## Re: The Outer Limits

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• Wow, that s wonderful news, Bob. I have been eyeballing the I and Q signals this morning, and I can t make heads nor tails of them :-) So it s back to the
Message 1 of 9 , Apr 1, 2008
Wow, that's wonderful news, Bob. I have been eyeballing the I and Q
signals this morning, and I can't make heads nor tails of them :-) So
it's back to the theory :-) Somehow I've got to understand this
mathematically. Looking at them doesn't make any sense. But I'm having
fun and the chase is on. We may well prove here that 16 bits and 40 MIPS
is fast enough or NOT. That would be fine with me. All along people have
been saying we need more horsepower. I don't doubt that at all. So
that's the first question to answer :-)

Bob Hillard wrote:
> John,
>
> Do you remember that TV show from the nifty fiftys?
>
> Well I added another digit to the left tonight, and now I can hear the
> oscillator on my 70cm rig. In fact, I ran it up as high as 500 mHz,
> and could read it on my counter. Tomorrow I'll see just how high I can
> get it. Maybe I can make it to the Outer Limits!!
>
> Bob

--
Regards,
John

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• ... And if that doesn t have enough power and you like PIC s there is the PIC32, 32 bits MIPS based and really inexpensive and low power. A really nice
Message 2 of 9 , Apr 1, 2008
At 08:14 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

>Wow, that's wonderful news, Bob. I have been eyeballing the I and Q
>signals this morning, and I can't make heads nor tails of them :-) So
>it's back to the theory :-) Somehow I've got to understand this
>mathematically. Looking at them doesn't make any sense. But I'm having
>fun and the chase is on. We may well prove here that 16 bits and 40 MIPS
>is fast enough or NOT. That would be fine with me. All along people have
>been saying we need more horsepower. I don't doubt that at all. So
>that's the first question to answer :-)
>
>--
>Regards,
>John

And if that doesn't have enough power and you like PIC's there is the
PIC32, 32 bits MIPS based and really inexpensive and low power. A
really nice development board is only \$49.

Cecil
K5NWA

"Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light."
• Cecil; If you are thinking of a next buy, could you perhaps add the connector for the small development board to the buy. It is hard to come by (didn t find it
Message 3 of 9 , Apr 1, 2008
Cecil;

If you are thinking of a next buy, could you perhaps add the connector for the small development board to the buy.
It is hard to come by (didn't find it yet in europe for a fair price), and if we buy 10 in the US it already gets cheaper.

Microchip still has no extender, tough it is rumored to be available very soon now...

Greets,
Paul

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:49 PM, k5nwa <k5nwa@...> wrote:

At 08:14 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

>Wow, that's wonderful news, Bob. I have been eyeballing the I and Q
>signals this morning, and I can't make heads nor tails of them :-) So
>it's back to the theory :-) Somehow I've got to understand this
>mathematically. Looking at them doesn't make any sense. But I'm having
>fun and the chase is on. We may well prove here that 16 bits and 40 MIPS
>is fast enough or NOT. That would be fine with me. All along people have
>been saying we need more horsepower. I don't doubt that at all. So
>that's the first question to answer :-)
>
>--
>Regards,
>John

And if that doesn't have enough power and you like PIC's there is the
PIC32, 32 bits MIPS based and really inexpensive and low power. A
really nice development board is only \$49.

Cecil
K5NWA

"Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light."

• Yes, indeed, I have one thanks to John Massa our Microchip consultant. Microchip has been very supportive of our Amateur Radio efforts here in Austin. They
Message 4 of 9 , Apr 1, 2008
Yes, indeed, I have one thanks to John Massa our Microchip consultant.
Microchip has been very supportive of our Amateur Radio efforts here in
Austin. They have provided 3 hockey pucks for the SDR development and
the NUE-PSK development. I'm definitely eyeballing the PIC32 and I
understand from the forum that the Fanout board for that tight connector
is coming soon :-) The PIC32 A/D is 10 bits though. I'm also eyeballing
the AVR xmega and 32 bit chips. I have also been exploring all the ARM
varieties. Those tools can be expensive though. It's a tough call but it
must be cheap, have debugging, and a reasonable (GCC) compiler. All of
that exists, but it's a slow learning curve for me at 61. However that's
why I keep bugging the lists to hopefully get some new young whipper
snapper's interested :-) Thanks for letting me rant :-)

k5nwa wrote:
>
> At 08:14 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote:
>
>
>
> And if that doesn't have enough power and you like PIC's there is the
> PIC32, 32 bits MIPS based and really inexpensive and low power. A
> really nice development board is only \$49.
>
> Cecil
> K5NWA
>
> "Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light."
>
>

--
Regards,
John

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• ... I ll save it and will consider it if there is sufficient demand. What kind of connector is it? A Rose connector to an expansion board? I bought a Pic32
Message 5 of 9 , Apr 1, 2008
At 08:52 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

>Cecil;
>
>If you are thinking of a next buy, could you perhaps add the
>connector for the small development board to the buy.
>It is hard to come by (didn't find it yet in europe for a fair
>price), and if we buy 10 in the US it already gets cheaper.
>Greets,
>Paul

I'll save it and will consider it if there is sufficient demand. What
kind of connector is it? A Rose connector to an expansion board? I
bought a Pic32 development board but it's put away until I have time
to play with it, it has a lot of resources on the board good for some
DSP experiments.

Keeping track of all the items on order is a real pain that is why I
only did items with high volume, but I'm taking steps to facilitate
that process so possibly I could add items that have only a small volume.

Cecil
K5NWA

"Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light."
• The expansion connector on the pic32 starter kit is a hirose FX10A-120P/12-SV1. It s mating connector is FX10B-120S/12-SV. Digikey s part # for it is
Message 6 of 9 , Apr 1, 2008
The expansion connector on the pic32 starter kit is a hirose FX10A-120P/12-SV1.
It's mating connector is FX10B-120S/12-SV.
Digikey's part # for it is H11238-ND.

Found on: http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=321571

And also, don't forget to upgrade the pic32 to 80Mhz: http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=318952 (there is also official code somewhere on the microchip site).

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 4:37 PM, k5nwa <k5nwa@...> wrote:

At 08:52 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

>Cecil;
>
>If you are thinking of a next buy, could you perhaps add the
>connector for the small development board to the buy.
>It is hard to come by (didn't find it yet in europe for a fair
>price), and if we buy 10 in the US it already gets cheaper.
>Greets,
>Paul

I'll save it and will consider it if there is sufficient demand. What
kind of connector is it? A Rose connector to an expansion board? I
bought a Pic32 development board but it's put away until I have time
to play with it, it has a lot of resources on the board good for some
DSP experiments.

Keeping track of all the items on order is a real pain that is why I
only did items with high volume, but I'm taking steps to facilitate
that process so possibly I could add items that have only a small volume.

Cecil
K5NWA

"Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light."

• ... Too bad Mouser doesn t carry it, I m not a fan of DigiKey, they charge sales tax (9.5%) even though they don t have an office in my state and city, I tend
Message 7 of 9 , Apr 1, 2008
At 10:10 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

The expansion connector on the pic32 starter kit is a hirose FX10A-120P/12-SV1.
It's mating connector is FX10B-120S/12-SV.
Digikey's part # for it is H11238-ND.

Found on: http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=321571

And also, don't forget to upgrade the pic32 to 80Mhz: http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=318952 (there is also official code somewhere on the microchip
site).

Too bad Mouser doesn't carry it, I'm not a fan of DigiKey, they charge sales tax (9.5%) even though they don't have an office in my state and city, I tend to think they pocket the money so you end up paying a lot higher prices.

I always thought it would be an interesting exercise to contact the revenue office and see if DigiKey is paying them money, if they are not then it's criminal tax fraud, and they don't take kindly with people that withhold their tax revenue. I bought some boards from Altera and they wanted to charge me State sales tax, so I told them that I was going to check with the State Revenue office to make sure they were paying the collected taxes, the same day I received an email from one of their upper level managers that it was a mistake and the tax came off. You wonder how many people were ripped off.

Cecil
K5NWA

"Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light."

• Dear fellow hams, What is all this stuff about a PIC32? I know it is a microcontroller and I found the website and I know you can buy it for \$32 which is
Message 8 of 9 , Apr 1, 2008
Dear fellow hams,
What is all this stuff about a PIC32?
I know it is a microcontroller and I found the website and I know you
can buy it for \$32 which is attractive for me.
But what can I do with it in relation with the softrock40 program?
And what is already achieved in relation with that?

One other topic: Please can you arrange a splinter Internet meeting to
discuss which operating system is the best?
I think there are enough fora where everyone can drop his knowledge

Have fun, Henk, PA0KEP.
• ... I think that you are right about sales tax. I have to fight Avnet on every order. According to the State of Oklahoma tax website, the sales tax for my
Message 9 of 9 , Apr 1, 2008
--- k5nwa <k5nwa@...> wrote:

> At 10:10 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote:
>
> >The expansion connector on the pic32 starter kit is a hirose
> >FX10A-120P/12-SV1.
> >It's mating connector is FX10B-120S/12-SV.
> >Digikey's part # for it is H11238-ND.
> >
> >Found on:
>
><http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=321571>http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=321571
> >
> >And also, don't forget to upgrade the pic32 to 80Mhz:
>
><http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=318952>http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=318952
>
> >(there is also official code somewhere on the microchip
> >site).
>
> Too bad Mouser doesn't carry it, I'm not a fan of DigiKey, they
> charge sales tax (9.5%) even though they don't have an office in my
>
> state and city, I tend to think they pocket the money so you end up
>
> paying a lot higher prices.
>
> I always thought it would be an interesting exercise to contact the
>
> revenue office and see if DigiKey is paying them money, if they are
>
> not then it's criminal tax fraud, and they don't take kindly with
> people that withhold their tax revenue. I bought some boards from
> Altera and they wanted to charge me State sales tax, so I told them
>
> that I was going to check with the State Revenue office to make
> sure
> they were paying the collected taxes, the same day I received an
> email from one of their upper level managers that it was a mistake
> and the tax came off. You wonder how many people were ripped off.
>
>
>
> Cecil
> K5NWA

I think that you are right about sales tax. I have to fight Avnet on
every order. According to the State of Oklahoma tax website, the
sales tax for my zip code is 5.4%. They insist on charging me 9%
which is for town in another county. I think that they use the
highest tax in each 5 digit zip code. If it is less, they pocket the
difference.
If I don't get the difference back, I lose money.
Maybe, I should suggest that I am contacting the state and see if
their toon changes.

Tom KM5H
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