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  • Peter
    But first, the third installment of Using the LD-1TR will be posted later today. Now, the question is, how many of you who use Linux have either a dual-boot
    Message 1 of 17 , Mar 19, 2012

      But first, the third installment of "Using the LD-1TR" will be posted later today. Now, the question is, how many of you who use Linux have either a dual-boot PC (Linux and Windows) or have a Windows PC in and a Linux PC? I'm asking because I would really like to provide Linux support for the Lazy Dog radios. However, Linux drivers for the USB API I'm currently using (USBXpress, provided by Silicon Labs for their microcontrollers) are not available. I have found an open-source implementation of USBXpress for Linux, but I haven't been able to get it to work.

      I think switching to the HID (Human Interface Device) API might be a viable alternative. It doesn't require any special drivers for The PC, and should be OS-independent. However, the bootloader which I provide so users can install firmware updates themselves, uses USBXpress. I don't even know if it's possible to write a bootloader to use HID, and I don't plan to write my own bootloader in any case. The one I provide was developed by Silicon Labs, and works really well. Obviously, if most Linux users have a Windows machine or a dual-boot machine, this wouldn't be much of a problem. I don't release firmware updates that often. Your comments would be appreciated.

      73,
      Pete Goodmann, PE, MSEE, NI9N
      www.lazydogengineering.com
      www.garage-shoppe.com
      Inconveniently located 110 km. from Radioville, Indiana

    • Jerry Dunmire
      Hi Pete, It s always wonderful to hear about support for Linux! In my case the answer to your question is that I have no computers that dual boot. Except for
      Message 2 of 17 , Mar 19, 2012
        Hi Pete,
        It's always wonderful to hear about support for Linux!
        In my case the answer to your question is that I have no computers that dual boot. Except for one very old system, everything at my house runs Linux (these days its Ubuntu). It's been that way for 8-10 years. My dad (80+) is also a ham and both he and my mom have been (happily I might add) moving to Linux. He has a dual-boot system, but it isn't the one he uses in the shack. From time-to-time he does boot to Windows (I'm not sure which version) and he ends up very frustrated, so even though it would be 'possible' to run a windows only boot loader, it would be a very poor experience for him.

        Requiring a windows system for updates has caused me to avoid other products, so I hope that you will be able to find a USB API that works for you.

        73,
        ...jerry
        KA6HLD



        On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Peter <pete@...> wrote:
         

        But first, the third installment of "Using the LD-1TR" will be posted later today. Now, the question is, how many of you who use Linux have either a dual-boot PC (Linux and Windows) or have a Windows PC in and a Linux PC? I'm asking because I would really like to provide Linux support for the Lazy Dog radios. However, Linux drivers for the USB API I'm currently using (USBXpress, provided by Silicon Labs for their microcontrollers) are not available. I have found an open-source implementation of USBXpress for Linux, but I haven't been able to get it to work.

        I think switching to the HID (Human Interface Device) API might be a viable alternative. It doesn't require any special drivers for The PC, and should be OS-independent. However, the bootloader which I provide so users can install firmware updates themselves, uses USBXpress. I don't even know if it's possible to write a bootloader to use HID, and I don't plan to write my own bootloader in any case. The one I provide was developed by Silicon Labs, and works really well. Obviously, if most Linux users have a Windows machine or a dual-boot machine, this wouldn't be much of a problem. I don't release firmware updates that often. Your comments would be appreciated.

        73,
        Pete Goodmann, PE, MSEE, NI9N
        www.lazydogengineering.com
        www.garage-shoppe.com
        Inconveniently located 110 km. from Radioville, Indiana


      • richard
        On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:40:32 -0700 ... I concur with Jerry Pete, on the rare occasions I cant find a app on linux, I fire up a virtual machine with winthing on
        Message 3 of 17 , Mar 19, 2012
          On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:40:32 -0700
          Jerry Dunmire <jedunmire@...> wrote:

          > Hi Pete,
          > It's always wonderful to hear about support for Linux!
          > In my case the answer to your question is that I have no computers
          > that dual boot. Except for one very old system, everything at my
          > house runs Linux (these days its Ubuntu). It's been that way for 8-10
          > years. My dad (80+) is also a ham and both he and my mom have been
          > (happily I might add) moving to Linux. He has a dual-boot system, but
          > it isn't the one he uses in the shack. From time-to-time he does boot
          > to Windows (I'm not sure which version) and he ends up very
          > frustrated, so even though it would be 'possible' to run a windows
          > only boot loader, it would be a very poor experience for him.
          >
          > Requiring a windows system for updates has caused me to avoid other
          > products, so I hope that you will be able to find a USB API that
          > works for you.
          >
          > 73,
          > ...jerry
          > KA6HLD
          >


          I concur with Jerry Pete, on the rare occasions I cant find a app on
          linux, I fire up a virtual machine with winthing on it.
          I find the occasions I use win thing to be so frustrating, its costly
          on whisky.
          I also find there is a big difference in software writing between OSs.
          Linux is primarily an open source system, and software tends to follow
          the same ideals.
          Many of the, but luckily not all, software written for winthing is
          expected to make financial gain for the writer.
          Some of the cheeky ones use the linux community to do their testing
          before releasing for winthing at a price.
          I hope your contributions will be made in the spirit of the open
          community , the big advantage to you is the feedback allowing you to
          increase the performance of your software.
          I do find that the type of person who just wants to buy, power up and
          use , connect and go, is a winthing user.
          Anyone who builds and uses a Softrock is definitely not in that
          category.
          Good luck with the project and please make it available to all, anything
          made available to linux users can usually be ported to OSX.

          Thanks

          --

          --
          Best wishes / 73
          Richard Bown

          e-mail: richard@... or richard.bown@...

          nil carborundum a illegitemis
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          Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W ( degs
          mins ) QRV HF + VHF Microwave 23 cms:140W,13 cms:100W,6 cms:10W & 3
          cms:5W
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        • Stu Capon
          A little off topic for the original question but my input to the Linux thing. I have resurrected some windows installs for use with Flex-1500 and testing
          Message 4 of 17 , Mar 19, 2012
            A little off topic for the original question but my input to the Linux thing.

            I have resurrected some windows installs for use with Flex-1500 and testing SDR-Radio server I would like to forward to the time when I need not actually boot an MS operating system (unless I'm at work).
            Part of the problem is having moved away from Windows it is not running enough of the time to do the updates "in the background" so it feels like it needs major downloads for five minutes work.

            I have seen ReactOS and if this could eventually support the few Windows software I still want to run or be enough to do the firmware upgrades I really would love to use (something like) that.
            Having to buy a full retail license for Windows to run a legal virtual machine seems beyond the pail for most uses. I know there are some versions that you could run legally as a virtual machine (but not also a real install)  but if the motivation is maybe three bits of software it is one expensive shim.
            I expect MS will try to kill ReactOS in their normal way but the idea is there, just enough to do NT based commands with a small amount of ram then shutdown and get on with life.

            I have dual boot on most machines here except the one with Windows 7 on (for Photoshop etc.), that is to encourage me to not do anything sensitive on its disks, no point in having an SDR server with your credit card details on. If I had to use ONLY Windows 7 I could, likewise Ubuntu but trying to maintain a Windows box for occasional use is like having a Lion for Sundays, there is still a whole lot of feeding in between.

            Sorry for the ramble.

            Stu M0AQY


              On 19/03/12 16:40, Jerry Dunmire wrote:
             

            Hi Pete,
            It's always wonderful to hear about support for Linux!
            In my case the answer to your question is that I have no computers that dual boot. Except for one very old system, everything at my house runs Linux (these days its Ubuntu). It's been that way for 8-10 years. My dad (80+) is also a ham and both he and my mom have been (happily I might add) moving to Linux. He has a dual-boot system, but it isn't the one he uses in the shack. From time-to-time he does boot to Windows (I'm not sure which version) and he ends up very frustrated, so even though it would be 'possible' to run a windows only boot loader, it would be a very poor experience for him.

            Requiring a windows system for updates has caused me to avoid other products, so I hope that you will be able to find a USB API that works for you.

            73,
            ...jerry
            KA6HLD



            On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Peter <pete@...> wrote:
             

            But first, the third installment of "Using the LD-1TR" will be posted later today. Now, the question is, how many of you who use Linux have either a dual-boot PC (Linux and Windows) or have a Windows PC in and a Linux PC? I'm asking because I would really like to provide Linux support for the Lazy Dog radios. However, Linux drivers for the USB API I'm currently using (USBXpress, provided by Silicon Labs for their microcontrollers) are not available. I have found an open-source implementation of USBXpress for Linux, but I haven't been able to get it to work.

            I think switching to the HID (Human Interface Device) API might be a viable alternative. It doesn't require any special drivers for The PC, and should be OS-independent. However, the bootloader which I provide so users can install firmware updates themselves, uses USBXpress. I don't even know if it's possible to write a bootloader to use HID, and I don't plan to write my own bootloader in any case. The one I provide was developed by Silicon Labs, and works really well. Obviously, if most Linux users have a Windows machine or a dual-boot machine, this wouldn't be much of a problem. I don't release firmware updates that often. Your comments would be appreciated.

            73,
            Pete Goodmann, PE, MSEE, NI9N
            www.lazydogengineering.com
            www.garage-shoppe.com
            Inconveniently located 110 km. from Radioville, Indiana



          • Sid Boyce
            I run Linux on several x86_64 PC s, 3 Kubuntu and 3 openSUSE. On ARM I run Ubuntu on BeagleBoard, BeagleBone and Pandaboard. No Windows. There is probably no
            Message 5 of 17 , Mar 19, 2012
              I run Linux on several x86_64 PC's, 3 Kubuntu and 3 openSUSE. On ARM I run Ubuntu on BeagleBoard, BeagleBone and Pandaboard. No Windows.

              There is probably no difference between the cp210x SiLabs driver and the native kernel one, only that SiLabs additionally provide building for 2.4 where it's needed as well as for 2.6 kernels.

              For the miniVNA Pro the kernel ftdi_sio driver works so I didn't use the one they provided.

              There is the c2port driver and documentation in the kernel source - excerpt from the 3.3 kernel.

              Using the driver
              ----------------

              Once the driver is loaded you can use sysfs support to get C2port's
              info or read/write in-system flash.

              # ls /sys/class/c2port/c2port0/
              access            flash_block_size  flash_erase       rev_id
              dev_id            flash_blocks_num  flash_size        subsystem/
              flash_access      flash_data        reset             uevent

              Initially the C2port access is disabled since you hardware may have
              such lines multiplexed with other devices so, to get access to the
              C2port, you need the command:

              # echo 1 > /sys/class/c2port/c2port0/access

              after that you should read the device ID and revision ID of the
              connected micro controller:

              # cat /sys/class/c2port/c2port0/dev_id
              8
              # cat /sys/class/c2port/c2port0/rev_id
              1

              However, for security reasons, the in-system flash access in not
              enabled yet, to do so you need the command:

              # echo 1 > /sys/class/c2port/c2port0/flash_access

              After that you can read the whole flash:

              # cat /sys/class/c2port/c2port0/flash_data > image

              erase it:

              # echo 1 > /sys/class/c2port/c2port0/flash_erase

              and write it:

              # cat image > /sys/class/c2port/c2port0/flash_data

              after writing you have to reset the device to execute the new code:

              # echo 1 > /sys/class/c2port/c2port0/reset

              73 ... Sid.

              On 19/03/12 13:50, Peter wrote:
               

              But first, the third installment of "Using the LD-1TR" will be posted later today. Now, the question is, how many of you who use Linux have either a dual-boot PC (Linux and Windows) or have a Windows PC in and a Linux PC? I'm asking because I would really like to provide Linux support for the Lazy Dog radios. However, Linux drivers for the USB API I'm currently using (USBXpress, provided by Silicon Labs for their microcontrollers) are not available. I have found an open-source implementation of USBXpress for Linux, but I haven't been able to get it to work.

              I think switching to the HID (Human Interface Device) API might be a viable alternative. It doesn't require any special drivers for The PC, and should be OS-independent. However, the bootloader which I provide so users can install firmware updates themselves, uses USBXpress. I don't even know if it's possible to write a bootloader to use HID, and I don't plan to write my own bootloader in any case. The one I provide was developed by Silicon Labs, and works really well. Obviously, if most Linux users have a Windows machine or a dual-boot machine, this wouldn't be much of a problem. I don't release firmware updates that often. Your comments would be appreciated.

              73,
              Pete Goodmann, PE, MSEE, NI9N
              www.lazydogengineering.com
              www.garage-shoppe.com
              Inconveniently located 110 km. from Radioville, Indiana



              -- 
              Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot,
              Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
              Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
              Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
              
            • Dave
              Take care guys... In the genuine Ham community, most Ham Radio related software, for whatever OS, is free to the end user, and much of it is open source, or if
              Message 6 of 17 , Mar 20, 2012
                Take care guys...

                In the genuine Ham community, most Ham Radio related software, for
                whatever OS, is free to the end user, and much of it is open source, or
                if not, the author will "let you in" if you genuinly offer to help
                develop it further.

                As for having to swtitch (temporararly) to another OS to update some
                embedded firmware or similar. Why is that an issue? Unless you don't
                have a working instance of that OS I guess.

                Frustrations are caused by not being familear with the way "an other" OS
                works. Many say the same about 'nix OS's compared to Mr Gate's child.

                It's what you're used to, or not, that's the issue, not the OS (the tool)
                that causes frustration. There are several good websites about, that
                provide a comparative list of OS commands and features, and a command
                syntax cross reference too.


                I currently have machines in use, with:- (In alphabetical order.)

                FreeBSD(8.0 and 8.2)
                My servers. One main, been "up" for over 9 months now, the other as
                backup. I plan to look at PCBSD too sometime soon as well.

                Linux(Mandrake, Debian & Ubuntu)
                Mainly for doing things in C/C++, and trying to learn my way round these
                systems. Used as needed.

                Windows(2k to 7)
                Used for many things as and when needed, Ham, Home and Work. (No choice
                in the latter.) One of them (W2k) has been "up" continuiously for well
                over 6 months now, running a HF beacon monitor (Faros.)

                And a bought in dedicated NAS box, that I suspect runs a cut down or
                early version of FreeNAS internally. Used for backup, indipendantly to
                the others.

                And of course, the gateway ADSL Router, that run's some sort of Linux
                inside.

                Most of the above is run from a large UPS.

                And if you realy want, the Humax Digital TV PVR box, and the DVD
                recorder, both run Linux inside, well, the DVD recorder will when I
                eventualy re-cap it's PSU.

                (No idea about the washing machine, or the dashboard in the car...)

                None of them are multi boot. The only purpose for that, is if you carry
                only one machine about, and you also "need" more than one type of OS for
                genuine technical reasons.


                Some of the open source Ham based software and tools are genuinly very
                good. But much (not just ham stuff) sadly is pure unfinished dross (not
                even fit for Alpha release) with a glossy coating and poor to non
                existent documentation. (The same holds true in the commercial world,
                sadly...)


                73.

                Dave G0WBX.
              • j.bartley3
                Has anyone tried SoftRock running under ReactOS http://www.reactos.org/ ?
                Message 7 of 17 , Dec 11, 2013

                  Has anyone tried SoftRock running under ReactOS http://www.reactos.org/ ? 

                • Douglas Luurs
                  Just my 2 cents worth .. but this is the first time I ve heard of React .. but the site states:-   ReactOS 0.3.15 is still in alpha stage, meaning it is not
                  Message 8 of 17 , Dec 11, 2013
                    Just my 2 cents worth .. but this is the first time I've heard of React .. but the site states:-
                     
                    "ReactOS 0.3.15 is still in alpha stage, meaning it is not feature-complete and is recommended only for evaluation and testing purposes."
                     
                    Anything in Alpha is normally really buggie.  The USB Driver for the radio will be your main issue/consern.
                    I would bet that most of the people running ReactOS may have never heard of SDR, so the driver would be
                    very low on any develeopment list.

                    From: "j.bartley3@..." <j.bartley3@...>
                    To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:12 PM
                    Subject: Re: [softrock40] A Linux Question
                     
                    Has anyone tried SoftRock running under ReactOS http://www.reactos.org/ ? 
                  • cbayona
                    How is this a Linux question? ReactOS is a Windows clone in it s alpha stage, which has a long way to go before it s ready for use. Personally, SDR software
                    Message 9 of 17 , Dec 11, 2013
                      How is this a Linux question?

                      ReactOS is a Windows clone in it's alpha stage, which has a long way
                      to go before it's ready for use.

                      Personally, SDR software is difficult enough for most people to get
                      going, so why add an OS to the mix that is nowhere near ready for use.

                      At 02:12 PM 12/11/2013, you wrote:


                      >Has anyone tried SoftRock running under ReactOS http://www.reactos.org/ ?

                      --
                      Cecil - k5nwa
                      < http://thepartsplace.k5nwa.com/ > < http://www.softrockradio.org/ >

                      Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
                    • Sid Boyce
                      ... Good question. I have not looked at it in quite a while, may be years but I did once have it installed under VirtualBox running in openSUSE. I must give it
                      Message 10 of 17 , Dec 11, 2013
                        On 11/12/13 20:12, j.bartley3@... wrote:
                         

                        Has anyone tried SoftRock running under ReactOS http://www.reactos.org/

                        Good question.
                        I have not looked at it in quite a while, may be years but I did once have it installed under VirtualBox running in openSUSE.

                        I must give it a try again.

                        I tried HDSDR running under Crossover Office with the UHFSDR+SDR-Widget but I had to tune it manually via the rotary encoder - that may have been due to a missing DLL.

                        Last night I tried it with Hermes but there was no Hermes configuration available.

                        PowerSDR asked for .NET 4.0 and when I got past that it asked for mpeg123 32-bit which I couldn't get built on openSUSE x86_64.
                        Going back a number of months I got it installed and it came up OK but I didn't get around to using it. The next time I tried it, it painted the tabs one at a time as slow as treacle.
                        After upgrade to 13.1 I hit the mpeg123 32-bit problem.
                        73 ... Sid.
                        -- 
                        Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
                        Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                        Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
                        Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
                        
                      • j.bartley3
                        ... My fault. I didn t start a new thread. My interest is, since XP breaks for good in four months, to see what the alternatives are.
                        Message 11 of 17 , Dec 11, 2013

                          > How is this a Linux question?


                          My fault. I didn't start a new thread. My interest is, since XP breaks for good in four months, to see what the alternatives are.

                        • Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
                          XP doesn t actually break in four months. Systems containing XP will still work, they just won t get any additional security updates. If you have a computer
                          Message 12 of 17 , Dec 11, 2013
                            XP doesn't actually break in four months. Systems containing XP will still work, they just won't get any additional security updates.

                            If you have a computer that's just used for SDR and isn't connected to the internet, you can safely continue to use XP on it. You can bring over updates to the SDR software on burned CDs or flash drives. I wouldn't continue to use XP on any connected computer.

                            I have one computer that still runs XP because it is connected to a device programmer that has no drivers for any later version of Windows. I won't be updating that computer, but I will pull the Ethernet plug on the day XP goes out of support. I only occasionally use the programmer (and the computer that drives it) so it's no big deal, and it's an ancient computer that has essentially zero monetary value so I'm not losing anything except space by hanging onto it.




                            On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:23 AM, <j.bartley3@...> wrote:
                             

                            > How is this a Linux question?


                            My fault. I didn't start a new thread. My interest is, since XP breaks for good in four months, to see what the alternatives are.


                          • cbayona
                            Windows 7 is great, Windows 8.1 is OK, both are very reliable but if your machine is really old then Linux would be OK but lots of things are different so
                            Message 13 of 17 , Dec 11, 2013
                              Windows 7 is great, Windows 8.1 is OK, both are very reliable but if
                              your machine is really old then Linux would be OK but lots of things
                              are different so lots of learning. An Alpha OS, I don't recommend it,
                              in principle it sounds great to having a compatible Windows OS but
                              they are nowhere ready.

                              If that is not your only PC you could leave it on XP and disconnect
                              it from the Internet, and that would be fine.

                              At 11:23 PM 12/11/2013, you wrote:


                              > > How is this a Linux question?
                              >
                              >
                              >My fault. I didn't start a new thread. My interest is, since XP
                              >breaks for good in four months, to see what the alternatives are.
                              >
                              >
                              >

                              --
                              Cecil - k5nwa
                              < http://thepartsplace.k5nwa.com/ > < http://www.softrockradio.org/ >

                              Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
                            • Simon Brown
                              FWIW I find Windows 7 can run faster than XP, similarly Windows 8 is no slouch. I use Core 2 Duo systems with W7 & XP and W7 is faster. Simon Brown
                              Message 14 of 17 , Dec 12, 2013

                                FWIW I find Windows 7 can run faster than XP, similarly Windows 8 is no slouch.

                                 

                                I use Core 2 Duo systems with W7 & XP and W7 is faster.

                                 

                                Simon Brown (G4ELI/HB9DRV)
                                http://v2.sdr-radio.com

                                 

                                From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cbayona
                                Sent: 12 December 2013 07:23
                                To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [softrock40] Windows Replacement

                                 

                                 

                                Windows 7 is great, Windows 8.1 is OK, both are very reliable but if
                                your machine is really old then Linux would be OK but lots of things
                                are different so lots of learning. An Alpha OS, I don't recommend it,
                                in principle it sounds great to having a compatible Windows OS but
                                they are nowhere ready.

                                If that is not your only PC you could leave it on XP and disconnect
                                it from the Internet, and that would be fine.

                                At 11:23 PM 12/11/2013, you wrote:

                                > > How is this a Linux question?
                                >
                                >
                                >My fault. I didn't start a new thread. My interest is, since XP
                                >breaks for good in four months, to see what the alternatives are.
                                >
                                >
                                >

                                --
                                Cecil - k5nwa
                                < http://thepartsplace.k5nwa.com/ > < http://www.softrockradio.org/ >

                                Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.

                              • Clif Holland
                                My problem is an old XP machine that I need the genuine serial ports in. I doubt it has the HP to run the new software. Clif Holland KA5IPF www.avvid.com ...
                                Message 15 of 17 , Dec 12, 2013
                                  My problem is an old XP machine that I need the genuine serial ports in. I
                                  doubt it has the HP to run the new software.

                                  Clif Holland KA5IPF
                                  www.avvid.com




                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: "Simon Brown" <simon@...>
                                  To: <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:47 AM
                                  Subject: RE: [softrock40] Windows Replacement


                                  > FWIW I find Windows 7 can run faster than XP, similarly Windows 8 is no
                                  > slouch.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I use Core 2 Duo systems with W7 & XP and W7 is faster.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Simon Brown (G4ELI/HB9DRV)
                                  > http://v2.sdr-radio.com
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com] On
                                  > Behalf Of cbayona
                                  > Sent: 12 December 2013 07:23
                                  > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Windows Replacement
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Windows 7 is great, Windows 8.1 is OK, both are very reliable but if
                                  > your machine is really old then Linux would be OK but lots of things
                                  > are different so lots of learning. An Alpha OS, I don't recommend it,
                                  > in principle it sounds great to having a compatible Windows OS but
                                  > they are nowhere ready.
                                  >
                                  > If that is not your only PC you could leave it on XP and disconnect
                                  > it from the Internet, and that would be fine.
                                  >
                                  > At 11:23 PM 12/11/2013, you wrote:
                                  >
                                  >> > How is this a Linux question?
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>My fault. I didn't start a new thread. My interest is, since XP
                                  >>breaks for good in four months, to see what the alternatives are.
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >
                                  > --
                                  > Cecil - k5nwa
                                  > < http://thepartsplace.k5nwa.com/ > < http://www.softrockradio.org/ >
                                  >
                                  > Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                • Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
                                  For the most part, Windows 7 and 8 don t need more computing power than XP. (Some current applications do but that is a separate discussion.) What they DO need
                                  Message 16 of 17 , Dec 12, 2013
                                    For the most part, Windows 7 and 8 don't need more computing power than XP. (Some current applications do but that is a separate discussion.) What they DO need is more RAM; consider 2GB to be a minimum, though if you're just using the computer for ham station applications you might be able to get by with 1GB. If you have some kind of older computer with a low RAM ceiling like 512MB it will be a poor candidate for upgrading.

                                    Another issue for upgraders is that some hardware doesn't have drivers for newer versions of Windows. Things on the motherboard are usually fine, but video cards, add-on sound cards, printers, network interfaces, and unusual addons can be problematic.

                                    A lot of current motherboards have serial port headers but the port isn't brought out to the back panel; you need a separate cable that goes from the motherboard to a back panel plate. Most stores don't carry the cables, though Micro Center and Fry's might have them; they can also be found on eBay and Amazon. Parallel ports are less common but some motherboards still have them. I did a recent system build using a Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3; that board has headers for both serial and parallel ports. I don't yet have the cables for either port so I haven't tried using them.

                                    I'm talking about systems you build yourself; commercially available systems are unlikely to have serial or parallel ports either brought out or on the motherboard. Building your own desktop PC is a project that most hams should be able to handle.

                                    You can also buy PCI or PCI Express cards with serial and/or parallel ports. Those should not have the software compatibility problems that serial and parallel USB adapters sometimes have.



                                    On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Clif Holland <clif@...> wrote:
                                     

                                    My problem is an old XP machine that I need the genuine serial ports in. I
                                    doubt it has the HP to run the new software.

                                    Clif Holland KA5IPF
                                    www.avvid.com

                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: "Simon Brown" <simon@...>
                                    To: <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:47 AM
                                    Subject: RE: [softrock40] Windows Replacement

                                    > FWIW I find Windows 7 can run faster than XP, similarly Windows 8 is no
                                    > slouch.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > I use Core 2 Duo systems with W7 & XP and W7 is faster.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Simon Brown (G4ELI/HB9DRV)
                                    > http://v2.sdr-radio.com
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com] On
                                    > Behalf Of cbayona
                                    > Sent: 12 December 2013 07:23
                                    > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Windows Replacement
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Windows 7 is great, Windows 8.1 is OK, both are very reliable but if
                                    > your machine is really old then Linux would be OK but lots of things
                                    > are different so lots of learning. An Alpha OS, I don't recommend it,
                                    > in principle it sounds great to having a compatible Windows OS but
                                    > they are nowhere ready.
                                    >
                                    > If that is not your only PC you could leave it on XP and disconnect
                                    > it from the Internet, and that would be fine.
                                    >
                                    > At 11:23 PM 12/11/2013, you wrote:
                                    >
                                    >> > How is this a Linux question?
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>My fault. I didn't start a new thread. My interest is, since XP
                                    >>breaks for good in four months, to see what the alternatives are.
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >
                                    > --
                                    > Cecil - k5nwa
                                    > < http://thepartsplace.k5nwa.com/ > < http://www.softrockradio.org/ >
                                    >
                                    > Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >


                                  • Clif Holland
                                    It s maxed out at 2GB. About a 10 yr old Fry s special.. Clif Holland KA5IPF www.avvid.com ... From: Shirley Márquez Dúlcey To:
                                    Message 17 of 17 , Dec 12, 2013
                                      It's maxed out at 2GB. About a 10 yr old Fry's special..

                                      Clif Holland KA5IPF
                                      www.avvid.com




                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: "Shirley Márquez Dúlcey" <mark@...>
                                      To: <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:00 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [softrock40] Windows Replacement


                                      For the most part, Windows 7 and 8 don't need more computing power than XP.
                                      (Some current applications do but that is a separate discussion.) What they
                                      DO need is more RAM; consider 2GB to be a minimum, though if you're just
                                      using the computer for ham station applications you might be able to get by
                                      with 1GB. If you have some kind of older computer with a low RAM ceiling
                                      like 512MB it will be a poor candidate for upgrading.

                                      Another issue for upgraders is that some hardware doesn't have drivers for
                                      newer versions of Windows. Things on the motherboard are usually fine, but
                                      video cards, add-on sound cards, printers, network interfaces, and unusual
                                      addons can be problematic.

                                      A lot of current motherboards have serial port headers but the port isn't
                                      brought out to the back panel; you need a separate cable that goes from the
                                      motherboard to a back panel plate. Most stores don't carry the cables,
                                      though Micro Center and Fry's might have them; they can also be found on
                                      eBay and Amazon. Parallel ports are less common but some motherboards still
                                      have them. I did a recent system build using a Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3; that
                                      board has headers for both serial and parallel ports. I don't yet have the
                                      cables for either port so I haven't tried using them.

                                      I'm talking about systems you build yourself; commercially available
                                      systems are unlikely to have serial or parallel ports either brought out or
                                      on the motherboard. Building your own desktop PC is a project that most
                                      hams should be able to handle.

                                      You can also buy PCI or PCI Express cards with serial and/or parallel
                                      ports. Those should not have the software compatibility problems that
                                      serial and parallel USB adapters sometimes have.



                                      On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Clif Holland <clif@...> wrote:

                                      >
                                      >
                                      > My problem is an old XP machine that I need the genuine serial ports in. I
                                      > doubt it has the HP to run the new software.
                                      >
                                      > Clif Holland KA5IPF
                                      > www.avvid.com
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: "Simon Brown" <simon@...>
                                      > To: <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:47 AM
                                      > Subject: RE: [softrock40] Windows Replacement
                                      >
                                      > > FWIW I find Windows 7 can run faster than XP, similarly Windows 8 is no
                                      > > slouch.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > I use Core 2 Duo systems with W7 & XP and W7 is faster.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Simon Brown (G4ELI/HB9DRV)
                                      > > http://v2.sdr-radio.com
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com] On
                                      > > Behalf Of cbayona
                                      > > Sent: 12 December 2013 07:23
                                      > > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Windows Replacement
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Windows 7 is great, Windows 8.1 is OK, both are very reliable but if
                                      > > your machine is really old then Linux would be OK but lots of things
                                      > > are different so lots of learning. An Alpha OS, I don't recommend it,
                                      > > in principle it sounds great to having a compatible Windows OS but
                                      > > they are nowhere ready.
                                      > >
                                      > > If that is not your only PC you could leave it on XP and disconnect
                                      > > it from the Internet, and that would be fine.
                                      > >
                                      > > At 11:23 PM 12/11/2013, you wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > >> > How is this a Linux question?
                                      > >>
                                      > >>
                                      > >>My fault. I didn't start a new thread. My interest is, since XP
                                      > >>breaks for good in four months, to see what the alternatives are.
                                      > >>
                                      > >>
                                      > >>
                                      > >
                                      > > --
                                      > > Cecil - k5nwa
                                      > > < http://thepartsplace.k5nwa.com/ > < http://www.softrockradio.org/ >
                                      > >
                                      > > Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
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