                    > > It also ouputs 5W.
                                    > >
                                    > > With that approach you need a PC, laptop or netbook and a second (USB
                                    > > preferred) sound card.
                                    > >
                                    > > The SDR2GO ("Look Ma No PC" as printed on the board) + Ensemble RXTX
                                    > > (1W) could be self contained but covers only 3 selected bands, e.g
                                    > > 80/40/30, 40/30/20, etc. It's the least painful route.
                                    > >
                                    > > I think that fills in all the blank spaces Alan.
                                    > > 73 ... Sid.
                                    > >
                                    > > On 13/12/12 21:10, The Silver Fox wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > The Mobo kit supports eight computer controlled filters that you can
                                    > > > construct to your specifications or a fixed set of filters. It also
                                    > > > has control of the Si570, pinout to control other boards (I/O board),
                                    > > > power and swr measurement (POWSR), temperature reports, support for
                                    > > > rotary encoder, display, additional amplification, a control program
                                    > > > that allows you to set many values on the board and peripherals.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > (I probably missed something...)
                                    > > >
                                    > > > 73,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Alan -- W6ARH
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                                    > > >
                                    > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                                    > > >
                                    > > > *From:*softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com]
                                    > > > *On Behalf Of *kb7anl
                                    > > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
                                    > > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > *Subject:* [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX
                                    > > > Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Alan
                                    > > > I know I'm joining a deep knowledge base so I have to catch up. So I
                                    > > > will continue to ask question to catch up.
                                    > > > If I understand your response Mobokit does not have the ability for
                                    > > > Multi-band use? What does MOBOKIT do?
                                    > > > Then Mobo has only a multi-band feature? IT has no other features?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Will Sdr2GO bring multi-band into play and all digital modes capabilities?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Do you see what I'm up against. (other than personal knowledge, Be kind)
                                    > > > I know I'm asking a lot in this idea of multi-band/multi-mode home
                                    > > > built Amateur Radio.
                                    > > > But really everything is here to complete this idea. just need to plow
                                    > > > out the information and piece it together.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I'm impressed with the softrock field of influence in the Ham Radio
                                    > > > World.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Thanks so much for your response
                                    > > > Dean
                                    > > > KB7ANL
                                    > > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, "The Silver Fox"
                                    > > > <alan.r.hill@ <mailto:alan.r.hill@>> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > The mobo does not plug directly into the Mobokit but it can be cabled to
                                    > > > > make them mate. For portable operations, I believe the SDR2GO is the
                                    > > > best
                                    > > > > approach for you.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > 73,
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Alan - W6ARH
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                                    > > > > Behalf Of kb7anl
                                    > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:40 AM
                                    > > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > > Subject: [softrock40] I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                                    > > > > Transceiver Kit"
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit" Today
                                    > > > > I thought this would be the place to ask these questions.
                                    > > > > How do i find the version of this current order?
                                    > > > > Will this version be compatible with the mobo to build this
                                    > > > transceiver in
                                    > > > > to a multiband unit?
                                    > > > > Is it wise to turn this into multiband transceiver? Does it have
                                    > > > Issues and
                                    > > > > not a good idea?
                                    > > > > This history of Transceivers with softrock seem to avoid doing
                                    > > > multiband. My
                                    > > > > logic ask why avoid this design.
                                    > > > > Now the rest of my questions are about other add on to this design.
                                    > > > > I came across SDR2GO which was using the "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                                    > > > Transceiver
                                    > > > > Kit" where they have added a digital menu display and band displays. Any
                                    > > > > body want to tell me more how compatible these are this the softrock
                                    > > > units.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > My goal is to build a very light weight portable backpack all mode
                                    > > > Digital
                                    > > > > transceiver capable to work available bands when in the wilderness.
                                    > > > I have
                                    > > > > done some 50 mile hikes in the wilderness and thought I would get
                                    > > > one more
                                    > > > > Hike of this type in before I get to old.
                                    > > > > Why all band... Who know what band is open when in the wilderness.
                                    > > > > Why all digital.... Same logic.
                                    > > > > Lightweight because of limited weight for a 7 day or 10 day hike.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > We can take this discussion off the group postings and go direct.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > I really didn't want to take a laptop so i can save room for food in my
                                    > > > > backpack.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Thanks for reading this hope you can help me with this goal.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Dean KB7ANL Twin Falls, Idaho kb7anl@ <mailto:kb7anl%40yahoo.com>
                                    > > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > --
                                    > > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                                    > > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                                    > > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                                    > > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                                    > >
                                    >

                                     

                                     

                                  • wfahle
                                    Also, experimentation can enhance your enjoyment of the appliance-operating side of the hobby. For instance, I bought a used IC-735, which is just solid state
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                                      Also, experimentation can enhance your enjoyment of the appliance-operating side of the hobby. For instance, I bought a used IC-735, which is just solid state enough to be able to work on it (not too many digital ic's). It had a problem with the headphone jack. I used my practice at troubleshooting I had learned from building a softrock to determine it was L1 on the front panel, a 100uH inductor, and I knew positively that it should have about 0 ohms resistance, and it had infinite across it. As it turned out, I had a leftover BN-43 from the kit build, and was able to use it to wind an inductor of the correct value. I unsoldered the old inductor and put the new one in.

                                      Without the kitbuild experience I would have had to pay a lot for someone else to diagnose and fix it; as it was it was a free fix from spare parts.

                                      --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, "kb7anl" <kb7anl@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > John,
                                      > Thanks for your dialog. This information is new to me.....
                                      > The Commercial side does have it place with durability. So maybe this is "silliness" to many. Why go out to the wilderness with potential issues? Why explore or test? John im not jumping out of a plane without a parachute. I'm adding to my enjoyment of a 7-10 day walk in the wilderness with me adding adding extra weight to my backpack.
                                      > My soapbox....The history of Ham Radio has a two edge sword Amateur and commercial.
                                      > So many of the Home Brew Group has plowed the path for Commercial radio many of the greatest engineers do not work for the commercial industry. They were what they called as "tinkerers" in the old day "experimenters". We have grown it rely on Commercial to Far.
                                      > This is what ham radio is to me. I want to pull together from those different Home design groups and use there knowledge to make this work.
                                      > I have a lot to learn and I'm posting this to find out where we stand in the Home Brew groups. Then pull them together for my excursion.
                                      > WOW i got this off my chest. Sorry nothing to you or your comment just proving that kits like this from Softrock have a place in the real world. Better than sitting on a bench as a toy we look at from time to time and say oh ya i made one contact on it then turn over to our commercial unit.
                                      > History of ham radio has been good to us look at all the toys at our disposal in today's world.
                                      > In My mind Packet radio was the advent of today's Email and texting.
                                      >
                                      > OK i will shut down.
                                      > John your right the KX3 would stop me from experimenting instead of looking at Softrock.
                                      >
                                      > 73
                                      > Dean
                                      > KB7ANL
                                      > Twin Falls, IDaho
                                      > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, John Greusel <greusel@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >  Dean,
                                      > >
                                      > > The comments (from Sid and Alan) are not really new information. They're just answering your questions.
                                      > > As one who has taken a softrock "into the field" I can say it's doable.
                                      > > Is it the optimum field radio- no. If I was really seriously heading for the hills I'd opt for a KX3 or an 817.
                                      > > There's nothing rugged about a Mobo, SDR2GO or a Cube. You could develop a rugged package for them but I don't know if it's worth the trouble when there are already very good portable transceivers available.
                                      > > The Bitx multiband version would probably be a better candidate for creating a multiband "rugged" field radio- it's simpler hence a bit less fragile.
                                      > >
                                      > > Just my opinion,
                                      > >
                                      > > John
                                      > > KC9OJV
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > ________________________________
                                      > > From: kb7anl <kb7anl@>
                                      > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:35 PM
                                      > > Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >  
                                      > > Sid/Alan
                                      > > This really is helping me. I'm using your information and talking to each one of them to verify all the information and the "mergability" or "merge-ability" is that a word?.... Oh well the ability of each unit to merge and work together with success. Learning the limitations of each may refine the goal.
                                      > > Like a few have mentioned buy the elecraft KX3 and get your battery and antenna and go.
                                      > >
                                      > > So many DIY groups need some attention and this journey may spearhead some others to join in.
                                      > > Thanks again for your suggestions. Lets keep going.
                                      > > Dean
                                      > > KB7ANL
                                      > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce <sboyce@> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > The Mobo mates with the SR63ng from yoyodyneconsulting.ca or with the no
                                      > > > longer available SR v6.3 modified with footer sockets replacing some of
                                      > > > the header pins so it fits in the SR v6.3 like it does with the SR63ng.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > It also ouputs 5W.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > With that approach you need a PC, laptop or netbook and a second (USB
                                      > > > preferred) sound card.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > The SDR2GO ("Look Ma No PC" as printed on the board) + Ensemble RXTX
                                      > > > (1W) could be self contained but covers only 3 selected bands, e.g
                                      > > > 80/40/30, 40/30/20, etc. It's the least painful route.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > I think that fills in all the blank spaces Alan.
                                      > > > 73 ... Sid.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > On 13/12/12 21:10, The Silver Fox wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > The Mobo kit supports eight computer controlled filters that you can
                                      > > > > construct to your specifications or a fixed set of filters. It also
                                      > > > > has control of the Si570, pinout to control other boards (I/O board),
                                      > > > > power and swr measurement (POWSR), temperature reports, support for
                                      > > > > rotary encoder, display, additional amplification, a control program
                                      > > > > that allows you to set many values on the board and peripherals.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > (I probably missed something...)
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > 73,
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Alan -- W6ARH
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > *From:*softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com]
                                      > > > > *On Behalf Of *kb7anl
                                      > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
                                      > > > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > *Subject:* [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX
                                      > > > > Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Alan
                                      > > > > I know I'm joining a deep knowledge base so I have to catch up. So I
                                      > > > > will continue to ask question to catch up.
                                      > > > > If I understand your response Mobokit does not have the ability for
                                      > > > > Multi-band use? What does MOBOKIT do?
                                      > > > > Then Mobo has only a multi-band feature? IT has no other features?
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Will Sdr2GO bring multi-band into play and all digital modes capabilities?
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Do you see what I'm up against. (other than personal knowledge, Be kind)
                                      > > > > I know I'm asking a lot in this idea of multi-band/multi-mode home
                                      > > > > built Amateur Radio.
                                      > > > > But really everything is here to complete this idea. just need to plow
                                      > > > > out the information and piece it together.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > I'm impressed with the softrock field of influence in the Ham Radio
                                      > > > > World.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Thanks so much for your response
                                      > > > > Dean
                                      > > > > KB7ANL
                                      > > > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, "The Silver Fox"
                                      > > > > <alan.r.hill@ <mailto:alan.r.hill@>> wrote:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > The mobo does not plug directly into the Mobokit but it can be cabled to
                                      > > > > > make them mate. For portable operations, I believe the SDR2GO is the
                                      > > > > best
                                      > > > > > approach for you.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > 73,
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Alan - W6ARH
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > > > [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                                      > > > > > Behalf Of kb7anl
                                      > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:40 AM
                                      > > > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > > > > Subject: [softrock40] I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                                      > > > > > Transceiver Kit"
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit" Today
                                      > > > > > I thought this would be the place to ask these questions.
                                      > > > > > How do i find the version of this current order?
                                      > > > > > Will this version be compatible with the mobo to build this
                                      > > > > transceiver in
                                      > > > > > to a multiband unit?
                                      > > > > > Is it wise to turn this into multiband transceiver? Does it have
                                      > > > > Issues and
                                      > > > > > not a good idea?
                                      > > > > > This history of Transceivers with softrock seem to avoid doing
                                      > > > > multiband. My
                                      > > > > > logic ask why avoid this design.
                                      > > > > > Now the rest of my questions are about other add on to this design.
                                      > > > > > I came across SDR2GO which was using the "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                                      > > > > Transceiver
                                      > > > > > Kit" where they have added a digital menu display and band displays. Any
                                      > > > > > body want to tell me more how compatible these are this the softrock
                                      > > > > units.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > My goal is to build a very light weight portable backpack all mode
                                      > > > > Digital
                                      > > > > > transceiver capable to work available bands when in the wilderness.
                                      > > > > I have
                                      > > > > > done some 50 mile hikes in the wilderness and thought I would get
                                      > > > > one more
                                      > > > > > Hike of this type in before I get to old.
                                      > > > > > Why all band... Who know what band is open when in the wilderness.
                                      > > > > > Why all digital.... Same logic.
                                      > > > > > Lightweight because of limited weight for a 7 day or 10 day hike.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > We can take this discussion off the group postings and go direct.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > I really didn't want to take a laptop so i can save room for food in my
                                      > > > > > backpack.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Thanks for reading this hope you can help me with this goal.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Dean KB7ANL Twin Falls, Idaho kb7anl@ <mailto:kb7anl%40yahoo.com>
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --
                                      > > > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                                      > > > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                                      > > > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                                      > > > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                    • kb7anl
                                      This is good for me to hear that also through this process comes understanding..... I m sure it will be slow but worth it. I like your statement about
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Dec 16, 2012
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                                        This is good for me to hear that also through this process comes understanding..... I'm sure it will be slow but worth it.
                                        I like your statement about appliance side of of the hobby boy am i guilty
                                        Thanks for this dialog.
                                        Dean
                                        KB7ANL
                                        Twin Falls, Idaho

                                        --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, "wfahle" <billfahle@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Also, experimentation can enhance your enjoyment of the appliance-operating side of the hobby. For instance, I bought a used IC-735, which is just solid state enough to be able to work on it (not too many digital ic's). It had a problem with the headphone jack. I used my practice at troubleshooting I had learned from building a softrock to determine it was L1 on the front panel, a 100uH inductor, and I knew positively that it should have about 0 ohms resistance, and it had infinite across it. As it turned out, I had a leftover BN-43 from the kit build, and was able to use it to wind an inductor of the correct value. I unsoldered the old inductor and put the new one in.
                                        >
                                        > Without the kitbuild experience I would have had to pay a lot for someone else to diagnose and fix it; as it was it was a free fix from spare parts.
                                        >
                                        > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, "kb7anl" <kb7anl@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > John,
                                        > > Thanks for your dialog. This information is new to me.....
                                        > > The Commercial side does have it place with durability. So maybe this is "silliness" to many. Why go out to the wilderness with potential issues? Why explore or test? John im not jumping out of a plane without a parachute. I'm adding to my enjoyment of a 7-10 day walk in the wilderness with me adding adding extra weight to my backpack.
                                        > > My soapbox....The history of Ham Radio has a two edge sword Amateur and commercial.
                                        > > So many of the Home Brew Group has plowed the path for Commercial radio many of the greatest engineers do not work for the commercial industry. They were what they called as "tinkerers" in the old day "experimenters". We have grown it rely on Commercial to Far.
                                        > > This is what ham radio is to me. I want to pull together from those different Home design groups and use there knowledge to make this work.
                                        > > I have a lot to learn and I'm posting this to find out where we stand in the Home Brew groups. Then pull them together for my excursion.
                                        > > WOW i got this off my chest. Sorry nothing to you or your comment just proving that kits like this from Softrock have a place in the real world. Better than sitting on a bench as a toy we look at from time to time and say oh ya i made one contact on it then turn over to our commercial unit.
                                        > > History of ham radio has been good to us look at all the toys at our disposal in today's world.
                                        > > In My mind Packet radio was the advent of today's Email and texting.
                                        > >
                                        > > OK i will shut down.
                                        > > John your right the KX3 would stop me from experimenting instead of looking at Softrock.
                                        > >
                                        > > 73
                                        > > Dean
                                        > > KB7ANL
                                        > > Twin Falls, IDaho
                                        > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, John Greusel <greusel@> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >  Dean,
                                        > > >
                                        > > > The comments (from Sid and Alan) are not really new information. They're just answering your questions.
                                        > > > As one who has taken a softrock "into the field" I can say it's doable.
                                        > > > Is it the optimum field radio- no. If I was really seriously heading for the hills I'd opt for a KX3 or an 817.
                                        > > > There's nothing rugged about a Mobo, SDR2GO or a Cube. You could develop a rugged package for them but I don't know if it's worth the trouble when there are already very good portable transceivers available.
                                        > > > The Bitx multiband version would probably be a better candidate for creating a multiband "rugged" field radio- it's simpler hence a bit less fragile.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Just my opinion,
                                        > > >
                                        > > > John
                                        > > > KC9OJV
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > ________________________________
                                        > > > From: kb7anl <kb7anl@>
                                        > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:35 PM
                                        > > > Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >  
                                        > > > Sid/Alan
                                        > > > This really is helping me. I'm using your information and talking to each one of them to verify all the information and the "mergability" or "merge-ability" is that a word?.... Oh well the ability of each unit to merge and work together with success. Learning the limitations of each may refine the goal.
                                        > > > Like a few have mentioned buy the elecraft KX3 and get your battery and antenna and go.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > So many DIY groups need some attention and this journey may spearhead some others to join in.
                                        > > > Thanks again for your suggestions. Lets keep going.
                                        > > > Dean
                                        > > > KB7ANL
                                        > > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce <sboyce@> wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > The Mobo mates with the SR63ng from yoyodyneconsulting.ca or with the no
                                        > > > > longer available SR v6.3 modified with footer sockets replacing some of
                                        > > > > the header pins so it fits in the SR v6.3 like it does with the SR63ng.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > It also ouputs 5W.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > With that approach you need a PC, laptop or netbook and a second (USB
                                        > > > > preferred) sound card.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > The SDR2GO ("Look Ma No PC" as printed on the board) + Ensemble RXTX
                                        > > > > (1W) could be self contained but covers only 3 selected bands, e.g
                                        > > > > 80/40/30, 40/30/20, etc. It's the least painful route.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > I think that fills in all the blank spaces Alan.
                                        > > > > 73 ... Sid.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > On 13/12/12 21:10, The Silver Fox wrote:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > The Mobo kit supports eight computer controlled filters that you can
                                        > > > > > construct to your specifications or a fixed set of filters. It also
                                        > > > > > has control of the Si570, pinout to control other boards (I/O board),
                                        > > > > > power and swr measurement (POWSR), temperature reports, support for
                                        > > > > > rotary encoder, display, additional amplification, a control program
                                        > > > > > that allows you to set many values on the board and peripherals.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > (I probably missed something...)
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > 73,
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Alan -- W6ARH
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > *From:*softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com]
                                        > > > > > *On Behalf Of *kb7anl
                                        > > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
                                        > > > > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > > *Subject:* [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX
                                        > > > > > Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Alan
                                        > > > > > I know I'm joining a deep knowledge base so I have to catch up. So I
                                        > > > > > will continue to ask question to catch up.
                                        > > > > > If I understand your response Mobokit does not have the ability for
                                        > > > > > Multi-band use? What does MOBOKIT do?
                                        > > > > > Then Mobo has only a multi-band feature? IT has no other features?
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Will Sdr2GO bring multi-band into play and all digital modes capabilities?
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Do you see what I'm up against. (other than personal knowledge, Be kind)
                                        > > > > > I know I'm asking a lot in this idea of multi-band/multi-mode home
                                        > > > > > built Amateur Radio.
                                        > > > > > But really everything is here to complete this idea. just need to plow
                                        > > > > > out the information and piece it together.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > I'm impressed with the softrock field of influence in the Ham Radio
                                        > > > > > World.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Thanks so much for your response
                                        > > > > > Dean
                                        > > > > > KB7ANL
                                        > > > > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, "The Silver Fox"
                                        > > > > > <alan.r.hill@ <mailto:alan.r.hill@>> wrote:
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > The mobo does not plug directly into the Mobokit but it can be cabled to
                                        > > > > > > make them mate. For portable operations, I believe the SDR2GO is the
                                        > > > > > best
                                        > > > > > > approach for you.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > 73,
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Alan - W6ARH
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        > > > > > [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                                        > > > > > > Behalf Of kb7anl
                                        > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:40 AM
                                        > > > > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                        > > > > > > Subject: [softrock40] I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                                        > > > > > > Transceiver Kit"
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit" Today
                                        > > > > > > I thought this would be the place to ask these questions.
                                        > > > > > > How do i find the version of this current order?
                                        > > > > > > Will this version be compatible with the mobo to build this
                                        > > > > > transceiver in
                                        > > > > > > to a multiband unit?
                                        > > > > > > Is it wise to turn this into multiband transceiver? Does it have
                                        > > > > > Issues and
                                        > > > > > > not a good idea?
                                        > > > > > > This history of Transceivers with softrock seem to avoid doing
                                        > > > > > multiband. My
                                        > > > > > > logic ask why avoid this design.
                                        > > > > > > Now the rest of my questions are about other add on to this design.
                                        > > > > > > I came across SDR2GO which was using the "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                                        > > > > > Transceiver
                                        > > > > > > Kit" where they have added a digital menu display and band displays. Any
                                        > > > > > > body want to tell me more how compatible these are this the softrock
                                        > > > > > units.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > My goal is to build a very light weight portable backpack all mode
                                        > > > > > Digital
                                        > > > > > > transceiver capable to work available bands when in the wilderness.
                                        > > > > > I have
                                        > > > > > > done some 50 mile hikes in the wilderness and thought I would get
                                        > > > > > one more
                                        > > > > > > Hike of this type in before I get to old.
                                        > > > > > > Why all band... Who know what band is open when in the wilderness.
                                        > > > > > > Why all digital.... Same logic.
                                        > > > > > > Lightweight because of limited weight for a 7 day or 10 day hike.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > We can take this discussion off the group postings and go direct.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > I really didn't want to take a laptop so i can save room for food in my
                                        > > > > > > backpack.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Thanks for reading this hope you can help me with this goal.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Dean KB7ANL Twin Falls, Idaho kb7anl@ <mailto:kb7anl%40yahoo.com>
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > --
                                        > > > > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                                        > > > > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                                        > > > > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                                        > > > > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                                        > > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        >
                                      • kb7anl
                                        Everybody Sway away your information and in your in put is Wanted. Some information has come in about using a tablet or Ipad Smart phone for SDR usage. Now
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                                          Everybody "Sway away" your information and in your in put is Wanted.
                                          Some information has come in about using a tablet or Ipad Smart phone for SDR usage. Now The Laptop weight and power need is down to a smart device runing SDR. Or Hrd mobile.
                                          Good options as this trail of discovery gos on.
                                          Thanks to everyone.
                                          Dean
                                          KB7ANL@...
                                          Twin Falls


                                          --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, "The Silver Fox" <alan.r.hill@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > I’m not trying to sway his mind and agreed with those approaches in an earlier reply. However, I believe he still would be challenged to have band versatility beyond what is offered by the base SDR.
                                          >
                                          > 73,
                                          >
                                          > Alan
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Greusel
                                          > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:59 AM
                                          > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Alan,
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Dean is looking to construct a backpackable transceiver- probably without a computer.
                                          >
                                          > I think (and I could be wrong) that the SDR2GO and the Cube are the only two candidates for that setup.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > John
                                          >
                                          > KC9OJV
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > _____
                                          >
                                          > From: The Silver Fox <alan.r.hill@...>
                                          > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 1:51 PM
                                          > Subject: RE: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > I have not heard anyone having difficulty interfacing the UHFSDR to the mobokit. As mentioned before this kit has about everything you could ask for in terms of computer controlled filters and devices.
                                          >
                                          > 73,
                                          >
                                          > Alan â€" W6ARH
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                                          >
                                          > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Greusel
                                          > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:13 AM
                                          > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Dean,
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > I was thinking this morning- well if he really wants to build a rugged sdr based multiband radio what would be the best approach?
                                          >
                                          > I think the UHFSDR might give you the band fluidity you want. There are already people that have coupled that device to the SDR2GO. The troubles are a lack of bandpass filters ( that's being worked on) and an amplifer- solutions available there too. The reality is that there isn't that much new development needed for this to work. You're giving yourself a packaging project not a "develop a unique RF platform" project. That's completely OK because the packaging is a big problem and a big hurtle for many. Initially I think you might want to just build a softrock, then try getting it talking to SDR2GO and finally build a UHFSDR with LP/BPF system and amplifer and try to integrate that into a compact portable package. I still think a portable multiband Bitx would be much easier to implement but it sounds like easy and expedient isn't what you're looking for. I'm anxious to see what you come up with.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > 73s
                                          >
                                          > John
                                          >
                                          > KC9OJV
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > _____
                                          >
                                          > From: kb7anl <kb7anl@...>
                                          > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:22 AM
                                          > Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > John,
                                          > Thanks for your dialog. This information is new to me.....
                                          > The Commercial side does have it place with durability. So maybe this is "silliness" to many. Why go out to the wilderness with potential issues? Why explore or test? John im not jumping out of a plane without a parachute. I'm adding to my enjoyment of a 7-10 day walk in the wilderness with me adding adding extra weight to my backpack.
                                          > My soapbox....The history of Ham Radio has a two edge sword Amateur and commercial.
                                          > So many of the Home Brew Group has plowed the path for Commercial radio many of the greatest engineers do not work for the commercial industry. They were what they called as "tinkerers" in the old day "experimenters". We have grown it rely on Commercial to Far.
                                          > This is what ham radio is to me. I want to pull together from those different Home design groups and use there knowledge to make this work.
                                          > I have a lot to learn and I'm posting this to find out where we stand in the Home Brew groups. Then pull them together for my excursion.
                                          > WOW i got this off my chest. Sorry nothing to you or your comment just proving that kits like this from Softrock have a place in the real world. Better than sitting on a bench as a toy we look at from time to time and say oh ya i made one contact on it then turn over to our commercial unit.
                                          > History of ham radio has been good to us look at all the toys at our disposal in today's world.
                                          > In My mind Packet radio was the advent of today's Email and texting.
                                          >
                                          > OK i will shut down.
                                          > John your right the KX3 would stop me from experimenting instead of looking at Softrock.
                                          >
                                          > 73
                                          > Dean
                                          > KB7ANL
                                          > Twin Falls, IDaho
                                          > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com> , John Greusel <greusel@> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > Â Dean,
                                          > >
                                          > > The comments (from Sid and Alan) are not really new information. They're just answering your questions.
                                          > > As one who has taken a softrock "into the field" I can say it's doable.
                                          > > Is it the optimum field radio- no. If I was really seriously heading for the hills I'd opt for a KX3 or an 817.
                                          > > There's nothing rugged about a Mobo, SDR2GO or a Cube. You could develop a rugged package for them but I don't know if it's worth the trouble when there are already very good portable transceivers available.
                                          > > The Bitx multiband version would probably be a better candidate for creating a multiband "rugged" field radio- it's simpler hence a bit less fragile.
                                          > >
                                          > > Just my opinion,
                                          > >
                                          > > John
                                          > > KC9OJV
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > ________________________________
                                          > > From: kb7anl <kb7anl@>
                                          > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:35 PM
                                          > > Subject: [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > Â
                                          > > Sid/Alan
                                          > > This really is helping me. I'm using your information and talking to each one of them to verify all the information and the "mergability" or "merge-ability" is that a word?.... Oh well the ability of each unit to merge and work together with success. Learning the limitations of each may refine the goal.
                                          > > Like a few have mentioned buy the elecraft KX3 and get your battery and antenna and go.
                                          > >
                                          > > So many DIY groups need some attention and this journey may spearhead some others to join in.
                                          > > Thanks again for your suggestions. Lets keep going.
                                          > > Dean
                                          > > KB7ANL
                                          > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                                          > >
                                          > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com> , Sid Boyce <sboyce@> wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > The Mobo mates with the SR63ng from yoyodyneconsulting.ca <http://yoyodyneconsulting.ca/> or with the no
                                          > > > longer available SR v6.3 modified with footer sockets replacing some of
                                          > > > the header pins so it fits in the SR v6.3 like it does with the SR63ng.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > It also ouputs 5W.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > With that approach you need a PC, laptop or netbook and a second (USB
                                          > > > preferred) sound card.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > The SDR2GO ("Look Ma No PC" as printed on the board) + Ensemble RXTX
                                          > > > (1W) could be self contained but covers only 3 selected bands, e.g
                                          > > > 80/40/30, 40/30/20, etc. It's the least painful route.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > I think that fills in all the blank spaces Alan.
                                          > > > 73 ... Sid.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > On 13/12/12 21:10, The Silver Fox wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > The Mobo kit supports eight computer controlled filters that you can
                                          > > > > construct to your specifications or a fixed set of filters. It also
                                          > > > > has control of the Si570, pinout to control other boards (I/O board),
                                          > > > > power and swr measurement (POWSR), temperature reports, support for
                                          > > > > rotary encoder, display, additional amplification, a control program
                                          > > > > that allows you to set many values on the board and peripherals.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > (I probably missed something...)
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > 73,
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Alan -- W6ARH
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > *From:*softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:%2Asoftrock40%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com> ]
                                          > > > > *On Behalf Of *kb7anl
                                          > > > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
                                          > > > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > *Subject:* [softrock40] Re: I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX
                                          > > > > Ensemble Transceiver Kit"
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Alan
                                          > > > > I know I'm joining a deep knowledge base so I have to catch up. So I
                                          > > > > will continue to ask question to catch up.
                                          > > > > If I understand your response Mobokit does not have the ability for
                                          > > > > Multi-band use? What does MOBOKIT do?
                                          > > > > Then Mobo has only a multi-band feature? IT has no other features?
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Will Sdr2GO bring multi-band into play and all digital modes capabilities?
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Do you see what I'm up against. (other than personal knowledge, Be kind)
                                          > > > > I know I'm asking a lot in this idea of multi-band/multi-mode home
                                          > > > > built Amateur Radio.
                                          > > > > But really everything is here to complete this idea. just need to plow
                                          > > > > out the information and piece it together.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > I'm impressed with the softrock field of influence in the Ham Radio
                                          > > > > World.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Thanks so much for your response
                                          > > > > Dean
                                          > > > > KB7ANL
                                          > > > > Twin Falls, Idaho
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>, "The Silver Fox"
                                          > > > > <alan.r.hill@ <mailto:alan.r.hill@>> wrote:
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > The mobo does not plug directly into the Mobokit but it can be cabled to
                                          > > > > > make them mate. For portable operations, I believe the SDR2GO is the
                                          > > > > best
                                          > > > > > approach for you.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > 73,
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Alan - W6ARH
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Mobokits http://mobokits.stormwarning.org/
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > UHFSDR Full Kit http://wb6dhw.com/For_Sale.html $206 US $210 DX (Paypal)
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                                          > > > > > Behalf Of kb7anl
                                          > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:40 AM
                                          > > > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > > > Subject: [softrock40] I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                                          > > > > > Transceiver Kit"
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > I was about to order "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble Transceiver Kit" Today
                                          > > > > > I thought this would be the place to ask these questions.
                                          > > > > > How do i find the version of this current order?
                                          > > > > > Will this version be compatible with the mobo to build this
                                          > > > > transceiver in
                                          > > > > > to a multiband unit?
                                          > > > > > Is it wise to turn this into multiband transceiver? Does it have
                                          > > > > Issues and
                                          > > > > > not a good idea?
                                          > > > > > This history of Transceivers with softrock seem to avoid doing
                                          > > > > multiband. My
                                          > > > > > logic ask why avoid this design.
                                          > > > > > Now the rest of my questions are about other add on to this design.
                                          > > > > > I came across SDR2GO which was using the "SoftRock RXTX Ensemble
                                          > > > > Transceiver
                                          > > > > > Kit" where they have added a digital menu display and band displays. Any
                                          > > > > > body want to tell me more how compatible these are this the softrock
                                          > > > > units.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > My goal is to build a very light weight portable backpack all mode
                                          > > > > Digital
                                          > > > > > transceiver capable to work available bands when in the wilderness.
                                          > > > > I have
                                          > > > > > done some 50 mile hikes in the wilderness and thought I would get
                                          > > > > one more
                                          > > > > > Hike of this type in before I get to old.
                                          > > > > > Why all band... Who know what band is open when in the wilderness.
                                          > > > > > Why all digital.... Same logic.
                                          > > > > > Lightweight because of limited weight for a 7 day or 10 day hike.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > We can take this discussion off the group postings and go direct.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > I really didn't want to take a laptop so i can save room for food in my
                                          > > > > > backpack.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Thanks for reading this hope you can help me with this goal.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Dean KB7ANL Twin Falls, Idaho kb7anl@ <mailto:kb7anl%40yahoo.com>
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > --
                                          > > > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                                          > > > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                                          > > > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                                          > > > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          >
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