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  • Sid Boyce
    My wonder is if the poorly trained IT teachers in schools have what it takes. The students probably can outshine their teachers. In a recent article Running
    Message 1 of 6 , Mar 2, 2012
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      My wonder is if the poorly trained IT teachers in schools have what it takes.
      The students probably can outshine their teachers.

      In a recent article "Running on empty", employers are complaining of the lack of IT skills in the UK. Most students are fed a diet of Word and Excel which doesn't produce software developers and employers are forced to look elsewhere for the needed skills.

      The universities are just as bad in providing graduates with useful skills in that they can only use one inflexible set of development tools so if asked to deviate from the known, they are lost.

      The goal is to have a properly educated bank of graduates with a broader range of knowledge than simply installing an OS and its tools to be used a little more widely and knowledgeably than a new TV set and a fancy remote but not much more.

      The RasPi will hopefully assist in expanding minds and mindsets, producing the next generation designers and developers as opposed to appliance users.
      73 ... Sid.

      On 02/03/12 16:22, Kees & Sandy wrote:
       

      I agree. If their goal is to spread a very low cost Computer / Internet attachment device throughout the world, making sure there is one on every school desk or attached to every TV, telephone, broadband, etc  .....Rasberry Pi is a wondeful vehicle with great possibilities.

      Our's is still a niche market with unique requirements.

      73 Kees K5BCQ

      ---------- Original Message ----------
      From: Robert Nickels <w9ran@...>
      To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [softrock40] Re: Raspberry PI stand alone SDR
      Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:10:33 -0600

       

      Interesting discussion. I do think the R-Pi group deserves accolades
      for standing firm on features vs. cost and avoiding feature creep that
      would adversely affect their target applications in education and
      training. As engineers we know how strong the temptation can be!

      But speaking as a former engineer-turned-business development guy, I'd
      suggest that the best way to influence the design of future devices
      based on the R-Pi platform would be to show the developers what those
      features could do to enhance their educational mission. And since it is
      clear that SDR is the future of radio, and that knowledge of radio in
      all its myriad forms will be a critical success factor for those
      developing the products of the future, this ought to not be too difficult.

      73, Bob W9RAN



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      Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot,
      Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
      Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
      Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
      
    • John Rabson
      ... And be able to attain a usable level of competence in a new application without having to go on a long course. I used to have to cope with a variety of
      Message 2 of 6 , Mar 3, 2012
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        On 3 Mar 2012, at 02:20CET, Sid Boyce wrote:

        The students probably can outshine their teachers.

        I have known schoolboys who certainly did.

        In a recent article "Running on empty", employers are complaining of the lack of IT skills in the UK. Most students are fed a diet of Word and Excel which doesn't produce software developers and employers are forced to look elsewhere for the needed skills.

        The universities are just as bad in providing graduates with useful skills in that they can only use one inflexible set of development tools so if asked to deviate from the known, they are lost.

        The goal is to have a properly educated bank of graduates with a broader range of knowledge than simply installing an OS and its tools to be used a little more widely and knowledgeably than a new TV set and a fancy remote but not much more.

        And be able to attain a usable level of competence in a new application without having to go on a long course. I used to have to cope with a variety of languages, OSs, and GUIs (about 20 different things over 30 years).  Frequently I simply had to borrow the manuals for the weekend and start programming on Monday. It was quite surprising how much you could learn by writing the traditional “Hello World” program.

        I probably never achieved Sid's level in some of them (I never really did master JCL), but I did manage to do some machine-code* software for a satellite application -  and I could make even PL1 do what I wanted to.

        John
        *  no, not assembler. We were working to a tight deadline and the mainframe was down for maintenance so we did the coding by hand

      • Sid Boyce
        ... I thought my dozen or so over 34 years was quite a few, but like one colleague used to say, it s all code. ... I think you probably achieved more. Wading
        Message 3 of 6 , Mar 3, 2012
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          On 03/03/12 08:23, John Rabson wrote:
           
          On 3 Mar 2012, at 02:20CET, Sid Boyce wrote:

          The students probably can outshine their teachers.

          I have known schoolboys who certainly did.

          In a recent article "Running on empty", employers are complaining of the lack of IT skills in the UK. Most students are fed a diet of Word and Excel which doesn't produce software developers and employers are forced to look elsewhere for the needed skills.

          The universities are just as bad in providing graduates with useful skills in that they can only use one inflexible set of development tools so if asked to deviate from the known, they are lost.

          The goal is to have a properly educated bank of graduates with a broader range of knowledge than simply installing an OS and its tools to be used a little more widely and knowledgeably than a new TV set and a fancy remote but not much more.

          And be able to attain a usable level of competence in a new application without having to go on a long course. I used to have to cope with a variety of languages, OSs, and GUIs (about 20 different things over 30 years).  Frequently I simply had to borrow the manuals for the weekend and start programming on Monday. It was quite surprising how much you could learn by writing the traditional “Hello World” program.

          I thought my dozen or so over 34 years was quite a few, but like one colleague used to say, it's all code.

          I probably never achieved Sid's level in some of them (I never really did master JCL), but I did manage to do some machine-code* software for a satellite application -  and I could make even PL1 do what I wanted to.

          I think you probably achieved more. Wading through 370 assembler was second nature and I can still remember the opcodes and operands, something I never got around to learning on x86.

          The OS/9 JCL we used at Univac was quite simple yet as powerful as IBM's.
          It was quite a shock to see IBM mainframe jobs advertised for JCL programmers, IBM couldn't have made what should have been a simple task more complicated.
          John
          *  no, not assembler. We were working to a tight deadline and the mainframe was down for maintenance so we did the coding by hand

          Assembler was key in troubleshooting hardware instruction failures so we had to know it thoroughly to be able to use it without reference to manuals. It was fun.
          73 ... Sid.


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          Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot,
          Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
          Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
          Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
          
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