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  • Alan
    ... From: Lawrence Galea Subject: [softrock40] networking power line adapters ... they cause. A pressure group UKQRM has been set up and they have a petition
    Message 1 of 6 , May 1, 2009
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      From: "Lawrence Galea"
      Subject: [softrock40] networking power line adapters



      >I've just found this on the RSGB news website re home networking power line
      >adapters and the interference
      they cause. A pressure group UKQRM has been set up and they have a petition
      on
      line at http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SaveShortwave2/

      Thanks Lawrence,

      The most important thing for any British station, Amateur or SWL, is to make
      their complaint known to Ofcom.

      Below, a copy from a UK amateur on the subject

      73 Alan G4ZFQ

      The Ofcom telephone helpline doesnt always acheive any result,
      the paperwork seems to get "lost" in the system.

      Better to use the online complaint form.

      The additional information section allows quite a lot of
      information to be added so our PLT complaints can be
      accomodated OK.

      The online complaint results in a telephone reply the
      same or next working day by someone who will have
      dealt with quite a number of similar complaints.

      Best to have a recording made just in case the QRM
      should go off just before Ofcom investigator visits!

      Have had 4 PLTs removed,one replaced by WiFi the
      others by direct wiring which gives a superior connection
      as well as saving power,about 5 watts per PLT unit.

      A fifth unit went out of use by itself,reason unknown.

      73 Paul G0HNW
    • Lawrence Galea
      02.05.2009 Alan, I read it on the RSGB news and it is important that everyone responds to put pressure on the authorities, other wise they will not take any
      Message 2 of 6 , May 1, 2009
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        02.05.2009

        Alan,
        I read it on the RSGB news and it is important that everyone responds to put pressure on the authorities, other wise they will not take any action.

        A couple of years ago we saved the 10GHz band in Malta from interference because they were going to allocate TV studio - TX site and OB units to Studio links on it, but we got together and they allocated them above 10.5GHz.

        In the case of Malta it was the 10GHz band, but in the case of the network power line adapters the interference will cause disruption of communications on all the HF bands and beyond. So it is very important for every G station to go and to the website and complain to OFCOM.

        Thanks & regards,
        Lawrence
        9H1AV, 9H9MHR

        --- Ven 1/5/09, Alan <alan4alan@...> ha scritto:
        Da: Alan <alan4alan@...>
        Oggetto: Re: [softrock40] networking power line adapters
        A: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
        Data: Venerdì 1 maggio 2009, 20:26


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Lawrence Galea"
        Subject: [softrock40] networking power line adapters

        >I've just found this on the RSGB news website re home networking power line
        >adapters and the interference
        they cause. A pressure group UKQRM has been set up and they have a petition
        on
        line at http://petitions. number10. gov.uk/SaveShort wave2/

        Thanks Lawrence,

        The most important thing for any British station, Amateur or SWL, is to make
        their complaint known to Ofcom.

        Below, a copy from a UK amateur on the subject

        73 Alan G4ZFQ

        The Ofcom telephone helpline doesnt always acheive any result,
        the paperwork seems to get "lost" in the system.

        Better to use the online complaint form.

        The additional information section allows quite a lot of
        information to be added so our PLT complaints can be
        accomodated OK.

        The online complaint results in a telephone reply the
        same or next working day by someone who will have
        dealt with quite a number of similar complaints.

        Best to have a recording made just in case the QRM
        should go off just before Ofcom investigator visits!

        Have had 4 PLTs removed,one replaced by WiFi the
        others by direct wiring which gives a superior connection
        as well as saving power,about 5 watts per PLT unit.

        A fifth unit went out of use by itself,reason unknown.

        73 Paul G0HNW


      • Sid Boyce
        I shall do my bit, but you have to be cynical over here as what the industry wants, the industry gets. So if there is a chance for the power and associated
        Message 3 of 6 , May 2, 2009
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          I shall do my bit, but you have to be cynical over here as what the
          industry wants, the industry gets. So if there is a chance for the power
          and associated companies to make money, we stand as much chance of
          stopping it happening as saving a person from a falling building with
          wet paper towels.
          Shamocracy rules!
          73 ... Sid.

          Lawrence Galea wrote:
          >
          >
          >
          > 02.05.2009
          >
          > Alan,
          > I read it on the RSGB news and it is important that everyone responds to
          > put pressure on the authorities, other wise they will not take any action.
          >
          > A couple of years ago we saved the 10GHz band in Malta from interference
          > because they were going to allocate TV studio - TX site and OB units to
          > Studio links on it, but we got together and they allocated them above
          > 10.5GHz.
          >
          > In the case of Malta it was the 10GHz band, but in the case of the
          > network power line adapters the interference will cause disruption of
          > communications on all the HF bands and beyond. So it is very important
          > for every G station to go and to the website and complain to OFCOM.
          >
          > Thanks & regards,
          > Lawrence
          > 9H1AV, 9H9MHR
          >
          > --- *Ven 1/5/09, Alan /<alan4alan@...>/* ha scritto:
          >
          > Da: Alan <alan4alan@...>
          > Oggetto: Re: [softrock40] networking power line adapters
          > A: softrock40@yahoogroups.com
          > Data: Venerdì 1 maggio 2009, 20:26
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "Lawrence Galea"
          > Subject: [softrock40] networking power line adapters
          >
          > >I've just found this on the RSGB news website re home networking
          > power line
          > >adapters and the interference
          > they cause. A pressure group UKQRM has been set up and they have a
          > petition
          > on
          > line at http://petitions. number10. gov.uk/SaveShort wave2/
          > <http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SaveShortwave2/>
          >
          > Thanks Lawrence,
          >
          > The most important thing for any British station, Amateur or SWL, is
          > to make
          > their complaint known to Ofcom.
          >
          > Below, a copy from a UK amateur on the subject
          >
          > 73 Alan G4ZFQ
          >
          > The Ofcom telephone helpline doesnt always acheive any result,
          > the paperwork seems to get "lost" in the system.
          >
          > Better to use the online complaint form.
          >
          > The additional information section allows quite a lot of
          > information to be added so our PLT complaints can be
          > accomodated OK.
          >
          > The online complaint results in a telephone reply the
          > same or next working day by someone who will have
          > dealt with quite a number of similar complaints.
          >
          > Best to have a recording made just in case the QRM
          > should go off just before Ofcom investigator visits!
          >
          > Have had 4 PLTs removed,one replaced by WiFi the
          > others by direct wiring which gives a superior connection
          > as well as saving power,about 5 watts per PLT unit.
          >
          > A fifth unit went out of use by itself,reason unknown.
          >
          > 73 Paul G0HNW
          >
          >

          --
          Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
          Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
          Specialist, Cricket Coach
          Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
        • Clive Lorton
          ... There was another similar petition see for Number 10 s responce. http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page19025. I ll make no comment on it. Just judge for your
          Message 4 of 6 , May 2, 2009
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            Sid Boyce wrote:
            > I shall do my bit, but you have to be cynical over here as what the
            > industry wants, the industry gets. So if there is a chance for the power
            > and associated companies to make money, we stand as much chance of
            > stopping it happening as saving a person from a falling building with
            > wet paper towels.
            > Shamocracy rules!
            > 73 ... Sid.
            There was another similar petition see for Number 10's responce.
            http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page19025.

            I'll make no comment on it. Just judge for your self.

            73 Clive G8POC
          • Sid Boyce
            ... Thanks for the pointer - I m not aware of any manufacturer or importer being subjected to the kind of EMC scrutiny as has long been established by Deutche
            Message 5 of 6 , May 2, 2009
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              Clive Lorton wrote:
              >
              >
              >
              > Sid Boyce wrote:
              >> I shall do my bit, but you have to be cynical over here as what the
              >> industry wants, the industry gets. So if there is a chance for the power
              >> and associated companies to make money, we stand as much chance of
              >> stopping it happening as saving a person from a falling building with
              >> wet paper towels.
              >> Shamocracy rules!
              >> 73 ... Sid.
              > There was another similar petition see for Number 10's responce.
              > http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page19025.
              > <http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page19025.>
              >
              > I'll make no comment on it. Just judge for your self.
              >
              > 73 Clive G8POC
              >
              Thanks for the pointer - I'm not aware of any manufacturer or importer
              being subjected to the kind of EMC scrutiny as has long been established
              by Deutche PTT e.g. As a matter of fact where UK entities asked for EMC
              specs, we always supplied the document produced by Deutche PTT testers
              who certified our products at source before they were allowed into Germany.
              When I first started using a BBC Micro in its UK plastic livery for
              RTTY, the noise generated was incredible and I had to had to coat the
              inside of the case with aluminium foil and graphite to quieten it to a
              reasonable level + some ferrites on cables.
              My local supplier then opened up a BBC Micro built for the German
              market, it was as if it was made to be bomb proof and many times heavier
              than our specimens.
              Even with PC's in metal cases, I found my Spectrum Analyser module is
              useless for other than connecting directly to a TX output via a switched
              attenuator box.
              73 ... Sid.
              --
              Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot
              Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
              Specialist, Cricket Coach
              Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
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