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  • David Heinsohn
    This packaging thing is one of the fun parts of working with any board only kit. My wife, KB4WYR, (That s the Wild Young Redhead), though a geek due to ham
    Message 1 of 20 , Jun 26 5:39 AM
    This packaging thing is one of the fun parts of working with any board
    only kit. My wife, KB4WYR, (That's the Wild Young Redhead), though a
    geek due to ham radio, is NOT all that interested in building stuff.
    She does however enjoy the stuff I play with. To that end she has had
    some laughs at the kits stuffed into Altoids boxes. When I started on
    the 6.3 she started keeping her eyes out for tins that could be used for
    an enclosure. Here is what she found, and what the board looks like
    inside it.
    As you can see I've managed to finish the board, but then we ordered a
    K2. I'm afraid the 6.3 has moved to the back of the work bench for a bit.

    Enjoy,
    David
  • Brian Hall
    I ve used the large hinged one with the clear top and been very happy with how it showcases one s work. These are the guys that supply Altoids w/ their tins
    Message 2 of 20 , Jun 26 6:27 AM
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      I've used the large hinged one with the clear top and been very happy with how it showcases one's work.  These are the guys that supply Altoids w/ their tins and they are bare metal, which I feel gives a more professional look.  I ordered several sizes in lots of 10 because they're so cheap.

      http://www.specialtybottle.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=63

      Brian AC7NA


      From: Kees & Sandy <windy10605@...>
      To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:08:36 PM
      Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging

      I saw some larger Altoids tins as a promotion some years back but they didn't take off. Don't remember the measurements.

      73 Kees K5BCQ 

      ---------- Original Message ----------
      From: "Grant McDuling" <mcduling@optusnet. com.au>
      To: softrock40@yahoogro ups.com
      Subject: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging
      Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:29:37 -0000

      Great pics, Kees. Do you know if Altoids make larger tins?

      Grant VK4JAZ



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    • Van
      Ordering those tins in batches of 4 minimizes shipping cost, they use USPS instead of UPS. Van / AE5CC lvwarren.blogspot.com - Extreme Soft Radio in Google
      Message 3 of 20 , Jun 26 8:34 AM
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        Ordering those tins in batches of 4 minimizes shipping cost, they use USPS instead of UPS.

        Van / AE5CC

        lvwarren.blogspot.com - Extreme Soft Radio in Google Earth
      • eplerkeppler
        Very nice Kees. (Looking at the photo SoftRock Lite V8.3 Receiver http://groups.yahoo.com/group/softrock40/photos/recent/901796471/view ) It s a beauty.
        Message 4 of 20 , Jun 27 9:23 AM
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          Very nice Kees.

          (Looking at the photo 'SoftRock Lite V8.3 Receiver'
          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/softrock40/photos/recent/901796471/view
          )

          It's a beauty. This picture should have a place in one of the ham magazines.

          The metal finish is a good match for the LCD's metal frame.

          I was wondering what you had been up to lately. :)

          BTW, I forgot to tell you that the solder I used on the G0BBL 2 meter board is the non-Pb high temperature solder. So I worry that it might have been a bear for you to try to solder onto with regular Pb solder without knowing this. I'll send you a length of the non-Pb stuff in the mail.


          -- Charles WC5MC



          --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, "Kees" <windy10605@...> wrote:
          >
          > I've uploaded some pictures to the photo section, under my call, of my SR Lite Receiver and one of the SR RxTx units in a relatively small tin from "Specialty Bottle". The tins measure 3-1/2" x 5-1/2" x 7/8" and it does fit with cables and extra BPFs ....with a few minor mods.
          >
          > The RxTx is not complete (interconnect wiring) but the idea is to have only that one tin and a netbook computer (and external Tx battery when needed).
          >
          > Those "large" Altoids type tins look much better when you don't try to drill the thin tin bottom cover and use a nice thick aluminum front panel for mounting everything.
          >
          > 73 Kees K5BCQ
          >
          > 73 Kees K5BCQ
          >
        • Kees & Sandy
          I have been tied up on many things, unfortunately none have involved your board. 73 Kees K5BCQ ... From: eplerkeppler To:
          Message 5 of 20 , Jun 27 10:52 AM
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            I have been tied up on many things, unfortunately none have involved your board.

            73 Kees K5BCQ

            ---------- Original Message ----------
            From: "eplerkeppler" <eplerkeppler@...>
            To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging
            Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:23:36 -0000

            Very nice Kees.

            (Looking at the photo 'SoftRock Lite V8.3 Receiver'
            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/softrock40/photos/recent/901796471/view
            )

            It's a beauty.  This picture should have a place in one of the ham magazines.

            The metal finish is a good match for the LCD's metal frame.

            I was wondering what you had been up to lately.  :)

            BTW, I forgot to tell you that the solder I used on the G0BBL 2 meter board is the non-Pb high temperature solder.  So I worry that it might have been a bear for you to try to solder onto with regular Pb solder without knowing this.   I'll send you a length of the non-Pb stuff in the mail.


            -- Charles  WC5MC



            --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, "Kees" <windy10605@...> wrote:
            >
            > I've uploaded some pictures to the photo section, under my call, of my SR Lite Receiver and one of the SR RxTx units in a relatively small tin from "Specialty Bottle". The tins measure 3-1/2" x 5-1/2" x 7/8" and it does fit with cables and extra BPFs ....with a few minor mods.
            >
            > The RxTx is not complete (interconnect wiring) but the idea is to have only that one tin and a netbook computer (and external Tx battery when needed).
            >
            > Those "large" Altoids type tins look much better when you don't try to drill the thin tin bottom cover and use a nice thick aluminum front panel for mounting everything.
            >
            > 73 Kees K5BCQ
            >
            > 73 Kees K5BCQ
            >




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          • Tim O'Rourke
            Kees I have built your DDS but have never used it with a SR. How does the program know what frequency you have the controller st at? BTW nice bit of kit works
            Message 6 of 20 , Jun 29 4:13 AM
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              Kees
              I have built your DDS but have never used it with a SR.
              How does the program know what frequency you have the controller st at?
              BTW nice bit of kit works great as a signal generator!
              Tim W4YN
              --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, "Kees" <windy10605@...> wrote:
              >
              > I've uploaded some pictures to the photo section, under my call, of my SR Lite Receiver and one of the SR RxTx units in a relatively small tin from "Specialty Bottle". The tins measure 3-1/2" x 5-1/2" x 7/8" and it does fit with cables and extra BPFs ....with a few minor mods.
              >
              > The RxTx is not complete (interconnect wiring) but the idea is to have only that one tin and a netbook computer (and external Tx battery when needed).
              >
              > Those "large" Altoids type tins look much better when you don't try to drill the thin tin bottom cover and use a nice thick aluminum front panel for mounting everything.
              >
              > 73 Kees K5BCQ
              >
              > 73 Kees K5BCQ
              >
            • Alan
              ... From: Tim O Rourke ... It does not. It is best used either as a source of fixed centre frequencies or as a VFO with it s display indicating frequency.
              Message 7 of 20 , Jun 29 4:28 AM
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                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Tim O'Rourke"
                > I have built your DDS but have never used it with a SR.
                > How does the program know what frequency you have the controller st at?

                It does not. It is best used either as a source of "fixed" centre
                frequencies or as a VFO with it's display indicating frequency. I'm fairly
                certain you may give it a small (eg 10KHz?) offset so the readout is
                correct.

                73 Alan G4ZFQ
              • Sid Boyce
                ... The program is not controlling the frequency so it has no idea - it doesn t interface with the Si570. You read the frequency from the LCD dial and you set
                Message 8 of 20 , Jun 29 5:17 AM
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                  Tim O'Rourke wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Kees
                  > I have built your DDS but have never used it with a SR.
                  > How does the program know what frequency you have the controller st at?
                  > BTW nice bit of kit works great as a signal generator!
                  > Tim W4YN
                  The program is not controlling the frequency so it has no idea - it
                  doesn't interface with the Si570. You read the frequency from the LCD
                  dial and you set the mode via the program. Using PowerSDR-IQ, the
                  interface is set to "Demo" and the frequency readout is whatever it was
                  before.
                  Check my write-up at
                  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/softrock40/files/G3VBV/Si570_Controller_with_Softrock.txt
                  which hopefully will reveal all. Get back to me if you have further
                  questions - it's excellent for 0-30 MHz with automatic filter switching.
                  73 ... Sid.

                  > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>,
                  > "Kees" <windy10605@...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > I've uploaded some pictures to the photo section, under my call, of
                  > my SR Lite Receiver and one of the SR RxTx units in a relatively small
                  > tin from "Specialty Bottle". The tins measure 3-1/2" x 5-1/2" x 7/8" and
                  > it does fit with cables and extra BPFs ....with a few minor mods.
                  > >
                  > > The RxTx is not complete (interconnect wiring) but the idea is to
                  > have only that one tin and a netbook computer (and external Tx battery
                  > when needed).
                  > >
                  > > Those "large" Altoids type tins look much better when you don't try
                  > to drill the thin tin bottom cover and use a nice thick aluminum front
                  > panel for mounting everything.
                  > >
                  > > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                  > >
                  > > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                  > >
                  >

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                  Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
                  Specialist, Cricket Coach
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                • Kees & Sandy
                  Thanks for the nice comments on the Si570 Controller kit. When you remotely supply the SoftRock frequency there is no connection to the software. 73 Kees K5BCQ
                  Message 9 of 20 , Jun 29 5:49 AM
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                    Thanks for the nice comments on the Si570 Controller kit. When you remotely supply the SoftRock frequency there is no connection to the software. 

                    73 Kees K5BCQ

                    ---------- Original Message ----------
                    From: "Tim O'Rourke" <w4yn@...>
                    To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging
                    Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:13:56 -0000

                    Kees
                    I have built your DDS but have never used it with a SR.
                    How does the program know what frequency you have the controller st at?
                    BTW nice bit of kit works great as a signal generator!
                    Tim W4YN

                    --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, "Kees" <windy10605@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > I've uploaded some pictures to the photo section, under my call, of my SR Lite Receiver and one of the SR RxTx units in a relatively small tin from "Specialty Bottle". The tins measure 3-1/2" x 5-1/2" x 7/8" and it does fit with cables and extra BPFs ....with a few minor mods.
                    >
                    > The RxTx is not complete (interconnect wiring) but the idea is to have only that one tin and a netbook computer (and external Tx battery when needed).
                    >
                    > Those "large" Altoids type tins look much better when you don't try to drill the thin tin bottom cover and use a nice thick aluminum front panel for mounting everything.
                    >
                    > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                    >
                    > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                    >




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                  • Kees & Sandy
                    Thanks again for the detailed Si570 Controller write-up, Sid. 73 Kees K5BCQ ... From: Sid Boyce To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                    Message 10 of 20 , Jun 29 6:15 AM
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                      Thanks again for the detailed Si570 Controller write-up, Sid.

                      73 Kees K5BCQ

                      ---------- Original Message ----------
                      From: Sid Boyce <sboyce@...>
                      To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging
                      Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:17:59 +0100

                      Tim O'Rourke wrote:

                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Kees
                      > I have built your DDS but have never used it with a SR.
                      > How does the program know what frequency you have the controller st at?
                      > BTW nice bit of kit works great as a signal generator!
                      > Tim W4YN
                      The program is not controlling the frequency so it has no idea - it
                      doesn't interface with the Si570. You read the frequency from the LCD
                      dial and you set the mode via the program. Using PowerSDR-IQ, the
                      interface is set to "Demo" and the frequency readout is whatever it was
                      before.
                      Check my write-up at
                      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/softrock40/files/G3VBV/Si570_Controller_with_Softrock.txt
                      which hopefully will reveal all. Get back to me if you have further
                      questions - it's excellent for 0-30 MHz with automatic filter switching.
                      73 ... Sid.

                      > --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com <mailto:softrock40%40yahoogroups.com>,
                      > "Kees" <windy10605@...> wrote:
                      >  >
                      >  > I've uploaded some pictures to the photo section, under my call, of
                      > my SR Lite Receiver and one of the SR RxTx units in a relatively small
                      > tin from "Specialty Bottle". The tins measure 3-1/2" x 5-1/2" x 7/8" and
                      > it does fit with cables and extra BPFs ....with a few minor mods.
                      >  >
                      >  > The RxTx is not complete (interconnect wiring) but the idea is to
                      > have only that one tin and a netbook computer (and external Tx battery
                      > when needed).
                      >  >
                      >  > Those "large" Altoids type tins look much better when you don't try
                      > to drill the thin tin bottom cover and use a nice thick aluminum front
                      > panel for mounting everything.
                      >  >
                      >  > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                      >  >
                      >  > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                      >  >
                      >

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                    • Tom Hoflich
                       Since I posted about using Kees synthesizer a week or so ago, I will give a little more detail using with Rocky. You can save the frequencys that you want in
                      Message 11 of 20 , Jun 29 9:36 AM
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                         Since I posted about using Kees synthesizer a week or so ago, I will give a little more detail using with Rocky.

                        You can save the frequencys that you want in the synthesizers memories.
                        Then you put the same frequencies in the rocky.ini file.
                        Then you just match them up and your display show the receive frequencies correctly.

                        Remember that the synthesizer frequency will be 4 times the rocky frequency(received).  But, I think the synthesizer can compenste for this.  Is that right Kees?

                        73, Tom KM5H


                        --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Kees & Sandy <windy10605@...> wrote:

                        From: Kees & Sandy <windy10605@...>
                        Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging
                        To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 7:49 AM

                        Thanks for the nice comments on the Si570 Controller kit. When you remotely supply the SoftRock frequency there is no connection to the software. 

                        73 Kees K5BCQ

                        ---------- Original Message ----------
                        From: "Tim O'Rourke" <w4yn@...>
                        To: softrock40@yahoogro ups.com
                        Subject: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging
                        Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:13:56 -0000

                        Kees
                        I have built your DDS but have never used it with a SR.
                        How does the program know what frequency you have the controller st at?
                        BTW nice bit of kit works great as a signal generator!
                        Tim W4YN
                        --- In softrock40@yahoogro ups.com, "Kees" <windy10605@. ..> wrote:
                        >
                        > I've uploaded some pictures to the photo section, under my call, of my SR Lite Receiver and one of the SR RxTx units in a relatively small tin from "Specialty Bottle". The tins measure 3-1/2" x 5-1/2" x 7/8" and it does fit with cables and extra BPFs ....with a few minor mods.
                        >
                        > The RxTx is not complete (interconnect wiring) but the idea is to have only that one tin and a netbook computer (and external Tx battery when needed).
                        >
                        > Those "large" Altoids type tins look much better when you don't try to drill the thin tin bottom cover and use a nice thick aluminum front panel for mounting everything.
                        >
                        > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                        >
                        > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                        >




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                      • Kees & Sandy
                        Tom, Yes you are correct on the 4x statement. I took Sid Boyce s documentation and edited it a little as follows...... 73 Kees K5BCQ
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                          Tom, Yes you are correct on the 4x statement. I took Sid Boyce's documentation and edited it a little as follows......

                          73 Kees K5BCQ

                          http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/Kits/Kits.html

                          The Si570 Controller and Frequency Generator Kit #2 includes a 12 digit LCD frequency display, a programmed MC9S08QG8 microcontroller, and a rotary encoder for tuning. For Softrock, it can be used #1) to replace the regular USB I2C interface to the Si570 mounted on the SoftRock or #2) you can mount the Si570 chip on the Controller and use the 4x frequency RF output to drive the SoftRock logic. Here are some further notes from Sid Boyce <sboyce@...>

                          relative to #1:

                          * The layout and component placements are shown mirror image, so care has to be taken when building, making sure you don't get confused about where parts should be placed and avoid having to remove and resolder.

                          * Have a good read of the document from end to end and reference the PCB as you do so. Additional files and photos under K5BCQ (Kees) folder - check them out on the SoftRock40 reflector, especially the photos.

                          * Solder the PCB pins directly on to the LCD display (see the pdf doc recommendations for testing before doing so). This ensures the shaft of the rotary encoder will protrude for easy attachment of a tuning knob and also form a solid structure that allows the shaft to be pushed inwards as needed for many operations and setup.

                          * You can use either the 3.3V battery box, +5V (R1 not installed, replaced by a wire) or 13.8V (R1 installed). As cautioned, do not connect both battery power and an external supply.

                          * For connection to the Softrock's Si570, the usual 3 connections need to be made………

                          SDA can be picked up at the space on the board at Si570 (pad7)

                          SCL ---------------------------- ditto -------------------------- Si570 (pad 8)

                          GND --------------------------- ditto -------------------------- Si570 (pad 3)

                          On the SR V6.3 these plug into U6 (PIC) socket in the same way as other USB controllers, e.g UBW, ATTiny45/85, etc.

                          * Band select is provided by outputs on P3 that would select the correct filters. Filter selections are made from locations 100 up. P3 supplies 3 bits and ground allowing selection of up to 8 bands.

                          Memory location 1xx selects "000" on the 3 output pins

                          Memory location 2xx selects "001" on the 3 output pins

                          Memory location 3xx selects "010" on the 3 output pins

                          Memory location 4xx selects "011" on the 3 output pins

                                                                  5xx 100

                                                                  6xx 101

                                                                  7xx 110

                          Memory location 8xx selects "111" on the 3 output pins

                          This is how Sid Boyce set his up for band switching. Pins 1 and 2 will switch the 4 RX BPF's. Additional band segments can be inserted, e.g you could set up more 4xx locations to easily move to other parts of the 10m band, avoiding the need of always having to tune up from 28.0 Mhz.

                          Mem loc  Band value P3 pins 1,2,3

                          -----------  ------  ------------ ----------------

                          100        160m 1810000    000

                          200          80m 3500000    100 (same BPF used for 40m/80m)

                          201          40m 7000000    100 (same BPF used for 40m/80m)

                          300          30m 10000000  010 (same BPF used for 17m/20m/30m)

                          301          20m 14197000 010 (same BPF used for 17m/20m/30m)

                          302          17m 18068000 010 (same BPF used for 17m/20m/30m)

                          400          15m 21000000 110 (same BPF used for 10m/12m/15m)

                          401          12m 24890000 110 (same BPF used for 10m/12m/15m)

                          402          10m 28000000 110 (same BPF used for 10m/12m/15m)

                          P3 output levels 0=0V 1=3.3V

                          I have set memory loc. 002 (startup frequency) to 301 so the unit powers up with 14.197 Mhz as default and loc. 003 set to 2 so the default decimal point is 2 positions in from the right 141970.00 ("hundreds" Hz).

                          Setting up

                          ========
                          * Initialize by pushing and holding in the rotary encoder shaft (switch is part of the rotary encoder) while powering on. It cycles through "code date", "micro initialization", "EEPROM reset", and eventually comes up displaying memory location "20" (default set to 10Mhz).

                          * The cursor dot appears to the right of the location, "20." 10000000 Release the push button, rotate the tuning knob to location "0". THIS IS IMPORTANT ….location "0" will display the default Si570 frequency for YOUR Si570. The Si570s obtained from Tony Parks, Tom Hoflich, or myself are all 56.320000Mhz. You might have ordered a 10Mhz part or a xyzMhz part. Adjustment is done by pushing on the knob while rotating it, you will see the cursor dot advance across the display, indicating which digit will roll with the rotary encoder when you stop pushing. Rotate the knob and move the cursor until the default frequency is correct. Push in the knob for 3 seconds, the memory changes to location "8" (next free location) - location "0" value of "Si570 default frequency" is now saved.

                          * A feature of the Si570 Controller is "Dial Lock" mode. If you momentarily (~1/2sec) push the knob (which you may accidentally do) the cursor dot will flash indicating "Dial Lock". Pushing it again will unlock the dial.

                          * Location "1" (Frequency Offset) needs to be set to "0" for SR. This is done by pushing on the knob while rotating it, you will see the dot advance across the display, when it is to the right most position, release the switch and rotate the knob until it reads "0". Push in the knob for 3 seconds, the memory changes to location "8" (next free location) - location "1" value of "0" is now saved.

                          * Rotate the knob to select other memory locations. Location "2" sets the power-on startup memory location. Location "3" sets the power-on startup digit position. Location "4" (default set to 1) is the Frequency Out Multiplier and needs to be set to 4 for SoftRock. Location "5" is the Frequency Out Divider and needs to be set to 1 for SoftRock (unless you are doing sub harmonic sampling). Location "6" controls pulses per digit or Dial Speed. Location "7" sets Dial Rotation Direction.

                          * Locations 20-999 are used to save your favorite frequencies. If say location 21 is set to 3.77MHz, you can tune anywhere in the 80m band for normal operation, but when you power off/on again, the saved 3.77Mhz will appear in location 21. In fact, you can tune all the way up and down across the HF spectrum from one memory location. The incremental change in frequency depends on where on the frequency readout you place the dot, e.g if you have 377.000000, the next step up will be to 378.00000 etc. The Controller frequency can be tuned away from it's set frequency, allowing tuning up and down the band. The standard programs PowerSDR-IQ, Rocky, Winrad, etc. work, but the USB setting has to be changed as you no longer have program control of the Si570. Sid used the Demo setting with PowerSDR-IQ. The 9V1AL Automatic Switched BPF board does the bandswitching. It's a little bit more involved than a normal commercial transceiver, but easy when you get the hang of using it. Sid has fitted a DPDT switch to the SDA/SCL lines so I can now switch between the Si570 Controller and the UBW.

                           



                          ---------- Original Message ----------
                          From: Tom Hoflich <km5h@...>
                          To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging
                          Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:36:09 -0700 (PDT)

                           Since I posted about using Kees synthesizer a week or so ago, I will give a little more detail using with Rocky.

                          You can save the frequencys that you want in the synthesizers memories.
                          Then you put the same frequencies in the rocky.ini file.
                          Then you just match them up and your display show the receive frequencies correctly.

                          Remember that the synthesizer frequency will be 4 times the rocky frequency(received).  But, I think the synthesizer can compenste for this.  Is that right Kees?

                          73, Tom KM5H


                          --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Kees & Sandy <windy10605@...> wrote:

                          From: Kees & Sandy <windy10605@...>
                          Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging
                          To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 7:49 AM

                          Thanks for the nice comments on the Si570 Controller kit. When you remotely supply the SoftRock frequency there is no connection to the software. 

                          73 Kees K5BCQ

                          ---------- Original Message ----------
                          From: "Tim O'Rourke" <w4yn@...>
                          To: softrock40@yahoogro ups.com
                          Subject: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging
                          Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:13:56 -0000

                          Kees
                          I have built your DDS but have never used it with a SR.
                          How does the program know what frequency you have the controller st at?
                          BTW nice bit of kit works great as a signal generator!
                          Tim W4YN
                          --- In softrock40@yahoogro ups.com, "Kees" <windy10605@. ..> wrote:
                          >
                          > I've uploaded some pictures to the photo section, under my call, of my SR Lite Receiver and one of the SR RxTx units in a relatively small tin from "Specialty Bottle". The tins measure 3-1/2" x 5-1/2" x 7/8" and it does fit with cables and extra BPFs ....with a few minor mods.
                          >
                          > The RxTx is not complete (interconnect wiring) but the idea is to have only that one tin and a netbook computer (and external Tx battery when needed).
                          >
                          > Those "large" Altoids type tins look much better when you don't try to drill the thin tin bottom cover and use a nice thick aluminum front panel for mounting everything.
                          >
                          > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                          >
                          > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                          >




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                        • Alan
                          ... From: Kees & Sandy ... This is for Centre frequency operation as in Rocky. If the controller is used as a VFO with a fixed offset, eg 10 KHz, then I
                          Message 13 of 20 , Jun 29 11:37 AM
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                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Kees & Sandy"
                            > I took Sid Boyce's documentation and edited it a little as follows......

                            >* Location "1" (Frequency Offset) needs to be set to "0" for SR.

                            This is for "Centre frequency" operation as in Rocky.
                            If the controller is used as a VFO with a fixed offset, eg 10 KHz, then I
                            presume this can be set to 10KHz.
                            As Christos (PSDR-IQ) says this is a good way to use an SDR, keeping the
                            audio frequency constant minimises phase variations and would enable a band
                            to be tuned from end to end with the controller. The SDR program would be
                            set to receive 10KHz from centre. I may be old fashioned but I don't think
                            you can beat a knob for tuning! (Cue Bob to mention the Griffin Powermate?)
                            Also 10KHz is the IF required for "Dream" DRM reception.

                            73 Alan G4ZFQ
                          • g8voip
                            Alan, Who me :) Nothing like a real knob to twiddle! 73, Bob G8VOI
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                              Alan,

                              Who me :)

                              Nothing like a real knob to twiddle!

                              73, Bob G8VOI


                              --- In softrock40@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <alan4alan@...> wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "Kees & Sandy"
                              > > I took Sid Boyce's documentation and edited it a little as follows......
                              >
                              > >* Location "1" (Frequency Offset) needs to be set to "0" for SR.
                              >
                              > This is for "Centre frequency" operation as in Rocky.
                              > If the controller is used as a VFO with a fixed offset, eg 10 KHz, then I
                              > presume this can be set to 10KHz.
                              > As Christos (PSDR-IQ) says this is a good way to use an SDR, keeping the
                              > audio frequency constant minimises phase variations and would enable a band
                              > to be tuned from end to end with the controller. The SDR program would be
                              > set to receive 10KHz from centre. I may be old fashioned but I don't think
                              > you can beat a knob for tuning! (Cue Bob to mention the Griffin Powermate?)
                              > Also 10KHz is the IF required for "Dream" DRM reception.
                              >
                              > 73 Alan G4ZFQ
                              >
                            • Sid Boyce
                              One issue I forgot to mention is that in addition to using the DPDT switch to select between the UBW and the Si570 Controller, the relevant leads must be
                              Message 15 of 20 , Jun 29 12:26 PM
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                                One issue I forgot to mention is that in addition to using the DPDT
                                switch to select between the UBW and the Si570 Controller, the relevant
                                leads must be plugged into P7 of the 9V1AL BPF Motherboard to effect
                                filter switching. A 4-pole DT switch or electronic equivalent would do
                                just great here.
                                73 ... Sid.

                                Kees & Sandy wrote:
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Tom, Yes you are correct on the 4x statement. I took Sid Boyce's
                                > documentation and edited it a little as follows......
                                >
                                > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                                >
                                > * *
                                >
                                > *http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/Kits/Kits.html*
                                >
                                > The Si570 Controller and Frequency Generator Kit #2 includes a 12 digit
                                > LCD frequency display, a programmed MC9S08QG8 microcontroller, and a
                                > rotary encoder for tuning. For Softrock, it can be used #1) to replace
                                > the regular USB I2C interface to the Si570 mounted on the SoftRock or
                                > #2) you can mount the Si570 chip on the Controller and use the 4x
                                > frequency RF output to drive the SoftRock logic. Here are some further
                                > notes from Sid Boyce <sboyce@...>
                                >
                                > relative to #1:
                                >
                                > * The layout and component placements are shown mirror image, so care
                                > has to be taken when building, making sure you don't get confused about
                                > where parts should be placed and avoid having to remove and resolder.
                                >
                                > * Have a good read of the document from end to end and reference the PCB
                                > as you do so. Additional files and photos under K5BCQ (Kees) folder -
                                > check them out on the SoftRock40 reflector, especially the photos.
                                >
                                > * Solder the PCB pins directly on to the LCD display (see the pdf doc
                                > recommendations for testing before doing so). This ensures the shaft of
                                > the rotary encoder will protrude for easy attachment of a tuning knob
                                > and also form a solid structure that allows the shaft to be pushed
                                > inwards as needed for many operations and setup.
                                >
                                > * You can use either the 3.3V battery box, +5V (R1 not installed,
                                > replaced by a wire) or 13.8V (R1 installed). As cautioned, do not
                                > connect both battery power and an external supply.
                                >
                                > * For connection to the Softrock's Si570, the usual 3 connections need
                                > to be made………
                                >
                                > SDA can be picked up at the space on the board at Si570 (pad7)
                                >
                                > SCL ---------------------------- ditto -------------------------- Si570
                                > (pad 8)
                                >
                                > GND --------------------------- ditto -------------------------- Si570
                                > (pad 3)
                                >
                                > On the SR V6.3 these plug into U6 (PIC) socket in the same way as other
                                > USB controllers, e.g UBW, ATTiny45/85, etc.
                                >
                                > * Band select is provided by outputs on P3 that would select the correct
                                > filters. Filter selections are made from locations 100 up. P3 supplies 3
                                > bits and ground allowing selection of up to 8 bands.
                                >
                                > Memory location 1xx selects "000" on the 3 output pins
                                >
                                > Memory location 2xx selects "001" on the 3 output pins
                                >
                                > Memory location 3xx selects "010" on the 3 output pins
                                >
                                > Memory location 4xx selects "011" on the 3 output pins
                                >
                                > 5xx 100
                                >
                                > 6xx 101
                                >
                                > 7xx 110
                                >
                                > Memory location 8xx selects "111" on the 3 output pins
                                >
                                > This is how Sid Boyce set his up for band switching. Pins 1 and 2 will
                                > switch the 4 RX BPF's. Additional band segments can be inserted, e.g you
                                > could set up more 4xx locations to easily move to other parts of the 10m
                                > band, avoiding the need of always having to tune up from 28.0 Mhz.
                                >
                                > Mem loc Band value P3 pins 1,2,3
                                >
                                > ----------- ------ ------------ ----------------
                                >
                                > 100 160m 1810000 000
                                >
                                > 200 80m 3500000 100 (same BPF used for 40m/80m)
                                >
                                > 201 40m 7000000 100 (same BPF used for 40m/80m)
                                >
                                > 300 30m 10000000 010 (same BPF used for 17m/20m/30m)
                                >
                                > 301 20m 14197000 010 (same BPF used for 17m/20m/30m)
                                >
                                > 302 17m 18068000 010 (same BPF used for 17m/20m/30m)
                                >
                                > 400 15m 21000000 110 (same BPF used for 10m/12m/15m)
                                >
                                > 401 12m 24890000 110 (same BPF used for 10m/12m/15m)
                                >
                                > 402 10m 28000000 110 (same BPF used for 10m/12m/15m)
                                >
                                > P3 output levels 0=0V 1=3.3V
                                >
                                > I have set memory loc. 002 (startup frequency) to 301 so the unit powers
                                > up with 14.197 Mhz as default and loc. 003 set to 2 so the default
                                > decimal point is 2 positions in from the right 141970.00 ("hundreds" Hz).
                                >
                                > Setting up
                                >
                                > ========
                                > * Initialize by pushing and holding in the rotary encoder shaft (switch
                                > is part of the rotary encoder) while powering on. It cycles through
                                > "code date", "micro initialization", "EEPROM reset", and eventually
                                > comes up displaying memory location "20" (default set to 10Mhz).
                                >
                                > * The cursor dot appears to the right of the location, "20." 10000000
                                > Release the push button, rotate the tuning knob to location "0". THIS IS
                                > IMPORTANT ….location "0" will display the default Si570 frequency for
                                > YOUR Si570. The Si570s obtained from Tony Parks, Tom Hoflich, or myself
                                > are all 56.320000Mhz. You might have ordered a 10Mhz part or a xyzMhz
                                > part. Adjustment is done by pushing on the knob while rotating it, you
                                > will see the cursor dot advance across the display, indicating which
                                > digit will roll with the rotary encoder when you stop pushing. Rotate
                                > the knob and move the cursor until the default frequency is correct.
                                > Push in the knob for 3 seconds, the memory changes to location "8" (next
                                > free location) - location "0" value of "Si570 default frequency" is now
                                > saved.
                                >
                                > * A feature of the Si570 Controller is "Dial Lock" mode. If you
                                > momentarily (~1/2sec) push the knob (which you may accidentally do) the
                                > cursor dot will flash indicating "Dial Lock". Pushing it again will
                                > unlock the dial.
                                >
                                > * Location "1" (Frequency Offset) needs to be set to "0" for SR. This is
                                > done by pushing on the knob while rotating it, you will see the dot
                                > advance across the display, when it is to the right most position,
                                > release the switch and rotate the knob until it reads "0". Push in the
                                > knob for 3 seconds, the memory changes to location "8" (next free
                                > location) - location "1" value of "0" is now saved.
                                >
                                > * Rotate the knob to select other memory locations. Location "2" sets
                                > the power-on startup memory location. Location "3" sets the power-on
                                > startup digit position. Location "4" (default set to 1) is the Frequency
                                > Out Multiplier and needs to be set to 4 for SoftRock. Location "5" is
                                > the Frequency Out Divider and needs to be set to 1 for SoftRock (unless
                                > you are doing sub harmonic sampling). Location "6" controls pulses per
                                > digit or Dial Speed. Location "7" sets Dial Rotation Direction.
                                >
                                > * Locations 20-999 are used to save your favorite frequencies. If say
                                > location 21 is set to 3.77MHz, you can tune anywhere in the 80m band for
                                > normal operation, but when you power off/on again, the saved 3.77Mhz
                                > will appear in location 21. In fact, you can tune all the way up and
                                > down across the HF spectrum from one memory location. The incremental
                                > change in frequency depends on where on the frequency readout you place
                                > the dot, e.g if you have 377.000000, the next step up will be to
                                > 378.00000 etc. The Controller frequency can be tuned away from it's set
                                > frequency, allowing tuning up and down the band. The standard programs
                                > PowerSDR-IQ, Rocky, Winrad, etc. work, but the USB setting has to be
                                > changed as you no longer have program control of the Si570. Sid used the
                                > Demo setting with PowerSDR-IQ. The 9V1AL Automatic Switched BPF board
                                > does the bandswitching. It's a little bit more involved than a normal
                                > commercial transceiver, but easy when you get the hang of using it. Sid
                                > has fitted a DPDT switch to the SDA/SCL lines so I can now switch
                                > between the Si570 Controller and the UBW.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > ---------- Original Message ----------
                                > From: Tom Hoflich <km5h@...>
                                > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging
                                > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:36:09 -0700 (PDT)
                                >
                                > Since I posted about using Kees synthesizer a week or so ago, I will
                                > give a little more detail using with Rocky.
                                >
                                > You can save the frequencys that you want in the synthesizers memories.
                                > Then you put the same frequencies in the rocky.ini file.
                                > Then you just match them up and your display show the receive
                                > frequencies correctly.
                                >
                                > Remember that the synthesizer frequency will be 4 times the rocky
                                > frequency(received). But, I think the synthesizer can compenste for
                                > this. Is that right Kees?
                                >
                                > 73, Tom KM5H
                                >
                                >
                                > --- On *Mon, 6/29/09, Kees & Sandy /<windy10605@...>/* wrote:
                                >
                                >
                                > From: Kees & Sandy <windy10605@...>
                                > Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging
                                > To: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
                                > Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 7:49 AM
                                >
                                > Thanks for the nice comments on the Si570 Controller kit. When you
                                > remotely supply the SoftRock frequency there is no connection to the
                                > software.
                                >
                                > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                                >
                                > ---------- Original Message ----------
                                > From: "Tim O'Rourke" <w4yn@...>
                                > To: softrock40@yahoogro ups.com
                                > Subject: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging
                                > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:13:56 -0000
                                >
                                > Kees
                                > I have built your DDS but have never used it with a SR.
                                > How does the program know what frequency you have the controller st at?
                                > BTW nice bit of kit works great as a signal generator!
                                > Tim W4YN
                                > --- In softrock40@yahoogro ups.com, "Kees" <windy10605@. ..> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > I've uploaded some pictures to the photo section, under my call,
                                > of my SR Lite Receiver and one of the SR RxTx units in a relatively
                                > small tin from "Specialty Bottle". The tins measure 3-1/2" x 5-1/2"
                                > x 7/8" and it does fit with cables and extra BPFs ....with a few
                                > minor mods.
                                > >
                                > > The RxTx is not complete (interconnect wiring) but the idea is to
                                > have only that one tin and a netbook computer (and external Tx
                                > battery when needed).
                                > >
                                > > Those "large" Altoids type tins look much better when you don't
                                > try to drill the thin tin bottom cover and use a nice thick aluminum
                                > front panel for mounting everything.
                                > >
                                > > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                                > >
                                > > 73 Kees K5BCQ
                                > >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >

                                --
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                              • Kees & Sandy
                                Alan, Yes, the offset can be set to any frequency, plus or minus. 73 Kees K5BCQ ... From: Alan To:
                                Message 16 of 20 , Jun 29 12:29 PM
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                                  Alan,

                                  Yes, the offset can be set to any frequency, plus or minus.

                                  73 Kees K5BCQ

                                  ---------- Original Message ----------
                                  From: "Alan" <alan4alan@...>
                                  To: <softrock40@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: SoftRock packaging
                                  Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:37:54 -0000



                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: "Kees & Sandy"
                                  > I took Sid Boyce's documentation and edited it a little as follows......

                                  >* Location "1" (Frequency Offset) needs to be set to "0" for SR.

                                  This is for "Centre frequency" operation as in Rocky.
                                  If the controller is used as a VFO with a fixed offset, eg 10 KHz, then I
                                  presume this can be set to 10KHz.
                                  As Christos (PSDR-IQ) says this is a good way to use an SDR, keeping the
                                  audio frequency constant minimises phase variations and would enable a band
                                  to be tuned from end to end with the controller. The SDR program would be
                                  set to receive 10KHz from centre. I may be old fashioned but I don't think
                                  you can beat a knob for tuning! (Cue Bob to mention the Griffin Powermate?)
                                  Also 10KHz is the IF required for "Dream" DRM reception.

                                  73 Alan G4ZFQ



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