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Remote listening to a Softrock receive over a network, maybe remote control too?

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  • Chris Wilson
    22/10/2012 11:40 I have a basic hard wired and (spit) internet over mains network to three other rooms in the house and to my workshop, from my shack . What s
    Message 1 of 18 , Oct 22, 2012
      22/10/2012 11:40

      I have a basic hard wired and (spit) internet over mains network to
      three other rooms in the house and to my workshop, from my "shack".
      What's the easiest way to say listen to the Softrock Ensemble II
      receiver in the shack, whilst in the bedroom or kitchen? I was
      thinking of Real VNC, but does that allow the transmission of sound, and
      would it also let me to control the reception frequency etcetera? OS is
      Windows XP Professional.


      Thanks.

      --
      Best Regards,
      Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
      mailto: chris@...
    • Norman - M0JEC
      I use SDR-Radio for this (also can give access to your radio to the outside world when you re not using it) works well for me. There are other options, but
      Message 2 of 18 , Oct 22, 2012
        I use SDR-Radio for this (also can give access to your radio to the outside
        world when you're not using it) works well for me.

        There are other options, but AFAIK you can't relay the audio usung VNC type
        connections.

        Norman
        M0JEC
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Chris Wilson" <chris@...>
        To: <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:45 AM
        Subject: [softrock40] Remote listening to a Softrock receive over a network,
        maybe remote control too?


        >
        >
        > 22/10/2012 11:40
        >
        > I have a basic hard wired and (spit) internet over mains network to
        > three other rooms in the house and to my workshop, from my "shack".
        > What's the easiest way to say listen to the Softrock Ensemble II
        > receiver in the shack, whilst in the bedroom or kitchen? I was
        > thinking of Real VNC, but does that allow the transmission of sound, and
        > would it also let me to control the reception frequency etcetera? OS is
        > Windows XP Professional.
        >
        >
        > Thanks.
        >
        > --
        > Best Regards,
        > Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
        > mailto: chris@...
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      • MIKE DURKIN
        Server: Ubuntu & ghpsdr3-alex Client: windows/linux/mac ghpsdr3-alex(QtRadio ) Mike KC7NOA
        Message 3 of 18 , Oct 22, 2012
          Server: Ubuntu & ghpsdr3-alex
          Client: windows/linux/mac ghpsdr3-alex(QtRadio )

          Mike KC7NOA

          > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
          > From: chris@chriswilson.tv
          > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:45:28 +0100
          > Subject: [softrock40] Remote listening to a Softrock receive over a network, maybe remote control too?
          >
          >
          >
          > 22/10/2012 11:40
          >
          > I have a basic hard wired and (spit) internet over mains network to
          > three other rooms in the house and to my workshop, from my "shack".
          > What's the easiest way to say listen to the Softrock Ensemble II
          > receiver in the shack, whilst in the bedroom or kitchen? I was
          > thinking of Real VNC, but does that allow the transmission of sound, and
          > would it also let me to control the reception frequency etcetera? OS is
          > Windows XP Professional.
          >
          >
          > Thanks.
          >
          > --
          > Best Regards,
          > Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
          > mailto: chris@chriswilson.tv
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        • Sid Boyce
          http://napan.ca/ghpsdr3/index.php/Main_Page for details of ghpsdr3-alex. 73 ... Sid. ... -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
          Message 4 of 18 , Oct 22, 2012
            http://napan.ca/ghpsdr3/index.php/Main_Page for details of ghpsdr3-alex.
            73 ... Sid.

            On 22/10/12 16:01, MIKE DURKIN wrote:
             

            Server: Ubuntu & ghpsdr3-alex
            Client: windows/linux/mac ghpsdr3-alex(QtRadio )

            Mike KC7NOA

            > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
            > From: chris@...
            > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:45:28 +0100
            > Subject: [softrock40] Remote listening to a Softrock receive over a network, maybe remote control too?
            >
            >
            >
            > 22/10/2012 11:40
            >
            > I have a basic hard wired and (spit) internet over mains network to
            > three other rooms in the house and to my workshop, from my "shack".
            > What's the easiest way to say listen to the Softrock Ensemble II
            > receiver in the shack, whilst in the bedroom or kitchen? I was
            > thinking of Real VNC, but does that allow the transmission of sound, and
            > would it also let me to control the reception frequency etcetera? OS is
            > Windows XP Professional.
            >
            >
            > Thanks.
            >
            > --
            > Best Regards,
            > Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
            > mailto: chris@...
            >
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          • Kevin Kleinfelter
            I can t find it right now, but I recently read of someone using Skype to relay the sound. Set up the host to send its sound to Skype as the output device, and
            Message 5 of 18 , Oct 22, 2012
              I can't find it right now, but I recently read of someone using Skype
              to relay the sound. Set up the host to send its sound to Skype as the
              output device, and on the client computer you just run Skype to
              connect to the host.

              If you go this route, let us know how it works!
              Kevin / K4KPK
            • Alex
              To get a taste if what it is like to remotely listen to and control a soft rock, and if you have an android phone or tab, download the app glSDR from Android
              Message 6 of 18 , Oct 22, 2012
                To get a taste if what it is like to remotely listen to and control a soft rock, and if you have an android phone or tab, download the app glSDR from Android PLAY.

                73 Alex

                --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Sid Boyce <sboyce@...> wrote:
                >
                > http://napan.ca/ghpsdr3/index.php/Main_Page for details of ghpsdr3-alex.
                > 73 ... Sid.
                >
                > On 22/10/12 16:01, MIKE DURKIN wrote:
                > >
                > > Server: Ubuntu & ghpsdr3-alex
                > > Client: windows/linux/mac ghpsdr3-alex(QtRadio )
                > >
                > > Mike KC7NOA
                > >
                > > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                > > > From: chris@...
                > > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:45:28 +0100
                > > > Subject: [softrock40] Remote listening to a Softrock receive over a
                > > network, maybe remote control too?
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > 22/10/2012 11:40
                > > >
                > > > I have a basic hard wired and (spit) internet over mains network to
                > > > three other rooms in the house and to my workshop, from my "shack".
                > > > What's the easiest way to say listen to the Softrock Ensemble II
                > > > receiver in the shack, whilst in the bedroom or kitchen? I was
                > > > thinking of Real VNC, but does that allow the transmission of sound, and
                > > > would it also let me to control the reception frequency etcetera? OS is
                > > > Windows XP Professional.
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Thanks.
                > > >
                > > > --
                > > > Best Regards,
                > > > Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
                > > > mailto: chris@...
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ------------------------------------
                > > >
                > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                >
                >
                > --
                > Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                > Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                > Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                > Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                >
              • Chris Wilson
                ... 23/10/2012 00:14 Sid: ghpsdr3-alex sounds way over my head, but thanks anyway. Kevin, I had a disastrous experience with a scammer on Skype that took me
                Message 7 of 18 , Oct 22, 2012
                  >
                  > I can't find it right now, but I recently read of someone using Skype
                  > to relay the sound. Set up the host to send its sound to Skype as the
                  > output device, and on the client computer you just run Skype to
                  > connect to the host.

                  > If you go this route, let us know how it works!
                  > Kevin / K4KPK
                  >



                  23/10/2012 00:14

                  Sid: ghpsdr3-alex sounds way over my head, but thanks anyway.

                  Kevin, I had a disastrous experience with a scammer on Skype that took
                  me ages to resolve, and still cost me money, I would never use Skype
                  again, sorry :) Ever tried to find a direct contact phone number for
                  Skype...?

                  Would something as simple as Windows Remote Desktop work? It appears
                  it allows audio transmission.

                  Real VNC does not do audio, as far as I am able to ascertain, so that
                  would be of no use.

                  --
                  Best Regards,
                  Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
                • James Harvey
                  Greetings... My approach would be to connect via Remote Desktop (or the Mac/Linux equivalent) , i.e., bring the desktop of the receiving computer to the laptop
                  Message 8 of 18 , Oct 22, 2012
                    Greetings...
                    My approach would be to connect via Remote Desktop (or the Mac/Linux equivalent) , i.e., bring the desktop of the receiving computer to the laptop sitting on your lap. Sending a stream outbound to Skype and back is workable but uses more resources.

                    73, Jim

                  • Sid Boyce
                    In addition to Alex s suggestion of glSDR from Google Play, there is a Windows package http://napan.com/ve9gj/qtradio-master-2012-10-16.zip 73 ... Sid. ... --
                    Message 9 of 18 , Oct 22, 2012
                      In addition to Alex's suggestion of glSDR from Google Play, there is a Windows package

                      http://napan.com/ve9gj/qtradio-master-2012-10-16.zip
                      73 ... Sid.

                      On 23/10/12 00:18, Chris Wilson wrote:
                       



                      >
                      > I can't find it right now, but I recently read of someone using Skype
                      > to relay the sound. Set up the host to send its sound to Skype as the
                      > output device, and on the client computer you just run Skype to
                      > connect to the host.

                      > If you go this route, let us know how it works!
                      > Kevin / K4KPK
                      >

                      23/10/2012 00:14

                      Sid: ghpsdr3-alex sounds way over my head, but thanks anyway.

                      Kevin, I had a disastrous experience with a scammer on Skype that took
                      me ages to resolve, and still cost me money, I would never use Skype
                      again, sorry :) Ever tried to find a direct contact phone number for
                      Skype...?

                      Would something as simple as Windows Remote Desktop work? It appears
                      it allows audio transmission.

                      Real VNC does not do audio, as far as I am able to ascertain, so that
                      would be of no use.

                      --
                      Best Regards,
                      Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY



                      -- 
                      Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                      Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                      Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                      Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                      
                    • Kevin Kleinfelter
                      To paraphrase a famous commercial, Some things in life are priceless. For everything else, there s single use credit card numbers. (See
                      Message 10 of 18 , Oct 23, 2012
                        To paraphrase a famous commercial, "Some things in life are priceless.  For everything else, there's single use credit card numbers."  (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_payment_number , if you're unfamiliar with these.)

                        On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Chris Wilson <chris@...> wrote:

                        Kevin, I had a disastrous experience with a scammer on Skype that took
                        me ages to resolve, and still cost me money, I would never use Skype
                        again, sorry :) Ever tried to find a direct contact phone number for
                        Skype...?

                      • kcmuthumani
                        Hi Chris, I have about the same setup as you do but with both softrock and regular receivers, basically I use UltraVnc to control the receiver, for audio I
                        Message 11 of 18 , Oct 23, 2012
                          Hi Chris,

                          I have about the same setup as you do but with both softrock and regular receivers, basically I use UltraVnc to control the receiver, for audio I use a program all p2p music server, the server runs on the remote system and the client on the system you want to listen to. You might have to use Virtual Audio Cable if your soundcard does not have stereo mix.

                          The audio streaming software's latency is very low, hardly any lag in the audio on my lan, be it wifi or wired. The reason I use UltraVNC instead of RealVnc is because they have a mirror driver for the VNC server that really speeds up the refresh rate of the server's video, handy when using HDSDR to tune the softrock.

                          You can get the p2p music server at http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Other-AUDIO-Tools/p2p-Music.shtml its really small and freeware. I have been using it for around 2 years with no problem. If you need more help msg me.

                          Kelvin

                          --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Chris Wilson <chris@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 22/10/2012 11:40
                          >
                          > I have a basic hard wired and (spit) internet over mains network to
                          > three other rooms in the house and to my workshop, from my "shack".
                          > What's the easiest way to say listen to the Softrock Ensemble II
                          > receiver in the shack, whilst in the bedroom or kitchen? I was
                          > thinking of Real VNC, but does that allow the transmission of sound, and
                          > would it also let me to control the reception frequency etcetera? OS is
                          > Windows XP Professional.
                          >
                          >
                          > Thanks.
                          >
                          > --
                          > Best Regards,
                          > Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
                          > mailto: chris@...
                          >
                        • w4kaz
                          A quick n dirty(and relatively inexpensive) solution for the audio out portion of the problem might be to use one of the FM/MP3 automobile devices. I have a
                          Message 12 of 18 , Oct 24, 2012
                            A quick n dirty(and relatively inexpensive) solution for the audio out portion of the problem might be to use one of the FM/MP3 automobile devices.

                            I have a Scosche FMT4(13 USD retail). The range is lousy, but can be helped by a good FM tuner or careful rx antenna tweaking.

                            Use remote desktop or whatever to hook into the remote computer for software control. Here I can get the audio in most of the house via FM tuner.

                            Caveat: Provided there is an unoccupied FM spot in your area. Works FB here, but it is by nature prone to be a very subjective solution.

                            But I was also able to take my tunes along on last long car trip. :)

                            It takes the audio out from the soundcard headphone jack. No CPU overhead added to network.

                            73 de w4kaz

                            --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Chris Wilson <chris@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > 22/10/2012 11:40
                            >
                            > I have a basic hard wired and (spit) internet over mains network to
                            > three other rooms in the house and to my workshop, from my "shack".
                            > What's the easiest way to say listen to the Softrock Ensemble II
                            > receiver in the shack, whilst in the bedroom or kitchen? I was
                            > thinking of Real VNC, but does that allow the transmission of sound, and
                            > would it also let me to control the reception frequency etcetera? OS is
                            > Windows XP Professional.
                            >
                            >
                            > Thanks.
                            >
                            > --
                            > Best Regards,
                            > Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
                            > mailto: chris@...
                            >
                          • Chris Wilson
                            ... 24/10/2012 21:15 Won t remote desktop transmit whatever audio is coming from the soundcard on the server PC to the other one? Thanks for the idea though,
                            Message 13 of 18 , Oct 24, 2012
                              >
                              > A quick n dirty(and relatively inexpensive) solution for the audio
                              > out portion of the problem might be to use one of the FM/MP3 automobile devices.

                              > I have a Scosche FMT4(13 USD retail). The range is lousy, but can
                              > be helped by a good FM tuner or careful rx antenna tweaking.

                              > Use remote desktop or whatever to hook into the remote computer for
                              > software control. Here I can get the audio in most of the house via FM tuner.

                              > Caveat: Provided there is an unoccupied FM spot in your area. Works
                              > FB here, but it is by nature prone to be a very subjective solution.

                              > But I was also able to take my tunes along on last long car trip.

                              > It takes the audio out from the soundcard headphone jack. No CPU overhead added to network.

                              > 73 de w4kaz



                              24/10/2012 21:15

                              Won't remote desktop transmit whatever audio is coming from the
                              soundcard on the server PC to the other one? Thanks for the idea
                              though, ingenious!

                              --
                              Best Regards,
                              Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
                            • w4kaz
                              That is an option that can be turned off on the remote desktop login screen. Go to: Options - Local Resources and jiggle the remote audio setting to
                              Message 14 of 18 , Oct 27, 2012
                                That is an option that can be turned off on the remote desktop login screen.

                                Go to: "Options" -> "Local Resources" and jiggle the
                                "remote audio" setting to "Play on remote computer"

                                That should be good for Win XP pro, Vista Bizness, and using Win 7 home premium as the client.

                                It also works inside the shack on the remotes. Rather than use the KVM switch[a long reach from the keyboard], sometimes it is easier to to remote to the other two boxes even though they are stacked one upon the other.

                                73 es gl de w4kaz


                                --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Chris Wilson <chris@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > 24/10/2012 21:15
                                >
                                > Won't remote desktop transmit whatever audio is coming from the
                                > soundcard on the server PC to the other one? Thanks for the idea
                                > though, ingenious!
                                >
                                > --
                                > Best Regards,
                                > Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
                                >
                              • Chris Wilson
                                ... 04/11/2012 10:36 Thanks, I have now tried Windows Remote Desktop and it uses its own audio driver it installs on the server PC as soon as it s launched.
                                Message 15 of 18 , Nov 4, 2012
                                  >
                                  > Greetings...
                                  > My approach would be to connect via Remote Desktop (or the
                                  > Mac/Linux equivalent) , i.e., bring the desktop of the receiving
                                  > computer to the laptop sitting on your lap. Sending a stream
                                  > outbound to Skype and back is workable but uses more resources.

                                  > 73, Jim

                                  >


                                  04/11/2012 10:36

                                  Thanks, I have now tried Windows Remote Desktop and it uses its own
                                  audio driver it installs on the server PC as soon as it's launched.
                                  This then removes / kills the driver for the Softrock receive side in
                                  HDSDR, so no Softrock audio is transferred. Remote Desktop controls
                                  the HDSDR software just fine, but no audio. Surely there must be a
                                  demand for one shot, simple remote operation of SDR software that also
                                  transfers the audio seamlessly?

                                  I believe it was Alan on here that said building an SDR is the easy
                                  bit, battling the software is the hard part? He, or whoever it was, is
                                  quite correct :)

                                  --
                                  Best Regards,
                                  Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
                                • ac2gl
                                  Try using LogMeIn it lets me establish a link to a remote PC and control it as if I were sitting there. It also sends the audio to the PC your e sitting at.
                                  Message 16 of 18 , Nov 4, 2012
                                    Try using LogMeIn it lets me establish a link to a remote PC and control it as if I were sitting there. It also sends the audio to the PC your'e sitting at. Only for WindoZZZzzz... though.

                                    73 Dave

                                    --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Chris Wilson <chris@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > 04/11/2012 10:36
                                    >
                                    > Thanks, I have now tried Windows Remote Desktop and it uses its own
                                    > audio driver it installs on the server PC as soon as it's launched.
                                    > This then removes / kills the driver for the Softrock receive side in
                                    > HDSDR, so no Softrock audio is transferred. Remote Desktop controls
                                    > the HDSDR software just fine, but no audio. Surely there must be a
                                    > demand for one shot, simple remote operation of SDR software that also
                                    > transfers the audio seamlessly?
                                    >
                                    > I believe it was Alan on here that said building an SDR is the easy
                                    > bit, battling the software is the hard part? He, or whoever it was, is
                                    > quite correct :)
                                    >
                                    > --
                                    > Best Regards,
                                    > Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
                                    >
                                  • Chris Wilson
                                    ... 04/11/2012 22:08 Hi Dave after much fiddling I managed to get a combination of Ultra VNC and p2p Music server to co-operate and I now can listen and
                                    Message 17 of 18 , Nov 4, 2012
                                      >
                                      > Try using LogMeIn it lets me establish a link to a remote PC and
                                      > control it as if I were sitting there. It also sends the audio to
                                      > the PC your'e sitting at. Only for WindoZZZzzz... though.

                                      > 73 Dave


                                      04/11/2012 22:08


                                      Hi Dave after much fiddling I managed to get a combination of Ultra
                                      VNC and p2p Music server to co-operate and I now can listen and control
                                      my Softrock from anywhere in the house with a net connection. Took me
                                      ages, but there again i am pretty clueless with networking. Seeing it
                                      now works I am loathe to interfere with it, but many thanks for the
                                      suggestion Dave. 73 to you.



                                      --
                                      Best Regards,
                                      Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
                                    • Chris Wilson
                                      ... 04/11/2012 22:12 Hi Kelvin, after much fiddling your suggested combination is working just fine, it s taking me ages, but now it s sorted I would like to
                                      Message 18 of 18 , Nov 4, 2012
                                        >
                                        > Hi Chris,

                                        > I have about the same setup as you do but with both softrock and
                                        > regular receivers, basically I use UltraVnc to control the receiver,
                                        > for audio I use a program all p2p music server, the server runs on
                                        > the remote system and the client on the system you want to listen
                                        > to. You might have to use Virtual Audio Cable if your soundcard does not have stereo mix.

                                        > The audio streaming software's latency is very low, hardly any lag
                                        > in the audio on my lan, be it wifi or wired. The reason I use
                                        > UltraVNC instead of RealVnc is because they have a mirror driver for
                                        > the VNC server that really speeds up the refresh rate of the
                                        > server's video, handy when using HDSDR to tune the softrock.

                                        > You can get the p2p music server at
                                        > http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Other-AUDIO-Tools/p2p-Music.shtml
                                        > its really small and freeware. I have been using it for around 2
                                        > years with no problem. If you need more help msg me.

                                        > Kelvin



                                        04/11/2012 22:12

                                        Hi Kelvin, after much fiddling your suggested combination is working
                                        just fine, it's taking me ages, but now it's sorted I would like to
                                        thank you very much for your suggestion! 73 to you, thanks again
                                        Kelvin!



                                        --
                                        Best Regards,
                                        Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY
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