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  • Mr Doug -
    Attached are screenshots of the PSDR 1.9.0 and 1.12.20 directories. I have tried a few more things here today like removing the interface. I thought that might
    Message 1 of 24 , Dec 12, 2009
    Attached are screenshots of the PSDR 1.9.0 and 1.12.20 directories.

    I have tried a few more things here today like removing the interface. I thought that might at least allow 1.9.0 to load but same error (see prior screenshot)  Then I systematically  pulled DLL's out of the directory into a temporary folder and in most all cases it flagged the DLL being missing before the the original USB related error.

    However these two programs interface to the USB driver it must in some way be different than the DLL's  Most of the problems with Vista are related to increased security. That is not allowing access to resources that could harm the system. Vista is seldom implicated in breech attacks like prior MS systems.  If the PSDR EXE is direclty trying to access a hardware driver as opposed to a registered DLL then I suspect it might cause a problem. Is this the case for PSDR 1.9.0 and 1.12.20?

    It would be nice if the authors of the mods to these two programs piped in with their thoughts. I wish there was better error handling and/or reporting. At least tell me more about what the heck is wrong when the error occurs.

    Doug 

    --- On Sat, 12/12/09, g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@...> wrote:

    From: g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@...>
    Subject: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
    To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:33 PM

     

    Hi Doug,

    I forgot to comment before, the USB / PTT does not function in either of the 'official' FlexRadio versions, v1.16 or v1.18. Those use the serial COM port lines.

    The USB / PTT functions correctly with v1.9.0 sr40, PSDR-IQ v1.12.20 and also the Genesis v1.0 version.

    73, Bob G8VOI



  • g8voip
    Hi Doug, The one obvious thing I can see from both of those folders, assuming you had not just removed it, is that there is no Microsoft Access Database file
    Message 2 of 24 , Dec 12, 2009
      Hi Doug,

      The one obvious thing I can see from both of those folders, assuming you had not just removed it, is that there is no Microsoft Access Database file called 'PowerSDR.mdb' and that is pretty fundamental as that is automatically generated when you install the program and hold the configuration information.

      If the file is deleted, next time you run the program it automatically runs through the set up wizard and creates a new version. That is usually the cure for overcoming any accidental set up errors.

      Perhaps the problem is a lot more fundamental, and not really purely USB related.

      Checking my own folders, I do have some additional entries, but they are mainly to do with importing band plans etc for this region, but basically the they are same as yours.

      Hopefully a few more people will eventually chip in who are using Vista with those versions of PSDR and provide some information.

      I do wonder, apart from the one response, if many people are actually running that configuration.

      Come on folks, how about making a contribution and putting something back into the project.

      73, Bob G8VOI

      --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...> wrote:
      >
      > Attached are screenshots of the PSDR 1.9.0 and 1.12.20 directories.
      >
      > I have tried a few more things here today like removing the interface. I thought that might at least allow 1.9.0 to load but same error (see prior screenshot)  Then I systematically  pulled DLL's out of the directory into a temporary folder and in most all cases it flagged the DLL being missing before the the original USB related error.
      >
      > However these two programs interface to the USB driver it must in some way be different than the DLL's  Most of the problems with Vista are related to increased security. That is not allowing access to resources that could harm the system. Vista is seldom implicated in breech attacks like prior MS systems.  If the PSDR EXE is direclty trying to access a hardware driver as opposed to a registered DLL then I suspect it might cause a problem. Is this the case for PSDR 1.9.0 and 1.12.20?
      >
      > It would be nice if the authors of the mods to these two programs piped in with their thoughts. I wish there was better error handling and/or reporting. At least tell me more about what the heck is wrong when the error occurs.
      >
      > Doug 
      >
      > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@...> wrote:
      >
      > From: g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@...>
      > Subject: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
      > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:33 PM
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      >
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      >
      >
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      >
      >
      >
      > Hi Doug,
      >
      >
      >
      > I forgot to comment before, the USB / PTT does not function in either of the 'official' FlexRadio versions, v1.16 or v1.18. Those use the serial COM port lines.
      >
      >
      >
      > The USB / PTT functions correctly with v1.9.0 sr40, PSDR-IQ v1.12.20 and also the Genesis v1.0 version.
      >
      >
      >
      > 73, Bob G8VOI
      >
    • David Kopf
      Once I get my Softrock v9.0 built I will try it on a 32 bit Vista laptop. I ve downloaded a few SDRs to look at them, but PowerSDR says to install .NET
      Message 3 of 24 , Dec 12, 2009
        Once I get my Softrock v9.0 built I will try it on a 32 bit Vista laptop.
        I've downloaded a few SDRs to look at them, but PowerSDR says to install
        .NET framework 1.1.4322 first. Not sure I want to do that since "Programs
        and Features" shows .NET 3.5 SP1 is ialready nstalled.

        Perhaps .Net 3.5/Vista put things in different places, or could the PowerSDR
        install be barfing on a later version number?

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "g8voip" <g8voi.reeves59@...>
        To: <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:23 PM
        Subject: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors


        Hi Doug,

        The one obvious thing I can see from both of those folders, assuming you had
        not just removed it, is that there is no Microsoft Access Database file
        called 'PowerSDR.mdb' and that is pretty fundamental as that is
        automatically generated when you install the program and hold the
        configuration information.

        If the file is deleted, next time you run the program it automatically runs
        through the set up wizard and creates a new version. That is usually the
        cure for overcoming any accidental set up errors.

        Perhaps the problem is a lot more fundamental, and not really purely USB
        related.

        Checking my own folders, I do have some additional entries, but they are
        mainly to do with importing band plans etc for this region, but basically
        the they are same as yours.

        Hopefully a few more people will eventually chip in who are using Vista with
        those versions of PSDR and provide some information.

        I do wonder, apart from the one response, if many people are actually
        running that configuration.

        Come on folks, how about making a contribution and putting something back
        into the project.
      • Mr Doug -
        Dave,   It is my understanding that the two .nets you mentioned are different animals and can coexist. Doug ... From: David Kopf
        Message 4 of 24 , Dec 12, 2009
          Dave,

            It is my understanding that the two .nets you mentioned are different animals and can coexist.

          Doug

          --- On Sat, 12/12/09, David Kopf <dak664@...> wrote:

          From: David Kopf <dak664@...>
          Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
          To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 6:14 PM

           

          Once I get my Softrock v9.0 built I will try it on a 32 bit Vista laptop.
          I've downloaded a few SDRs to look at them, but PowerSDR says to install
          .NET framework 1.1.4322 first. Not sure I want to do that since "Programs
          and Features" shows .NET 3.5 SP1 is ialready nstalled.

          Perhaps .Net 3.5/Vista put things in different places, or could the PowerSDR
          install be barfing on a later version number?

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "g8voip" <g8voi.reeves59@ tiscali.co. uk>
          To: <softrock40@yahoogro ups.com>
          Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:23 PM
          Subject: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors

          Hi Doug,

          The one obvious thing I can see from both of those folders, assuming you had
          not just removed it, is that there is no Microsoft Access Database file
          called 'PowerSDR.mdb' and that is pretty fundamental as that is
          automatically generated when you install the program and hold the
          configuration information.

          If the file is deleted, next time you run the program it automatically runs
          through the set up wizard and creates a new version. That is usually the
          cure for overcoming any accidental set up errors.

          Perhaps the problem is a lot more fundamental, and not really purely USB
          related.

          Checking my own folders, I do have some additional entries, but they are
          mainly to do with importing band plans etc for this region, but basically
          the they are same as yours.

          Hopefully a few more people will eventually chip in who are using Vista with
          those versions of PSDR and provide some information.

          I do wonder, apart from the one response, if many people are actually
          running that configuration.

          Come on folks, how about making a contribution and putting something back
          into the project.


        • Mr Doug -
          Bob,  The database files had been deleted. I did that many times to start over, so when the screenshot was taken I had previously deleted. But call me
          Message 5 of 24 , Dec 12, 2009
          Bob,

           The database files had been deleted. I did that many times to start over, so when the screenshot was taken I had previously deleted.

          But call me persistent or stubborn whatever, I have had some success here today.  I should have written down everything I have done but unfortunately I did not. Anyhow I was able to get PDSR 1.9.0 SR40 working.  I put it in WINXP SP2 compat mode and it came up! Then selecting proper things it did work and tune my 570. It is not as nice as 1.18.0 in that the freq hops are noticeable. E.G. you tune and see an end on the display then when you get to the end it hops up to next range. Also I get an exception fault everytime I run it on first hitting START. If I then ignore (hit continue) the error and hit STOP and START again all is fine. See attachment.  Also the PTT LED follows PTT in 1.9.0

          Unfortunatly I do not have anything good to report about 1.12.20  - it still does not tune and gives USB error when I try to select AVT in USB tab. I also tried tunning this in WINXP compat mode but no success.

          Now off to participate in the annual AWA CW contest. Listen 3550 to 3580 for chirpy sounding CW. All TX's are 1929 design or before. 10 watts or less. You might just here something over there! 6PM EST Sat to 6PM EST Sunday.

          Doug



          --- On Sat, 12/12/09, g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@...> wrote:

          From: g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@...>
          Subject: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
          To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 5:23 PM

           

          Hi Doug,

          The one obvious thing I can see from both of those folders, assuming you had not just removed it, is that there is no Microsoft Access Database file called 'PowerSDR.mdb' and that is pretty fundamental as that is automatically generated when you install the program and hold the configuration information.

          If the file is deleted, next time you run the program it automatically runs through the set up wizard and creates a new version. That is usually the cure for overcoming any accidental set up errors.

          Perhaps the problem is a lot more fundamental, and not really purely USB related.

          Checking my own folders, I do have some additional entries, but they are mainly to do with importing band plans etc for this region, but basically the they are same as yours.

          Hopefully a few more people will eventually chip in who are using Vista with those versions of PSDR and provide some information.

          I do wonder, apart from the one response, if many people are actually running that configuration.

          Come on folks, how about making a contribution and putting something back into the project.

          73, Bob G8VOI

          --- In softrock40@yahoogro ups.com, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@... > wrote:
          >
          > Attached are screenshots of the PSDR 1.9.0 and 1.12.20 directories.
          >
          > I have tried a few more things here today like removing the interface. I thought that might at least allow 1.9.0 to load but same error (see prior screenshot)  Then I systematically  pulled DLL's out of the directory into a temporary folder and in most all cases it flagged the DLL being missing before the the original USB related error.
          >
          > However these two programs interface to the USB driver it must in some way be different than the DLL's  Most of the problems with Vista are related to increased security. That is not allowing access to resources that could harm the system. Vista is seldom implicated in breech attacks like prior MS systems.  If the PSDR EXE is direclty trying to access a hardware driver as opposed to a registered DLL then I suspect it might cause a problem. Is this the case for PSDR 1.9.0 and 1.12.20?
          >
          > It would be nice if the authors of the mods to these two programs piped in with their thoughts. I wish there was better error handling and/or reporting. At least tell me more about what the heck is wrong when the error occurs.
          >
          > Doug 
          >
          > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@ ...> wrote:
          >
          > From: g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@ ...>
          > Subject: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
          > To: softrock40@yahoogro ups.com
          > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:33 PM
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >  
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Hi Doug,
          >
          >
          >
          > I forgot to comment before, the USB / PTT does not function in either of the 'official' FlexRadio versions, v1.16 or v1.18. Those use the serial COM port lines.
          >
          >
          >
          > The USB / PTT functions correctly with v1.9.0 sr40, PSDR-IQ v1.12.20 and also the Genesis v1.0 version.
          >
          >
          >
          > 73, Bob G8VOI
          >


        • sv1eia
          Yep, The versioning in .NET Framework is definitively mind confusing. They are not versions of a single product whereas eg whoever install the latest is ok.
          Message 6 of 24 , Dec 12, 2009
            Yep,

            The versioning in .NET Framework is definitively mind confusing.
            They are not versions of a single product whereas eg whoever install the latest is ok. They are actually different products and when an application needs .NET Framework 1.1 it needs exactly that, it will not work if you install the lets say 3.5 latest.



            --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...> wrote:
            >
            > Dave,
            >
            >   It is my understanding that the two .nets you mentioned are different animals and can coexist.
            >
            > Doug
            >
            > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, David Kopf <dak664@...> wrote:
            >
            > From: David Kopf <dak664@...>
            > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
            > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
            > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 6:14 PM
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >  
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Once I get my Softrock v9.0 built I will try it on a 32 bit Vista laptop.
            >
            > I've downloaded a few SDRs to look at them, but PowerSDR says to install
            >
            > .NET framework 1.1.4322 first. Not sure I want to do that since "Programs
            >
            > and Features" shows .NET 3.5 SP1 is ialready nstalled.
            >
            >
            >
            > Perhaps .Net 3.5/Vista put things in different places, or could the PowerSDR
            >
            > install be barfing on a later version number?
            >
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            >
            > From: "g8voip" <g8voi.reeves59@ tiscali.co. uk>
            >
            > To: <softrock40@yahoogro ups.com>
            >
            > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:23 PM
            >
            > Subject: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
            >
            >
            >
            > Hi Doug,
            >
            >
            >
            > The one obvious thing I can see from both of those folders, assuming you had
            >
            > not just removed it, is that there is no Microsoft Access Database file
            >
            > called 'PowerSDR.mdb' and that is pretty fundamental as that is
            >
            > automatically generated when you install the program and hold the
            >
            > configuration information.
            >
            >
            >
            > If the file is deleted, next time you run the program it automatically runs
            >
            > through the set up wizard and creates a new version. That is usually the
            >
            > cure for overcoming any accidental set up errors.
            >
            >
            >
            > Perhaps the problem is a lot more fundamental, and not really purely USB
            >
            > related.
            >
            >
            >
            > Checking my own folders, I do have some additional entries, but they are
            >
            > mainly to do with importing band plans etc for this region, but basically
            >
            > the they are same as yours.
            >
            >
            >
            > Hopefully a few more people will eventually chip in who are using Vista with
            >
            > those versions of PSDR and provide some information.
            >
            >
            >
            > I do wonder, apart from the one response, if many people are actually
            >
            > running that configuration.
            >
            >
            >
            > Come on folks, how about making a contribution and putting something back
            >
            > into the project.
            >
          • David Kopf
            OK, got PowerSDR v1.18.3 running on my Vista 32 bit laptop, in demo mode. .NET 1.1 and 3.5 apparently coexist, but I ll be watching for problems in other
            Message 7 of 24 , Dec 12, 2009
              OK, got PowerSDR v1.18.3 running on my Vista 32 bit laptop, in demo mode.
              .NET 1.1 and 3.5 apparently coexist, but I'll be watching for problems in
              other programs...

              First launch, did FFT tests, then hung with high CPU usage. Kill with Task
              manager.
              Several more launches, banner screen, then hang with high CPU usage. Kill
              with Task manager.
              Change properties of PowerSDR.exe, check run in XPSP2 compatibility mode,
              launch, banner screen goes a bit farther, hangs on initialize PortAudio.
              Plug in USB microphone/headset, launch, programs starts. Seems to work in
              demo mode.
              Change properties, uncheck run in XPSP2 compatibility mode, launch, works!
              Unplug USB microphone, launch, hangs on initialize PortAudio. Other
              programs generally say "no sound card" at this point, as system doesn't
              report the built-in hardware unless a mike is connected to jack. Kill with
              Task manager.

              Seems to work in native mode now if a sound input device is present. If the
              smoke stays in I can try the v9.0 USB tomorrow. But I don't have the Si570
              chip to install yet.

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Mr Doug -" <dsc3507@...>
              To: <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:51 PM
              Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors [1 Attachment]


              Bob,

              The database files had been deleted. I did that many times to start over, so
              when the screenshot was taken I had previously deleted.

              But call me persistent or stubborn whatever, I have had some success here
              today. I should have written down everything I have done but unfortunately I
              did not. Anyhow I was able to get PDSR 1.9.0 SR40 working. I put it in WINXP
              SP2 compat mode and it came up! Then selecting proper things it did work and
              tune my 570. It is not as nice as 1.18.0 in that the freq hops are
              noticeable. E.G. you tune and see an end on the display then when you get to
              the end it hops up to next range. Also I get an exception fault everytime I
              run it on first hitting START. If I then ignore (hit continue) the error and
              hit STOP and START again all is fine. See attachment. Also the PTT LED
              follows PTT in 1.9.0
            • Mr Doug -
              Dave,  I have had no problems with PSDR 1.18.0 in Vista here. It tunes the Si570 smoothly. The only thing it seems to lack is control of the PTT - you do have
              Message 8 of 24 , Dec 12, 2009
                Dave,

                 I have had no problems with PSDR 1.18.0 in Vista here. It tunes the Si570 smoothly. The only thing it seems to lack is control of the PTT - you do have to make sure your AVT firmware has the BPF option tuned off to use PTT. Use CFGSR.exe to do that.

                I did not see the CPU usage excess you saw. I do need to run the ASIO4ALL driver when using my internal MB sound card however. Using MME or Direct sound results in choppy audio,

                Doug

                --- On Sat, 12/12/09, David Kopf <dak664@...> wrote:

                From: David Kopf <dak664@...>
                Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
                To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 7:36 PM

                 

                OK, got PowerSDR v1.18.3 running on my Vista 32 bit laptop, in demo mode.
                .NET 1.1 and 3.5 apparently coexist, but I'll be watching for problems in
                other programs...

                First launch, did FFT tests, then hung with high CPU usage. Kill with Task
                manager.
                Several more launches, banner screen, then hang with high CPU usage. Kill
                with Task manager.
                Change properties of PowerSDR.exe, check run in XPSP2 compatibility mode,
                launch, banner screen goes a bit farther, hangs on initialize PortAudio.
                Plug in USB microphone/headset, launch, programs starts. Seems to work in
                demo mode.
                Change properties, uncheck run in XPSP2 compatibility mode, launch, works!
                Unplug USB microphone, launch, hangs on initialize PortAudio. Other
                programs generally say "no sound card" at this point, as system doesn't
                report the built-in hardware unless a mike is connected to jack. Kill with
                Task manager.

                Seems to work in native mode now if a sound input device is present. If the
                smoke stays in I can try the v9.0 USB tomorrow. But I don't have the Si570
                chip to install yet.

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Mr Doug -" <dsc3507@yahoo. com>
                To: <softrock40@yahoogro ups.com>
                Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:51 PM
                Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors [1 Attachment]

                Bob,

                The database files had been deleted. I did that many times to start over, so
                when the screenshot was taken I had previously deleted.

                But call me persistent or stubborn whatever, I have had some success here
                today. I should have written down everything I have done but unfortunately I
                did not. Anyhow I was able to get PDSR 1.9.0 SR40 working. I put it in WINXP
                SP2 compat mode and it came up! Then selecting proper things it did work and
                tune my 570. It is not as nice as 1.18.0 in that the freq hops are
                noticeable. E.G. you tune and see an end on the display then when you get to
                the end it hops up to next range. Also I get an exception fault everytime I
                run it on first hitting START. If I then ignore (hit continue) the error and
                hit STOP and START again all is fine. See attachment. Also the PTT LED
                follows PTT in 1.9.0


              • Mr Doug -
                Another addendum to the below.  It looks like PSDR 1.9.0 is giving the same errors in both native Vista mode and winxp compat.  The difference is that Vista
                Message 9 of 24 , Dec 12, 2009
                  Another addendum to the below.  It looks like PSDR 1.9.0 is giving the same errors in both native Vista mode and winxp compat.  The difference is that Vista does not allow you to ignore it and the program fails.  In Winxp compat mode you can continue in spite of the errors and it then does work.

                  This is the more enforced error handling in Vista at work. I suppose in some cases to ignore an exception error could cause bad results and thus they have not allowed you to do that.

                  It would be nice to know what the errors are and why they are happening though.

                  Doug

                  --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...> wrote:

                  From: Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...>
                  Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors [1 Attachment]
                  To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 6:51 PM

                   

                  Bob,

                   The database files had been deleted. I did that many times to start over, so when the screenshot was taken I had previously deleted.

                  But call me persistent or stubborn whatever, I have had some success here today.  I should have written down everything I have done but unfortunately I did not. Anyhow I was able to get PDSR 1.9.0 SR40 working.  I put it in WINXP SP2 compat mode and it came up! Then selecting proper things it did work and tune my 570. It is not as nice as 1.18.0 in that the freq hops are noticeable. E.G. you tune and see an end on the display then when you get to the end it hops up to next range. Also I get an exception fault everytime I run it on first hitting START. If I then ignore (hit continue) the error and hit STOP and START again all is fine. See attachment.  Also the PTT LED follows PTT in 1.9.0

                  Unfortunatly I do not have anything good to report about 1.12.20  - it still does not tune and gives USB error when I try to select AVT in USB tab. I also tried tunning this in WINXP compat mode but no success.

                  Now off to participate in the annual AWA CW contest. Listen 3550 to 3580 for chirpy sounding CW. All TX's are 1929 design or before. 10 watts or less. You might just here something over there! 6PM EST Sat to 6PM EST Sunday.

                  Doug



                  --- On Sat, 12/12/09, g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@ tiscali.co. uk> wrote:

                  From: g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@ tiscali.co. uk>
                  Subject: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
                  To: softrock40@yahoogro ups.com
                  Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 5:23 PM

                   

                  Hi Doug,

                  The one obvious thing I can see from both of those folders, assuming you had not just removed it, is that there is no Microsoft Access Database file called 'PowerSDR.mdb' and that is pretty fundamental as that is automatically generated when you install the program and hold the configuration information.

                  If the file is deleted, next time you run the program it automatically runs through the set up wizard and creates a new version. That is usually the cure for overcoming any accidental set up errors.

                  Perhaps the problem is a lot more fundamental, and not really purely USB related.

                  Checking my own folders, I do have some additional entries, but they are mainly to do with importing band plans etc for this region, but basically the they are same as yours.

                  Hopefully a few more people will eventually chip in who are using Vista with those versions of PSDR and provide some information.

                  I do wonder, apart from the one response, if many people are actually running that configuration.

                  Come on folks, how about making a contribution and putting something back into the project.

                  73, Bob G8VOI

                  --- In softrock40@yahoogro ups.com, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@... > wrote:
                  >
                  > Attached are screenshots of the PSDR 1.9.0 and 1.12.20 directories.
                  >
                  > I have tried a few more things here today like removing the interface. I thought that might at least allow 1.9.0 to load but same error (see prior screenshot)  Then I systematically  pulled DLL's out of the directory into a temporary folder and in most all cases it flagged the DLL being missing before the the original USB related error.
                  >
                  > However these two programs interface to the USB driver it must in some way be different than the DLL's  Most of the problems with Vista are related to increased security. That is not allowing access to resources that could harm the system. Vista is seldom implicated in breech attacks like prior MS systems.  If the PSDR EXE is direclty trying to access a hardware driver as opposed to a registered DLL then I suspect it might cause a problem. Is this the case for PSDR 1.9.0 and 1.12.20?
                  >
                  > It would be nice if the authors of the mods to these two programs piped in with their thoughts. I wish there was better error handling and/or reporting. At least tell me more about what the heck is wrong when the error occurs.
                  >
                  > Doug 
                  >
                  > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@ ...> wrote:
                  >
                  > From: g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@ ...>
                  > Subject: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
                  > To: softrock40@yahoogro ups.com
                  > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:33 PM
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >  
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Hi Doug,
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I forgot to comment before, the USB / PTT does not function in either of the 'official' FlexRadio versions, v1.16 or v1.18. Those use the serial COM port lines.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > The USB / PTT functions correctly with v1.9.0 sr40, PSDR-IQ v1.12.20 and also the Genesis v1.0 version.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > 73, Bob G8VOI
                  >



                • Mr Doug -
                  Should have read AVR firmware below ... From: Mr Doug - Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com Date:
                  Message 10 of 24 , Dec 12, 2009
                    Should have read AVR firmware below

                    --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...> wrote:

                    From: Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...>
                    Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
                    To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 7:51 PM

                     

                    Dave,

                     I have had no problems with PSDR 1.18.0 in Vista here. It tunes the Si570 smoothly. The only thing it seems to lack is control of the PTT - you do have to make sure your AVT firmware has the BPF option tuned off to use PTT. Use CFGSR.exe to do that.

                    I did not see the CPU usage excess you saw. I do need to run the ASIO4ALL driver when using my internal MB sound card however. Using MME or Direct sound results in choppy audio,

                    Doug

                    --- On Sat, 12/12/09, David Kopf <dak664@embarqmail. com> wrote:

                    From: David Kopf <dak664@embarqmail. com>
                    Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
                    To: softrock40@yahoogro ups.com
                    Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 7:36 PM

                     

                    OK, got PowerSDR v1.18.3 running on my Vista 32 bit laptop, in demo mode.
                    .NET 1.1 and 3.5 apparently coexist, but I'll be watching for problems in
                    other programs...

                    First launch, did FFT tests, then hung with high CPU usage. Kill with Task
                    manager.
                    Several more launches, banner screen, then hang with high CPU usage. Kill
                    with Task manager.
                    Change properties of PowerSDR.exe, check run in XPSP2 compatibility mode,
                    launch, banner screen goes a bit farther, hangs on initialize PortAudio.
                    Plug in USB microphone/headset, launch, programs starts. Seems to work in
                    demo mode.
                    Change properties, uncheck run in XPSP2 compatibility mode, launch, works!
                    Unplug USB microphone, launch, hangs on initialize PortAudio. Other
                    programs generally say "no sound card" at this point, as system doesn't
                    report the built-in hardware unless a mike is connected to jack. Kill with
                    Task manager.

                    Seems to work in native mode now if a sound input device is present. If the
                    smoke stays in I can try the v9.0 USB tomorrow. But I don't have the Si570
                    chip to install yet.

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "Mr Doug -" <dsc3507@yahoo. com>
                    To: <softrock40@yahoogro ups.com>
                    Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:51 PM
                    Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors [1 Attachment]

                    Bob,

                    The database files had been deleted. I did that many times to start over, so
                    when the screenshot was taken I had previously deleted.

                    But call me persistent or stubborn whatever, I have had some success here
                    today. I should have written down everything I have done but unfortunately I
                    did not. Anyhow I was able to get PDSR 1.9.0 SR40 working. I put it in WINXP
                    SP2 compat mode and it came up! Then selecting proper things it did work and
                    tune my 570. It is not as nice as 1.18.0 in that the freq hops are
                    noticeable. E.G. you tune and see an end on the display then when you get to
                    the end it hops up to next range. Also I get an exception fault everytime I
                    run it on first hitting START. If I then ignore (hit continue) the error and
                    hit STOP and START again all is fine. See attachment. Also the PTT LED
                    follows PTT in 1.9.0



                  • Alan R. Hill
                    I downloaded it and ran it hooked up to my FT-450AT through a SignaLink USB box and it ran flawlessly on Windows 7 Home Premium without alteration or special
                    Message 11 of 24 , Dec 12, 2009

                      I downloaded it and ran it hooked up to my FT-450AT through a SignaLink USB box and it ran flawlessly on Windows 7 Home Premium without alteration or special configurations.  I was surprised to see it work with live traffic from my 450.

                      Alan W6ARH

                       

                      From: softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Kopf
                      Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 4:36 PM
                      To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors

                       

                       

                      OK, got PowerSDR v1.18.3 running on my Vista 32 bit laptop, in demo mode.
                      .NET 1.1 and 3.5 apparently coexist, but I'll be watching for problems in
                      other programs...

                      First launch, did FFT tests, then hung with high CPU usage. Kill with Task
                      manager.
                      Several more launches, banner screen, then hang with high CPU usage. Kill
                      with Task manager.
                      Change properties of PowerSDR.exe, check run in XPSP2 compatibility mode,
                      launch, banner screen goes a bit farther, hangs on initialize PortAudio.
                      Plug in USB microphone/headset, launch, programs starts. Seems to work in
                      demo mode.
                      Change properties, uncheck run in XPSP2 compatibility mode, launch, works!
                      Unplug USB microphone, launch, hangs on initialize PortAudio. Other
                      programs generally say "no sound card" at this point, as system doesn't
                      report the built-in hardware unless a mike is connected to jack. Kill with
                      Task manager.

                      Seems to work in native mode now if a sound input device is present. If the
                      smoke stays in I can try the v9.0 USB tomorrow. But I don't have the Si570
                      chip to install yet.

                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Mr Doug -" <dsc3507@...>
                      To: <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:51 PM
                      Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors [1 Attachment]

                      Bob,

                      The database files had been deleted. I did that many times to start over, so
                      when the screenshot was taken I had previously deleted.

                      But call me persistent or stubborn whatever, I have had some success here
                      today. I should have written down everything I have done but unfortunately I
                      did not. Anyhow I was able to get PDSR 1.9.0 SR40 working. I put it in WINXP
                      SP2 compat mode and it came up! Then selecting proper things it did work and
                      tune my 570. It is not as nice as 1.18.0 in that the freq hops are
                      noticeable. E.G. you tune and see an end on the display then when you get to
                      the end it hops up to next range. Also I get an exception fault everytime I
                      run it on first hitting START. If I then ignore (hit continue) the error and
                      hit STOP and START again all is fine. See attachment. Also the PTT LED
                      follows PTT in 1.9.0



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                    • Bruce Tanner
                      It appears that a theme is developing between this thread and the SDR-RADIO thread experiences that might point to a work around for using SR with Vista. There
                      Message 12 of 24 , Dec 12, 2009
                        It appears that a theme is developing between this thread and the
                        SDR-RADIO thread experiences that might point to a work around for using
                        SR with Vista. There are at least three of us with different USB sound
                        interfaces which contain all of the necessary codecs and driver needs
                        within the interface. That excludes the need to address Microsoft's
                        signed driver and security issues. One such interface recently reported
                        is the SignaLink USB box which is a reasonably priced unit. The other
                        units are the Match Box II I am using and the M-Audio FX-66 unit. It
                        might be at least a consideration with some who are having issues with
                        Vista to take a look at those alternatives.

                        Bruce, K2BET

                        Alan R. Hill wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > I downloaded it and ran it hooked up to my FT-450AT through a
                        > SignaLink USB box and it ran flawlessly on Windows 7 Home Premium
                        > without alteration or special configurations. I was surprised to see
                        > it work with live traffic from my 450.
                        >
                        > Alan W6ARH
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > *From:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogroups.com]
                        > *On Behalf Of *David Kopf
                        > *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2009 4:36 PM
                        > *To:* softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                        > *Subject:* Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > OK, got PowerSDR v1.18.3 running on my Vista 32 bit laptop, in demo mode.
                        > .NET 1.1 and 3.5 apparently coexist, but I'll be watching for problems in
                        > other programs...
                        >
                        > First launch, did FFT tests, then hung with high CPU usage. Kill with
                        > Task
                        > manager.
                        > Several more launches, banner screen, then hang with high CPU usage. Kill
                        > with Task manager.
                        > Change properties of PowerSDR.exe, check run in XPSP2 compatibility mode,
                        > launch, banner screen goes a bit farther, hangs on initialize PortAudio.
                        > Plug in USB microphone/headset, launch, programs starts. Seems to work in
                        > demo mode.
                        > Change properties, uncheck run in XPSP2 compatibility mode, launch, works!
                        > Unplug USB microphone, launch, hangs on initialize PortAudio. Other
                        > programs generally say "no sound card" at this point, as system doesn't
                        > report the built-in hardware unless a mike is connected to jack. Kill
                        > with
                        > Task manager.
                        >
                        > Seems to work in native mode now if a sound input device is present.
                        > If the
                        > smoke stays in I can try the v9.0 USB tomorrow. But I don't have the
                        > Si570
                        > chip to install yet.
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: "Mr Doug -" <dsc3507@... <mailto:dsc3507%40yahoo.com>>
                        > To: <softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>>
                        > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:51 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors [1 Attachment]
                        >
                        > Bob,
                        >
                        > The database files had been deleted. I did that many times to start
                        > over, so
                        > when the screenshot was taken I had previously deleted.
                        >
                        > But call me persistent or stubborn whatever, I have had some success here
                        > today. I should have written down everything I have done but
                        > unfortunately I
                        > did not. Anyhow I was able to get PDSR 1.9.0 SR40 working. I put it in
                        > WINXP
                        > SP2 compat mode and it came up! Then selecting proper things it did
                        > work and
                        > tune my 570. It is not as nice as 1.18.0 in that the freq hops are
                        > noticeable. E.G. you tune and see an end on the display then when you
                        > get to
                        > the end it hops up to next range. Also I get an exception fault
                        > everytime I
                        > run it on first hitting START. If I then ignore (hit continue) the
                        > error and
                        > hit STOP and START again all is fine. See attachment. Also the PTT LED
                        > follows PTT in 1.9.0
                        >
                        >
                        >
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                      • Mr Doug -
                        Ok. Well this thread started wit my Si570 interfacing issues but there also appears to be issues in Vista regarding audio. In fact FlexRadio themselves
                        Message 13 of 24 , Dec 12, 2009
                          Ok. Well this thread started wit my Si570 interfacing issues but there also appears to be issues in Vista regarding audio. In fact FlexRadio themselves recommends or requires the ASIO interface (asio4all) for use with PowerSDR in Vista.  Without it here, all I get is choppy audio.

                          This is at 48 lhz!!! What I don't understand is how can I play 192khz audio files and AC3 stuff without a flaw as well as other audio decoding but PSDR barfs?  The other things are running with either MME or direct sound.  PSDR barfs on both.  Very strange. It makes me believe these 3rd party vendors do no understand how to interface to Vista. It must not be a secret because many vendors have gotten it right. To me the excuse that Vista is broken is just that, a big excuse. Eventually they will have to deal with it when the use of Vista and now Windows 7 increases or they will lose market share to someone who does.

                          I think cards that have native ASIO drivers would work better. The ASIO4ALL emulator driver works wwith any vard BUT it takes exclusive control of the audio card when it is running. Thus you cannot play anything else at the same time unless you have another card.

                          Also external USB might be better and as you mentioned there ate many now out there. I was looking at the EM 0404 as a possible buy.  It does support and have an ASIO driver.

                          Doug  

                          --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Bruce Tanner <bet110@...> wrote:

                          From: Bruce Tanner <bet110@...>
                          Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
                          To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 9:37 PM

                           

                          It appears that a theme is developing between this thread and the
                          SDR-RADIO thread experiences that might point to a work around for using
                          SR with Vista. There are at least three of us with different USB sound
                          interfaces which contain all of the necessary codecs and driver needs
                          within the interface. That excludes the need to address Microsoft's
                          signed driver and security issues. One such interface recently reported
                          is the SignaLink USB box which is a reasonably priced unit. The other
                          units are the Match Box II I am using and the M-Audio FX-66 unit. It
                          might be at least a consideration with some who are having issues with
                          Vista to take a look at those alternatives.

                          Bruce, K2BET

                          Alan R. Hill wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > I downloaded it and ran it hooked up to my FT-450AT through a
                          > SignaLink USB box and it ran flawlessly on Windows 7 Home Premium
                          > without alteration or special configurations. I was surprised to see
                          > it work with live traffic from my 450.
                          >
                          > Alan W6ARH
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > *From:* softrock40@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogro ups.com]
                          > *On Behalf Of *David Kopf
                          > *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2009 4:36 PM
                          > *To:* softrock40@yahoogro ups.com
                          > *Subject:* Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > OK, got PowerSDR v1.18.3 running on my Vista 32 bit laptop, in demo mode.
                          > .NET 1.1 and 3.5 apparently coexist, but I'll be watching for problems in
                          > other programs...
                          >
                          > First launch, did FFT tests, then hung with high CPU usage. Kill with
                          > Task
                          > manager.
                          > Several more launches, banner screen, then hang with high CPU usage. Kill
                          > with Task manager.
                          > Change properties of PowerSDR.exe, check run in XPSP2 compatibility mode,
                          > launch, banner screen goes a bit farther, hangs on initialize PortAudio.
                          > Plug in USB microphone/headset, launch, programs starts. Seems to work in
                          > demo mode.
                          > Change properties, uncheck run in XPSP2 compatibility mode, launch, works!
                          > Unplug USB microphone, launch, hangs on initialize PortAudio. Other
                          > programs generally say "no sound card" at this point, as system doesn't
                          > report the built-in hardware unless a mike is connected to jack. Kill
                          > with
                          > Task manager.
                          >
                          > Seems to work in native mode now if a sound input device is present.
                          > If the
                          > smoke stays in I can try the v9.0 USB tomorrow. But I don't have the
                          > Si570
                          > chip to install yet.
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: "Mr Doug -" <dsc3507@yahoo. com <mailto:dsc3507% 40yahoo.com> >
                          > To: <softrock40@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:softrock40% 40yahoogroups. com>>
                          > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:51 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors [1 Attachment]
                          >
                          > Bob,
                          >
                          > The database files had been deleted. I did that many times to start
                          > over, so
                          > when the screenshot was taken I had previously deleted.
                          >
                          > But call me persistent or stubborn whatever, I have had some success here
                          > today. I should have written down everything I have done but
                          > unfortunately I
                          > did not. Anyhow I was able to get PDSR 1.9.0 SR40 working. I put it in
                          > WINXP
                          > SP2 compat mode and it came up! Then selecting proper things it did
                          > work and
                          > tune my 570. It is not as nice as 1.18.0 in that the freq hops are
                          > noticeable. E.G. you tune and see an end on the display then when you
                          > get to
                          > the end it hops up to next range. Also I get an exception fault
                          > everytime I
                          > run it on first hitting START. If I then ignore (hit continue) the
                          > error and
                          > hit STOP and START again all is fine. See attachment. Also the PTT LED
                          > follows PTT in 1.9.0
                          >
                          >
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                        • g8voip
                          Hi Doug, Fine on making some progress and having removed the PowerSDR.mdb file at the time you took those screen shots. I know it probably got lost in the
                          Message 14 of 24 , Dec 13, 2009
                            Hi Doug,

                            Fine on making some progress and having removed the PowerSDR.mdb file at the time you took those screen shots.

                            I know it probably got lost in the midst of all the messages, but I did comment for v1.9.0 sr40, if you select 'SoftRock' as the radio type it jumps at the extremes of the screen tuning range, however if you select 'SDR-1000' as the radio type, it then gives you continuous tuning, the much better choice.

                            Using the .net database is the biggest mess with PSDR as far as I can see, totally bloated piece of software, and to make matters worse, the latest beta of PSDR v1.19 requires .net v3.5 which Microsoft very kindly prevents for being installed with Win2000, just telling you to upgrade your operating system.

                            You can have multiple versions of it installed together, at least two on this PC.

                            I have never seen the USB / PTT function work on either FlexRadio versions v1.16 or v1.18. Not sure anyway if those can be used for transmit with the SoftRock, never tried it here as they do not allow any me to compensate for the one sample delay between channels on my SoundBlaster card, so no image rejection possible.

                            Not sure why you are having difficulty with PSDR-IQ v1.12.20, think all the common set up problems have all been covered, so possibly something far more subtle in your PC configuration or installed software.

                            73, Bob G8VOI

                            --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Ok. Well this thread started wit my Si570 interfacing issues but there also appears to be issues in Vista regarding audio. In fact FlexRadio themselves recommends or requires the ASIO interface (asio4all) for use with PowerSDR in Vista.  Without it here, all I get is choppy audio.
                            >
                            > This is at 48 lhz!!! What I don't understand is how can I play 192khz audio files and AC3 stuff without a flaw as well as other audio decoding but PSDR barfs?  The other things are running with either MME or direct sound.  PSDR barfs on both.  Very strange. It makes me believe these 3rd party vendors do no understand how to interface to Vista. It must not be a secret because many vendors have gotten it right. To me the excuse that Vista is broken is just that, a big excuse. Eventually they will have to deal with it when the use of Vista and now Windows 7 increases or they will lose market share to someone who does.
                            >
                            > I think cards that have native ASIO drivers would work better. The ASIO4ALL emulator driver works wwith any vard BUT it takes exclusive control of the audio card when it is running. Thus you cannot play anything else at the same time unless you have another card.
                            >
                            > Also external USB might be better and as you mentioned there ate many now out there. I was looking at the EM 0404 as a possible buy.  It does support and have an ASIO driver.
                            >
                            > Doug  
                            >
                            > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Bruce Tanner <bet110@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > From: Bruce Tanner <bet110@...>
                            > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
                            > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                            > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 9:37 PM
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >  
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > It appears that a theme is developing between this thread and the
                            >
                            > SDR-RADIO thread experiences that might point to a work around for using
                            >
                            > SR with Vista. There are at least three of us with different USB sound
                            >
                            > interfaces which contain all of the necessary codecs and driver needs
                            >
                            > within the interface. That excludes the need to address Microsoft's
                            >
                            > signed driver and security issues. One such interface recently reported
                            >
                            > is the SignaLink USB box which is a reasonably priced unit. The other
                            >
                            > units are the Match Box II I am using and the M-Audio FX-66 unit. It
                            >
                            > might be at least a consideration with some who are having issues with
                            >
                            > Vista to take a look at those alternatives.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Bruce, K2BET
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Alan R. Hill wrote:
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > I downloaded it and ran it hooked up to my FT-450AT through a
                            >
                            > > SignaLink USB box and it ran flawlessly on Windows 7 Home Premium
                            >
                            > > without alteration or special configurations. I was surprised to see
                            >
                            > > it work with live traffic from my 450.
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > Alan W6ARH
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > *From:* softrock40@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:softrock40@yahoogro ups.com]
                            >
                            > > *On Behalf Of *David Kopf
                            >
                            > > *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2009 4:36 PM
                            >
                            > > *To:* softrock40@yahoogro ups.com
                            >
                            > > *Subject:* Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > OK, got PowerSDR v1.18.3 running on my Vista 32 bit laptop, in demo mode.
                            >
                            > > .NET 1.1 and 3.5 apparently coexist, but I'll be watching for problems in
                            >
                            > > other programs...
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > First launch, did FFT tests, then hung with high CPU usage. Kill with
                            >
                            > > Task
                            >
                            > > manager.
                            >
                            > > Several more launches, banner screen, then hang with high CPU usage. Kill
                            >
                            > > with Task manager.
                            >
                            > > Change properties of PowerSDR.exe, check run in XPSP2 compatibility mode,
                            >
                            > > launch, banner screen goes a bit farther, hangs on initialize PortAudio.
                            >
                            > > Plug in USB microphone/headset, launch, programs starts. Seems to work in
                            >
                            > > demo mode.
                            >
                            > > Change properties, uncheck run in XPSP2 compatibility mode, launch, works!
                            >
                            > > Unplug USB microphone, launch, hangs on initialize PortAudio. Other
                            >
                            > > programs generally say "no sound card" at this point, as system doesn't
                            >
                            > > report the built-in hardware unless a mike is connected to jack. Kill
                            >
                            > > with
                            >
                            > > Task manager.
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > Seems to work in native mode now if a sound input device is present.
                            >
                            > > If the
                            >
                            > > smoke stays in I can try the v9.0 USB tomorrow. But I don't have the
                            >
                            > > Si570
                            >
                            > > chip to install yet.
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            >
                            > > From: "Mr Doug -" <dsc3507@yahoo. com <mailto:dsc3507% 40yahoo.com> >
                            >
                            > > To: <softrock40@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:softrock40% 40yahoogroups. com>>
                            >
                            > > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:51 PM
                            >
                            > > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors [1 Attachment]
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > Bob,
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > The database files had been deleted. I did that many times to start
                            >
                            > > over, so
                            >
                            > > when the screenshot was taken I had previously deleted.
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > But call me persistent or stubborn whatever, I have had some success here
                            >
                            > > today. I should have written down everything I have done but
                            >
                            > > unfortunately I
                            >
                            > > did not. Anyhow I was able to get PDSR 1.9.0 SR40 working. I put it in
                            >
                            > > WINXP
                            >
                            > > SP2 compat mode and it came up! Then selecting proper things it did
                            >
                            > > work and
                            >
                            > > tune my 570. It is not as nice as 1.18.0 in that the freq hops are
                            >
                            > > noticeable. E.G. you tune and see an end on the display then when you
                            >
                            > > get to
                            >
                            > > the end it hops up to next range. Also I get an exception fault
                            >
                            > > everytime I
                            >
                            > > run it on first hitting START. If I then ignore (hit continue) the
                            >
                            > > error and
                            >
                            > > hit STOP and START again all is fine. See attachment. Also the PTT LED
                            >
                            > > follows PTT in 1.9.0
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > >
                            >
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                          • Mr Doug -
                            OK some further comments. I just tried running 1.9.0 in SDR1000 mode and yes it does tune smoothly and PTT works BUT upon reentry to the program I get fatal
                            Message 15 of 24 , Dec 13, 2009
                              OK some further comments.

                              I just tried running 1.9.0 in SDR1000 mode and yes it does tune smoothly and PTT works BUT upon reentry to the program I get fatal error again and program will not run (same screenshot of windows error). If I delete the database it will rerun and if I select Softrock40 it comes up.  I still get the internal exception error on first time hitting START, which I ignore, and it works fine.

                              My theory here is that BOTH 1.12.20 amd 1.9.0 have some kind of initialization problem with the USB which causes an error. The errors are apparently handled differently as 1.12.20 gives an internal error that it cannot communicate with USB and you cannot ignore while 1.9.0 gives a windows error you can ignore. So 1.12.20 is unusable and 1.9.0 is usable with mentioned handicaps.

                              I further theorize that other MS OS's may not care or handle these errors differently. I have not had anyone report that either of these versions do or do not work in their Vista.

                              I am sure both could be traced to the same source if we knew what that was. The screenshot I sent for 1.9.0 should give a clue to that if the author cares to look into it. Probably the code is (maybe) to old to bother with. I would really like to see the DLL for the later versions fixed for TX if that is possible.

                              Doug

                              --- On Sun, 12/13/09, g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@...> wrote:

                              From: g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@...>
                              Subject: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
                              To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 3:37 AM

                               

                              Hi Doug,

                              Fine on making some progress and having removed the PowerSDR.mdb file at the time you took those screen shots.

                              I know it probably got lost in the midst of all the messages, but I did comment for v1.9.0 sr40, if you select 'SoftRock' as the radio type it jumps at the extremes of the screen tuning range, however if you select 'SDR-1000' as the radio type, it then gives you continuous tuning, the much better choice.

                              Using the .net database is the biggest mess with PSDR as far as I can see, totally bloated piece of software, and to make matters worse, the latest beta of PSDR v1.19 requires .net v3.5 which Microsoft very kindly prevents for being installed with Win2000, just telling you to upgrade your operating system.

                              You can have multiple versions of it installed together, at least two on this PC.

                              I have never seen the USB / PTT function work on either FlexRadio versions v1.16 or v1.18. Not sure anyway if those can be used for transmit with the SoftRock, never tried it here as they do not allow any me to compensate for the one sample delay between channels on my SoundBlaster card, so no image rejection possible.

                              Not sure why you are having difficulty with PSDR-IQ v1.12.20, think all the common set up problems have all been covered, so possibly something far more subtle in your PC configuration or installed software.

                              73, Bob G8VOI

                              --- In softrock40@yahoogro ups.com, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@... > wrote:
                              >
                              > Ok. Well this thread started wit my Si570 interfacing issues but there also appears to be issues in Vista regarding audio. In fact FlexRadio themselves recommends or requires the ASIO interface (asio4all) for use with PowerSDR in Vista.  Without it here, all I get is choppy audio.
                              >
                              > This is at 48 lhz!!! What I don't understand is how can I play 192khz audio files and AC3 stuff without a flaw as well as other audio decoding but PSDR barfs?  The other things are running with either MME or direct sound.  PSDR barfs on both.  Very strange. It makes me believe these 3rd party vendors do no understand how to interface to Vista. It must not be a secret because many vendors have gotten it right. To me the excuse that Vista is broken is just that, a big excuse. Eventually they will have to deal with it when the use of Vista and now Windows 7 increases or they will lose market share to someone who does.
                              >
                              > I think cards that have native ASIO drivers would work better. The ASIO4ALL emulator driver works wwith any vard BUT it takes exclusive control of the audio card when it is running. Thus you cannot play anything else at the same time unless you have another card.
                              >
                              > Also external USB might be better and as you mentioned there ate many now out there. I was looking at the EM 0404 as a possible buy.  It does support and have an ASIO driver.
                              >
                              > Doug  



                            • g8voip
                              Hi Doug, I think the jury is still probably out. I am surprised (or not really) at the lack of responses from Vista users and their experiences in running the
                              Message 16 of 24 , Dec 13, 2009
                                Hi Doug,

                                I think the jury is still probably out. I am surprised (or not really) at the lack of responses from Vista users and their experiences in running the different versions of PSDR.

                                I would not be surprised if the authors of those versions have just not bothered trying to resolve any issues using Vista, given its poor reputation.

                                I am not a programmer, therefore not qualified to comment, but when I see guys like Alex ceasing to continue development of his Rocky program due to Vista related sound problems, I suspect the current generation of SDR programs will not progress much further, and it will require a new generation to come along to address the problems, and they probably will no longer be backward compatible!

                                73, Bob G8VOI
                              • Mr Doug -
                                YesI  think that is a fact of life. If not we would all still be using MSDOS and 5 1/4 inch floppies!! It took years to get people off of Win95. It will
                                Message 17 of 24 , Dec 13, 2009
                                  YesI  think that is a fact of life. If not we would all still be using MSDOS and 5 1/4 inch floppies!!

                                  It took years to get people off of Win95. It will probably take longer to get them off of WinXP. The problem is there really are some very nice features in Vista and now Windows 7. I see more problems with recent software not running in older OS's and hardware then vice versa.  Biggest problem is trying to run Vista with less than 1G of memory. 2-4G or more is best.

                                  I was listening very late on 75 meters last night and lots of UK station on. like 2 AM here. Are you on HF? Maybe too early in the morning for you!

                                  Doug

                                  --- On Sun, 12/13/09, g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@...> wrote:

                                  From: g8voip <g8voi.reeves59@...>
                                  Subject: [softrock40] Re: PSDR errors
                                  To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 11:24 AM

                                   

                                  Hi Doug,

                                  I think the jury is still probably out. I am surprised (or not really) at the lack of responses from Vista users and their experiences in running the different versions of PSDR.

                                  I would not be surprised if the authors of those versions have just not bothered trying to resolve any issues using Vista, given its poor reputation.

                                  I am not a programmer, therefore not qualified to comment, but when I see guys like Alex ceasing to continue development of his Rocky program due to Vista related sound problems, I suspect the current generation of SDR programs will not progress much further, and it will require a new generation to come along to address the problems, and they probably will no longer be backward compatible!

                                  73, Bob G8VOI


                                • sv1eia
                                  Bob, Regarding PSDR, initially started with the development environment of VisualStudio.NET (2003) and .NET Framework 1.1 and it was targeted to the XP
                                  Message 18 of 24 , Dec 13, 2009
                                    Bob,

                                    Regarding PSDR, initially started with the development environment of VisualStudio.NET (2003) and .NET Framework 1.1 and it was targeted to the XP platform.
                                    That situation remained until recently in Flex until they released a 1.18 version that is from now on VisualStudio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5 and is targeted to Vista and most likely W7.

                                    It will take a while for this iteration to reach the homebrew community here and the PSDR derivatives since new development tools (licenses) are required and a bottom-up refurbishment of the programming additions is needed.

                                    That will eventually come though but the timing of it is another story.

                                    I hope that make things a bit more clear.

                                    73,
                                    Christos SV1EIA



                                    --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, "g8voip" <g8voi.reeves59@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Hi Doug,
                                    >
                                    > I think the jury is still probably out. I am surprised (or not really) at the lack of responses from Vista users and their experiences in running the different versions of PSDR.
                                    >
                                    > I would not be surprised if the authors of those versions have just not bothered trying to resolve any issues using Vista, given its poor reputation.
                                    >
                                    > I am not a programmer, therefore not qualified to comment, but when I see guys like Alex ceasing to continue development of his Rocky program due to Vista related sound problems, I suspect the current generation of SDR programs will not progress much further, and it will require a new generation to come along to address the problems, and they probably will no longer be backward compatible!
                                    >
                                    > 73, Bob G8VOI
                                    >
                                  • g8voip
                                    Hi Christos, Thanks for that update. For me it is not a problem, and I certainly will not be moving to Vista or Windows 7, having seen all the problems others
                                    Message 19 of 24 , Dec 13, 2009
                                      Hi Christos,

                                      Thanks for that update.

                                      For me it is not a problem, and I certainly will not be moving to Vista or Windows 7, having seen all the problems others are having.

                                      I think most people forget the large cost of investing in new development tools, particularly for hobby use only.

                                      I can easily run all of the available SDR programs, apart from the latest beta version from FlexRadio here on my Win2000 PC, but do have another running WinXP which I could use if I wanted.

                                      73, Bob G8VOI


                                      --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, "sv1eia" <sv1eia@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Bob,
                                      >
                                      > Regarding PSDR, initially started with the development environment of VisualStudio.NET (2003) and .NET Framework 1.1 and it was targeted to the XP platform.
                                      > That situation remained until recently in Flex until they released a 1.18 version that is from now on VisualStudio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5 and is targeted to Vista and most likely W7.
                                      >
                                      > It will take a while for this iteration to reach the homebrew community here and the PSDR derivatives since new development tools (licenses) are required and a bottom-up refurbishment of the programming additions is needed.
                                      >
                                      > That will eventually come though but the timing of it is another story.
                                      >
                                      > I hope that make things a bit more clear.
                                      >
                                      > 73,
                                      > Christos SV1EIA
                                      >
                                    • Marciniak, Ed
                                      When playing back from a recorded source, the developer is free to buffer as much as they want so long as they synchronize the video and audio playback. When
                                      Message 20 of 24 , Dec 13, 2009

                                        When playing back from a recorded source, the developer is free to buffer as much as they want so long as they synchronize the video and audio playback. When using a realtime stream you don’t get quite that much freedom.

                                         

                                        Perhaps your system is losing interrupts or some other issue?

                                         

                                        Would you like to correspond off list?

                                         

                                        --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...> wrote:

                                        >
                                        > Ok. Well this thread started wit my Si570 interfacing issues but there
                                        also appears to be issues in Vista regarding audio. In fact FlexRadio themselves recommends or requires the ASIO interface (asio4all) for use with PowerSDR in Vista.  Without it here, all I get is choppy audio.
                                        >
                                        > This is at 48 lhz!!! What I don't understand is how can I play 192khz
                                        audio files and AC3 stuff without a flaw as well as other audio decoding but PSDR barfs?  The other things are running with either MME or direct sound.  PSDR barfs on both.  Very strange. It makes me believe these 3rd party vendors do no understand how to interface to Vista. It must not be a secret because many vendors have gotten it right. To me the excuse that Vista is broken is just that, a big excuse. Eventually they will have to deal with it when the use of Vista and now Windows 7 increases or they will lose market share to someone who does.
                                        >
                                        > I think cards that have native ASIO drivers would work better. The
                                        ASIO4ALL emulator driver works wwith any vard BUT it takes exclusive control of the audio card when it is running. Thus you cannot play anything else at the same time unless you have another card.
                                        >
                                        > Also external USB might be better and as you mentioned there ate many now
                                        out there. I was looking at the EM 0404 as a possible buy.  It does support and have an ASIO driver.
                                        >
                                        > Doug  

                                      • Mr Doug -
                                        OK Well I will go along with the buffering to a degree. I have a (Hauppauge) HD tuner on my USB bus doing full HD video and audio.  It does not skip a beat
                                        Message 21 of 24 , Dec 13, 2009
                                          OK Well I will go along with the buffering to a degree. I have a (Hauppauge) HD tuner on my USB bus doing full HD video and audio.  It does not skip a beat and while buffered it is not much behind real-time.  The data rates encountered in 48Khz audio are far far below what is encountered with this interface.

                                          Perhaps it is an audio card issue. I am using Intel motherboard IDT "high definition" audio. I do plan to get a better sound card. 

                                          This is a fairly modern system though that I use to edit video which has been brought in on firewire, etc.  The task of SD seens rather trivial compared to other task performed on the system.

                                          Doug

                                          --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Marciniak, Ed <elmarciniak@...> wrote:

                                          From: Marciniak, Ed <elmarciniak@...>
                                          Subject: [softrock40] 48 / 192 / AC3 audio
                                          To: "softrock40@yahoogroups.com" <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:06 PM

                                           

                                          When playing back from a recorded source, the developer is free to buffer as much as they want so long as they synchronize the video and audio playback. When using a realtime stream you don’t get quite that much freedom.

                                           

                                          Perhaps your system is losing interrupts or some other issue?

                                           

                                          Would you like to correspond off list?

                                           

                                          --- In softrock40@yahoogro ups.com, Mr Doug - <dsc3507@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Ok. Well this thread started wit my Si570 interfacing issues but there also appears to be issues in Vista regarding audio. In fact FlexRadio themselves recommends or requires the ASIO interface (asio4all) for use with PowerSDR in Vista.  Without it here, all I get is choppy audio.
                                          >
                                          > This is at 48 lhz!!! What I don't understand is how can I play 192khz audio files and AC3 stuff without a flaw as well as other audio decoding but PSDR barfs?  The other things are running with either MME or direct sound.  PSDR barfs on both.  Very strange. It makes me believe these 3rd party vendors do no understand how to interface to Vista. It must not be a secret because many vendors have gotten it right. To me the excuse that Vista is broken is just that, a big excuse. Eventually they will have to deal with it when the use of Vista and now Windows 7 increases or they will lose market share to someone who does.
                                          >
                                          > I think cards that have native ASIO drivers would work better. The ASIO4ALL emulator driver works wwith any vard BUT it takes exclusive control of the audio card when it is running. Thus you cannot play anything else at the same time unless you have another card.
                                          >
                                          > Also external USB might be better and as you mentioned there ate many now out there. I was looking at the EM 0404 as a possible buy.  It does support and have an ASIO driver.
                                          >
                                          > Doug  


                                        • k5nwa
                                          ... Don t be surprised, the jury decided before they heard the case. Vista will work with various SDR software the problems get harder when you have the 64
                                          Message 22 of 24 , Dec 13, 2009
                                            At 10:24 AM 12/13/2009, you wrote:
                                            >Hi Doug,
                                            >
                                            >I think the jury is still probably out. I am surprised (or not
                                            >really) at the lack of responses from Vista users and their
                                            >experiences in running the different versions of PSDR.
                                            >
                                            >I would not be surprised if the authors of those versions have just
                                            >not bothered trying to resolve any issues using Vista, given its
                                            >poor reputation.
                                            >
                                            >I am not a programmer, therefore not qualified to comment, but when
                                            >I see guys like Alex ceasing to continue development of his Rocky
                                            >program due to Vista related sound problems, I suspect the current
                                            >generation of SDR programs will not progress much further, and it
                                            >will require a new generation to come along to address the problems,
                                            >and they probably will no longer be backward compatible!
                                            >
                                            >73, Bob G8VOI

                                            Don't be surprised, the jury decided before they heard the
                                            case. Vista will work with various SDR software the problems get
                                            harder when you have the 64 bit versions.

                                            As far as Alex goes when you write software you have choices on how
                                            to write the software, I conclude that his sound interface is buried
                                            through his program and it would be so much work to make it work with
                                            something else that it's not worth the effort. I've heard some rumor
                                            that he is working on a new program but if this is true or not I
                                            can't even begin to guess. If the source code would be available then
                                            others could pick it up, but that is wishful thinking that is
                                            unlikely to come true.

                                            If someone wishes to write new software I hope they use something
                                            like what Alberto used in Winrad, that is that the sound code is de
                                            coupled from the program and you use a DLL to contain all the
                                            hardware specific code, he documented his interface and other people
                                            have written their own DLL to interface to their radio, it has worked
                                            well. He does have his source code available, unfortunately it uses a
                                            version of C Builder that is very expensive so most people are left
                                            out of the loop.

                                            There is good news in the horizon, Flex is close to releasing their
                                            code that can compile with MS Visual Express 2008 which is free, and
                                            I'm hoping that by next summer they will be releasing their new
                                            re-write of their software, it will have many features that are going
                                            to be quite useful. If you remotely entertain using that software and
                                            would like to modify it then get your copy of MS Visual Express 2008
                                            once they release version 2010 the previous version will not be available.


                                            Cecil
                                            k5nwa
                                            www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com
                                            < http://parts.softrockradio.org/ >

                                            Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
                                          • sv1eia
                                            Cecil, The PSDR is already ported to VS2008 and you can get it from the SVN by checkout in the branches section. But I m not sure if the free -Express-
                                            Message 23 of 24 , Dec 13, 2009
                                              Cecil,

                                              The PSDR is already ported to VS2008 and you can get it from the SVN by checkout in the branches section.
                                              But I'm not sure if the free -Express- development version from MS could cope with it, meaning all the contained projects/components of the solution.

                                              73,
                                              Christos SV1EIA




                                              --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, k5nwa <k5nwa@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > At 10:24 AM 12/13/2009, you wrote:
                                              > >Hi Doug,
                                              > >
                                              > >I think the jury is still probably out. I am surprised (or not
                                              > >really) at the lack of responses from Vista users and their
                                              > >experiences in running the different versions of PSDR.
                                              > >
                                              > >I would not be surprised if the authors of those versions have just
                                              > >not bothered trying to resolve any issues using Vista, given its
                                              > >poor reputation.
                                              > >
                                              > >I am not a programmer, therefore not qualified to comment, but when
                                              > >I see guys like Alex ceasing to continue development of his Rocky
                                              > >program due to Vista related sound problems, I suspect the current
                                              > >generation of SDR programs will not progress much further, and it
                                              > >will require a new generation to come along to address the problems,
                                              > >and they probably will no longer be backward compatible!
                                              > >
                                              > >73, Bob G8VOI
                                              >
                                              > Don't be surprised, the jury decided before they heard the
                                              > case. Vista will work with various SDR software the problems get
                                              > harder when you have the 64 bit versions.
                                              >
                                              > As far as Alex goes when you write software you have choices on how
                                              > to write the software, I conclude that his sound interface is buried
                                              > through his program and it would be so much work to make it work with
                                              > something else that it's not worth the effort. I've heard some rumor
                                              > that he is working on a new program but if this is true or not I
                                              > can't even begin to guess. If the source code would be available then
                                              > others could pick it up, but that is wishful thinking that is
                                              > unlikely to come true.
                                              >
                                              > If someone wishes to write new software I hope they use something
                                              > like what Alberto used in Winrad, that is that the sound code is de
                                              > coupled from the program and you use a DLL to contain all the
                                              > hardware specific code, he documented his interface and other people
                                              > have written their own DLL to interface to their radio, it has worked
                                              > well. He does have his source code available, unfortunately it uses a
                                              > version of C Builder that is very expensive so most people are left
                                              > out of the loop.
                                              >
                                              > There is good news in the horizon, Flex is close to releasing their
                                              > code that can compile with MS Visual Express 2008 which is free, and
                                              > I'm hoping that by next summer they will be releasing their new
                                              > re-write of their software, it will have many features that are going
                                              > to be quite useful. If you remotely entertain using that software and
                                              > would like to modify it then get your copy of MS Visual Express 2008
                                              > once they release version 2010 the previous version will not be available.
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Cecil
                                              > k5nwa
                                              > www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com
                                              > < http://parts.softrockradio.org/ >
                                              >
                                              > Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
                                              >
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