Fwd: [soaplite] State of the SOAP
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From: Charlie Bowman <charlesmbowman@...>
Date: Jan 19, 2007 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [soaplite] State of the SOAP
To: Byrne Reese <byrne@...>
I think you are completely correct. S::L is a real beast to work with, even to the point where most questions on this list can't be answered. I also agree that a new wsdl parser is a must. I would love to help out in any way with this project. I'm also at a loss on where to begin. If we keep things similar to the current S::L, the wsdl parser will output a file that's used to create Soap::Data objects. Is this the direction you're leaning? I think you won't have a hard time finding people who are willing to help with this project, and that's a great thing! :)On 1/16/07, Byrne Reese < byrne@...> wrote:
And a slightly edited version has been posted to the SOAP::Lite blog:
Chris McMahon wrote:
> I posted this to perlmonks:
> On 1/15/07, *Byrne Reese* < byrne@...
> <mailto:byrne@...>> wrote:
> I do actively follow the group. I rarely have time to respond however
> between work, a kid, and a number of other projects I am actively
> engaged in.
> I tend to develop SOAP::Lite in bursts when need and opportunity
> converge and I have a god chunk of time to work with.
> As with any open source project, it is always looking for help and
> looking for members from the community to take the initiative to
> contribute (some have, and I should go back and incorporate some of
> their patches).
> I could write a State of the SOAP address to give the community a
> of what's up... if I did, it would go something like this:
> The SOAP protocol is still in wide use today as it has become
> native to
> so many development platforms.SOAP itself has also become an
> stable protocol. The WS-* Wars of the early millenium seem to have
> down, and the few truly useful extensions to SOAP have been
> selected by
> the market.
> Most SOAP toolkits as well have stablized along with the protocol.
> Relatively speaking, the status of this SOAP toolkit is fair to good.
> SOAP::Lite works with the majority of endpoints, but has a number of
> interoperability issues with more modern implementations of SOAP
> and clients. The task of keeping SOAP::Lite up to date is a difficult
> one. The source code is notoriously complex, a mark of the ingenious
> Paul who created SOAP:Lite, and as a result baffles most
> Perl programmers, and indeed may even frighten them off. I myself am
> given the highest respect in my office for signing up to maintain the
> module - I work with some of the brightest and most experienced Perl
> programmers in the industry and they all look at SOAP::Lite in awe.
> But I am not trying to inflate my ego, I am trying to set the
> stage for
> what should be next for Perl's only SOAP toolkit.
> If SOAP::Lite as a project is to attract more contributing
> authors, it
> is essential that the SOAP::Lite code base become easier to work
> SOAP::Lite could benefit a great deal from shedding a lot of the code
> written before the protocol had really matured, before the era of the
> WS-i, before a time where other toolkits and servers had agreed
> upon and
> embraced a set of best practices. SOAP::Lite should shift to become
> document-driven, as opposed to RPC driven.
> SOAP::Lite needs a re-write. SOAP::Lite needs to live up to its
> name of
> "Lite." SOAP::Lite should be built from the ground up to conform
> to the
> WS-i's requirements. It should be built first and foremost around a
> wicked WSDL parser and engine. It should be made more modular so that
> its components can be more easily swapped out for newer and better
> implementations without disrupting users and developers. It should
> advantage of the number of perl modules that have evolved since
> SOAP::Lite was conceived to reduce code complexity and obscurity.
> SOAP::Lite needs your help. SOAP::Lite needs a group of 2-3
> people to take a fresh look at this critical toolkit for Perl
> and to usher into a new age of utilization, community growth,
> usage, and
> Undertaking a project like this is not a trivial task. It requires
> months and months of dedicated time and attention. And then it
> must also
> be supported and maintained.
> This project would not start from ground zero. There is a vision
> and a
> plethora of tried and true code already within SOAP::Lite that
> be needlessly thrown away. What we endeavor to do is make SOAP::Lite
> easier to grok and easier to work with. What we hope to create is
> a new
> module, called SOAP::Easy.
> Byrne Reese
> Lead Developer and Maintainer, SOAP::Lite